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post Sep 30 2023, 12:56
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QUOTE(Evyy @ Sep 30 2023, 00:38) *

What to do to make persistent build fun for someone like me who is pretty much not really into hard grind?


You sound exactly like me when I was your level. If you have the moneys I'd recommend following noni's advice and swapping into mage.

If you can't swap to mage, make sure you are using all available tools, because I wasn't. When I leveled to 300, it took me 2h to clear dwd, and dropped it to 40 minutes "without spending credits"

(btw, I can do it now in 17 minutes after spending a lot of money, so it's just better to swap to mage for a similar credit cost and huge time gains)

All of these are important things:

Playstyle:
- Imperil everything every round, no excