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You mean potencies? Overpower 5, Butcher 4 (Fatality 4 works too) for the katana. IW will get harder the more rounds you go so lower the difficulty as otherwise it will be too hard to clear at that level, particularly if you have to use crappy gear to IW your better stuff. If your weapon is not of sufficient quality (aka legendary) you might not wanna invest that much into the Item World for the item besides getting the Hollowforge status at level 10 with whatever potencies you manage to get. And if it gets too obnoxious to get to that point might wanna consider using a simple IW service from whoever offers that.
If you engage in person to person purchases a lot, you know with CoDs and such then Postage Paid, otherwise Vigorous Vitality and Dæmon Duality I might prove useful. Proficiency 10%+ perks only if you have a mage set, and if that's the case then Enigma Energizer might be ok too.
Don't bother with exp boosting perks until you have finished the training, and avoid Soul Catcher like the plague if you do more than a couple REs a day. Everything else is a case by case basis and if you need it you will know when it's time - want to unlock monsters faster because it's slow and takes hundreds per monster? Tokenizer, struggling with mana? Effluent Ether and Innate Arcana, have a thousand sets to forge and you do your own IWs or offer IW service yourself? Dark Descent and Coupon Clipper, etc.

Thanks for the advice, just tried Nintendo IW on the weapon and I barely survived.
Also my dumb ass saw soulbound can get X2 IW exp so I went for it, completely forgetting the IW service.

Oh and does the Overpower 5, Butcher 4/Fatality 4 works for the Wakizashi too?

Thanks for the advice, just tried Nintendo IW on the weapon and I barely survived.
Also my dumb ass saw soulbound can get X2 IW exp so I went for it, completely forgetting the IW service.

Oh and does the Overpower 5, Butcher 4/Fatality 4 works for the Wakizashi too?

absolutely. Overpower 5 is essential, but/fat is nice to have.

L100 you mean the 35 rounds one? Half an hour?
If so, my man, just sell hath for credits and look for better equipment, decent one-handed builds can clear that in 3 minutes maybe even less, getting hath perks should be last thing to think about at this point tbh
Just some decent power armor (no need to look for slaughter tbh bc those are more expensive, protections will be alright, maybe some balance to boost attack accuracy) , shortsword for arenas up to 75 rounds / rapier for 80+ rounds arenas, force shield/buckler of barrier, and you are good to go.

That sounds optimistic to me. It largely depends on your turns per second.

I just tried on pfudor Isekai at level 307 using exquisite rapier (forged 15, IW10) and force shield (forged 10), mag shielding cuirass (forged 5), and unforged mag power armor for the rest. It took almost 9 minutes. I then tried on persistent (I'm level 500, DDVIII) using mostly unforged legendaries (a few to 5), and it took about 4.5 minutes. For comparison, it takes me about 1.5 minutes using fully forged mage gear.

I'm doing about 1tps on REs, it's an ok system but I haven't really tried optimizing or anything and most of the RAM is going to torrenting
be it 10mins or 3 though this tells me my equipment is kinda crap and that deserves more attention than Hath perks
I haven't tried upgrading or item world yet and all the equipment I'm using is from drops while playing, at exquisite quality. Should I be aiming for better quality (seems like not really)? Currently on a waki of balance and all plate armor, I got a shortsword of slaughter I'm considering trying.

What does a decent set of 1H heavy equipment look like and how much should I expect to spend? Questions seems a bit dumb but in this game level 150 is noob territory and "wont sell for much" means 5-10m so my assumptions/perceptions are probably way off.

be it 10mins or 3 though this tells me my equipment is kinda crap and that deserves more attention than Hath perks
I haven't tried upgrading or item world yet and all the equipment I'm using is from drops while playing, at exquisite quality. Should I be aiming for better quality (seems like not really)? Currently on a waki of balance and all plate armor, I got a shortsword of slaughter I'm considering trying.

What does a decent set of 1H heavy equipment look like and how much should I expect to spend? Questions seems a bit dumb but in this game level 150 is noob territory and "wont sell for much" means 5-10m so my assumptions/perceptions are probably way off.

Yes, using a wakizashi of balance with plate armor results in pretty low attack damage - a shortsword is a good step in the right direction, and in the future, you'd ideally aim to replace the plate pieces with power gear.

The price for that is not really the problem so much as a lack of supply for low level equipment There's a few reasons for that - few committed new players, new players don't spend much battle time at low levels before moving up, and new players aren't experienced with evaluating their drops yet.

In my opinion you could upgrade to any prefix, any suffix power armor for less than 1m total & it sounds like you've already found a better weapon to try out. Forging it a bit & item-world level 10 on that will likely make a noticeable difference to your clear times. (& about forging - I personally recommend not thinking too hard about the 'right' equipment & think it's better to commit early to something good-enough, then upgrade in the far future when you're looking mostly at upgrades in the higher price ranges.)

This post has been edited by Nezu: Nov 16 2023, 18:38

Sounds like there isn't a "get this first" anymore... I saw a couple of mentions of Innate Arcana being important in the wiki but I think its been reworked since then?

Kinda thinking of getting Tokenizer but I'm only at 10 tokens for my next unlock haha

Right now mostly doing RE because even the L100 arena takes like half an hour of time...
Haven't tried P2P transactions yet but maybe I should now that I've discovered one of my legendary drops is valuable

I'm doing about 1tps on REs, it's an ok system but I haven't really tried optimizing or anything and most of the RAM is going to torrenting
be it 10mins or 3 though this tells me my equipment is kinda crap and that deserves more attention than Hath perks
I haven't tried upgrading or item world yet and all the equipment I'm using is from drops while playing, at exquisite quality. Should I be aiming for better quality (seems like not really)? Currently on a waki of balance and all plate armor, I got a shortsword of slaughter I'm considering trying.

What does a decent set of 1H heavy equipment look like and how much should I expect to spend? Questions seems a bit dumb but in this game level 150 is noob territory and "wont sell for much" means 5-10m so my assumptions/perceptions are probably way off.

Yeah, not only Innate Arcana was tweaked but there was a price increase for some perks recently so while in the past I would go "get PP, VV, IA1-3, Enigma and Ether" and you could get all of that with 1000 hath I wouldn't be able to recommend such a course of acton now with the new perk pricing and how IA works now. Tokenizer definitely not recommended if only at 10 chaos per monster then, but if you partake in auctions as a seller then for sure consider Postage Paid, particularly with highly valuable items.

If connection is slow maybe try alt HV? Alternatively using Monsterbation should help if you're clicking like mad. Torrents shouldn't be causing too much disturbance if at all so probably other ways to speed up the tps first. If you do manage to speed up your play though (like 2tps at least) definitely try beating the last arenas, first practice surviving on the lvl 250 one at max difficulty and if you can survive that try to beat DwD at least once for the guaranteed Magnificent drop, because if you're in all exquisites that's a good way to move out of them into a better tier of gear, but it could be incredibly slow hence the desire for more speed. In any case it's like Nezu says and it shouldn't be too expensive to move into better gears, just pay attention to the market to see if level is ok so you can use them and focus on getting an IW10 weapon.
And as for a decent set, uhhh dunno at that level but you could just focus on small goals at a time and try to outgear isekai jantch for a start (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Thanks for the advice, just tried Nintendo IW on the weapon and I barely survived.
Also my dumb ass saw soulbound can get X2 IW exp so I went for it, completely forgetting the IW service.

Oh and does the Overpower 5, Butcher 4/Fatality 4 works for the Wakizashi too?

Oh yeah that tends to happen, the soulfuse thing coupled with ending up trapped in a cycle where you have to painfully clear IW over several painful runs. Depending on your stamina, gear and play time it might be better to take extra runs at low difficulty instead of highly risky, long and tedious ones at high diff if you're "trapped".
As for the waki I would recommend OP5 and Fatality 4 as whatever damage you get from Butcher will be neutered by the offhand penalty. There's a case to be made for Swift Strike but you would probably need other speed pieces and a rough idea of what sort of speed you want to achieve or test but even then it's not that big of a defense boost so might as well focus on Fat4 as a secondary potency.

Is counter-parry/counter-resist additive or multiplicative? (e.g. if a monster has 10% parry and you have 20% counter-parry, does it parry ~8% of the time, or 0% of the time?)

Is counter-parry/counter-resist additive or multiplicative? (e.g. if a monster has 10% parry and you have 20% counter-parry, does it parry ~8% of the time, or 0% of the time?)

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Damage#Anti-Avoidance

A target with 20% evade will have effective 15% evade against an attacker with 25% anti-evade.

Does equipment that was salvaged and bought back before the legendary cores patch, have the 'previously salvaged' flag?

Does equipment that was salvaged and bought back before the legendary cores patch, have the 'previously salvaged' flag?

The way I understood it: Yes. HV was recording 'has been salvaged' already before that patch. The flag already existed. Iirc we didn't get HGC twice from re-salvage? But in any case it was an existing feature. What changed (in a later patch than introduction of cores) is that the flag carries over from Isekai to Persistent.

I usually only really play actively for a couple months at a time, and in between I'll just collect my dawn rewards, monster gifts, and click the feed and drug buttons. Takes at most 2 minutes. Just stock up on food/happy pills (or use crystals if you prefer).

Monster names don't really matter much. It takes a big investment for a monster to even appear in most people's battles (PL1500+ or maybe even 1600+ nowadays, so at least 500 crystal packs or about 10m credits worth).

Thanks for the tips. But a couple more questions.

1. Is it more economical to make monsters or sell owned crystals and food? The Wiki advices to sell them, but they have disclaimer of outdated info. Meanwhile, a friend with similar progress to me and "7 monster (avg lv50)" has a "total earning 49 gifts and 439.1k credits", which sounds like massive returns, and it feels bad to leave the chaos tokens hanging.

2. Not related to monster lab but to mage build. Say I have 2 staffs, one with matching prefix and "Destruction" (150 more damage), the other with matching prefix and suffix (30% higher multiplier). Since the formula for spell damage is just multiplicative, and with everything else equal, I thought I can compare their DPS with the magic base damage and multiplier like this:
Destruction: 1415 base * (1 + 96.8%) multiplier = 2785
Match suffix: 1269 base * (1 + 130.9%) multiplier = 2930

Which means the one with matching suffix is better. Did I come to the correct conclusion or are there factors that I overlooked?

This post has been edited by firzein: Nov 18 2023, 13:26

Thanks for the tips. But a couple more questions.

1. Is it more economical to make monsters or sell owned crystals and food? The Wiki advices to sell them, but they have disclaimer of outdated info. Meanwhile, a friend with similar progress to me and "7 monster (avg lv50)" has a "total earning 49 gifts and 439.1k credits", which sounds like massive returns, and it feels bad to leave the chaos tokens hanging.

You should make as many monsters as possible - the conversion of food & pills into materials is profitable on average. In the short term, this is heavily RNG-based: 1 Crystallized Phazon gets you ~200k, 1 Defense Matrix Modular gets you about 5k. Monsters do not need to be levelled up past 25 to yield bindings or rare-type materials.

As for selling crystals... some players use them to save happy pills, by slowly levelling monsters to restore morale. There is not really much difference in monster activity until PL1600+. You could use that to inform your decision based on your activity level and income.

2. Not related to monster lab but to mage build. Say I have 2 staffs, one with matching prefix and "Destruction" (150 more damage), the other with matching prefix and suffix (30% higher multiplier). Since the formula for spell damage is just multiplicative, and with everything else equal, I thought I can compare their DPS with the magic base damage and multiplier like this:
Destruction: 1415 base * (1 + 96.8%) multiplier = 2785
Match suffix: 1269 base * (1 + 130.9%) multiplier = 2930

Which means the one with matching suffix is better. Did I come to the correct conclusion or are there factors that I overlooked?

As long as you consider your EDB/MDB from other sources, yeah, depending on your current gear, the EDB suffix could be more valuable for you. In most cases - redwood vs redwood - they will perform vaguely similarly, as do the proficiency-related suffixes with other gear choices adjusted to compensate.

This post has been edited by Nezu: Nov 18 2023, 13:46

2. Not related to monster lab but to mage build. Say I have 2 staffs, one with matching prefix and "Destruction" (150 more damage), the other with matching prefix and suffix (30% higher multiplier). Since the formula for spell damage is just multiplicative, and with everything else equal, I thought I can compare their DPS with the magic base damage and multiplier like this:
Destruction: 1415 base * (1 + 96.8%) multiplier = 2785
Match suffix: 1269 base * (1 + 130.9%) multiplier = 2930

Which means the one with matching suffix is better. Did I come to the correct conclusion or are there factors that I overlooked?

You forgot to include original stats you have without staff, from PABs and phase cloth.
Here is example with my default stats and 2 staffs (used fully forged scaled to my lvl(434) option via live percentile ranges script)
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/269116128/59759f55c4 peerless arctic redwood destruction
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/191706587/6251a779da peerless arctic redwood niflheim
Stats before staff: 2516 mdb 225.2 edb

destruction
+1723.7 mdb +92.8 edb
(2516+1723.7)x(1+2.252+0.928)=17721.946

niflheim
+1061.5 mdb +162 edb
(2516+1061.5)x(1+2.252+1.62)=17429.58

Destruction wins, but by a tiny amount (2%)

This post has been edited by uchimatan: Nov 18 2023, 14:03

That sounds optimistic to me. It largely depends on your turns per second.

I just tried on pfudor Isekai at level 307 using exquisite rapier (forged 15, IW10) and force shield (forged 10), mag shielding cuirass (forged 5), and unforged mag power armor for the rest. It took almost 9 minutes. I then tried on persistent (I'm level 500, DDVIII) using mostly unforged legendaries (a few to 5), and it took about 4.5 minutes. For comparison, it takes me about 1.5 minutes using fully forged mage gear.

If anyone cares, I hit level 310 in isekai, which allowed me to

1. spam imperil
2. switch to a mag force shield, increasing my block by 4.9%
3. switch to a new helmet, increasing my damage by about 100

This cut my time by over 2 minutes, from 8 minutes 52 seconds to 6 minutes 46 seconds.

You should make as many monsters as possible - the conversion of food & pills into materials is profitable on average. In the short term, this is heavily RNG-based: 1 Crystallized Phazon gets you ~200k, 1 Defense Matrix Modular gets you about 5k. Monsters do not need to be levelled up past 25 to yield bindings or rare-type materials.

As for selling crystals... some players use them to save happy pills, by slowly levelling monsters to restore morale. There is not really much difference in monster activity until PL1600+. You could use that to inform your decision based on your activity level and income.

Alright then, long-term is fine, time to make monsters.

As long as you consider your EDB/MDB from other sources, yeah, depending on your current gear, the EDB suffix could be more valuable for you. In most cases - redwood vs redwood - they will perform vaguely similarly, as do the proficiency-related suffixes with other gear choices adjusted to compensate.

You forgot to include original stats you have without staff, from PABs and phase cloth.

Oh those mdb and edb I mentioned are all-inclusive. Basically I fully geared and slot abilities, then look at the stats on the right. Switch the staff, check the right again. Yeah numbers are low, I mean I'm still 232 and the gears are base. That should do it right?

And actually, the matching suffix staff is a redwood, while destruction is willow. I keep reading that willow is better, but I'm not sure why, and the redwood is magnificent while the willow is exquisite. Is the lower willow quality still better than redwood?

Here is example with my default stats and 2 staffs (used fully forged scaled to my lvl(434) option via live percentile ranges script)
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/269116128/59759f55c4 peerless arctic redwood destruction
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/191706587/6251a779da peerless arctic redwood niflheim
Stats before staff: 2516 mdb 225.2 edb

destruction
+1723.7 mdb +92.8 edb
(2516+1723.7)x(1+2.252+0.928)=17721.946

niflheim
+1061.5 mdb +162 edb
(2516+1061.5)x(1+2.252+1.62)=17429.58

Destruction wins, but by a tiny amount (2%)

Well, to complete the numbers on my side, my base mdb is ~1010, and I have edb of from my other gears at ~63%

destruction
+ 404.6 mdb +33.8 edb

suffix
+ 258.4 mdb +67.7 edb

Which leads to the calculation in my previous post:
Destruction: 1415 base * (1 + 96.8%) multiplier = 2785
Match suffix: 1269 base * (1 + 130.9%) multiplier = 2930

Thus in my case matching suffix is apparently better by just ~5%

And actually, the matching suffix staff is a redwood, while destruction is willow. I keep reading that willow is better, but I'm not sure why, and the redwood is magnificent while the willow is exquisite. Is the lower willow quality still better than redwood?

Willow has built-in counter-resist and really high deprecating proficiency unlike redwood, so it's better at successfully landing imperils and damaging spells overall. However, it has lower default elemental proficiency (which means you will need more proficiency on clothes), doesn't have default fire/cold edb, and no supportive proficiency (regen/arcane focus will last a bit less turns, but that's not a big deal honestly).
Which of them is better - would say depends on element tbh, if wind/elec - willow 100% wins, if fire/cold - debatable, for pfests/high round IWs willow would be better because they don't have high health targets, but faster landing imperils will allow to oneshot them all earlier, in arenas where survival aspect is not as relevant as in last rounds of fests/IW redwood is a solid pick.

no detail data from me now, I'd just say the redwood/willow of destruction/edb/elementalist suffix doesn't really make that offensive difference in arena, at least not when you're not with top-end and high-forged build.
the main difference is the building cost. I remember that I used to make calculation and the elementalist staff have the highest stats —— with 5 full-forged peerless radiant phase I mean. To making a normal mage set, a destruction staff can works well with any plain 3 phase + 2 cotton or 4 phase + 1 cotton, —— usually ppl use the charged one which increase your defensive. But for edb suffix staff it need the radiant phase, and for elementalist staff it need 5 radiant phase to make good stats. The forge cost of phase is significantly higher than the cotton, and for radiant is even higher. Also the radiant and redwood works shit in GF because lower defensive, that means if you want to play GF then you have to make another set, that's double cost.
In anyway, ppl prefer willow of destruction mainly because they can use one staff in all case, but if you're not going to play GF, or you're wealthy enough to make different set, that's not really matter to use redwood or different suffix. in my experience in Isekai, the redwood with very shit cloth is also "playable" in very low level as long as you're willing to

Which of them is better - would say depends on element tbh, if wind/elec - willow 100% wins, if fire/cold - debatable, for pfests/high round IWs willow would be better because they don't have high health targets, but faster landing imperils will allow to oneshot them all earlier, in arenas where survival aspect is not as relevant as in last rounds of fests/IW redwood is a solid pick.

I'm still too casual to play any fests, so I guess redwood will serve me well for now. I mainly play just REs and arenas, so speed wise imperil doesn't help me much yet.

Just for knowledge, fests is usually so we can keep grinding outside REs and arenas, right?

no detail data from me now, I'd just say the redwood/willow of destruction/edb/elementalist suffix doesn't really make that offensive difference in arena, at least not when you're not with top-end and high-forged build.
the main difference is the building cost. I remember that I used to make calculation and the elementalist staff have the highest stats —— with 5 full-forged peerless radiant phase I mean. To making a normal mage set, a destruction staff can works well with any plain 3 phase + 2 cotton or 4 phase + 1 cotton, —— usually ppl use the charged one which increase your defensive. But for edb suffix staff it need the radiant phase, and for elementalist staff it need 5 radiant phase to make good stats. The forge cost of phase is significantly higher than the cotton, and for radiant is even higher. Also the radiant and redwood works shit in GF because lower defensive, that means if you want to play GF then you have to make another set, that's double cost.
In anyway, ppl prefer willow of destruction mainly because they can use one staff in all case, but if you're not going to play GF, or you're wealthy enough to make different set, that's not really matter to use redwood or different suffix. in my experience in Isekai, the redwood with very shit cloth is also "playable" in very low level as long as you're willing to

Yes I'm low level, so I guess I will use this opportunity to go Redwood. But why does Redwood staff has lower defense ("redwood works shit in GF because lower defensive")?

Yes I'm low level, so I guess I will use this opportunity to go Redwood. But why does Redwood staff has lower defense ("redwood works shit in GF because lower defensive")?

It's significantly worse at landing imperils due to lower depr prof and no base counter-resist. You'll spend more turns imperiling, which is more turns getting hit and maybe also having to heal, before you get to start killing monsters.

L100 you mean the 35 rounds one? Half an hour?
If so, my man, just sell hath for credits and look for better equipment, decent one-handed builds can clear that in 3 minutes maybe even less, getting hath perks should be last thing to think about at this point tbh
Just some decent power armor (no need to look for slaughter tbh bc those are more expensive, protections will be alright, maybe some balance to boost attack accuracy) , shortsword for arenas up to 75 rounds / rapier for 80+ rounds arenas, force shield/buckler of barrier, and you are good to go.

That sounds optimistic to me. It largely depends on your turns per second.

I just tried on pfudor Isekai at level 307 using exquisite rapier (forged 15, IW10) and force shield (forged 10), mag shielding cuirass (forged 5), and unforged mag power armor for the rest. It took almost 9 minutes. I then tried on persistent (I'm level 500, DDVIII) using mostly unforged legendaries (a few to 5), and it took about 4.5 minutes. For comparison, it takes me about 1.5 minutes using fully forged mage gear.

Yes, it is possible to do in less than 3 minutes.

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/PXJ6orG.jpg)

But I have "quasi-peerless" equipment, full forged, DD9 + 5.1% ISK Bonus. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) And high turns per second (3 t/s or more). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Without all this combination of factors it would be impossible.

What's the priority in terms of forging for an elemental mage? I'd presume it starts with the elemental prof on the cloth and staff then works up to EDB/MDB?

On a related note, do the EXP multipliers on arenas affect the proficiency gains as well?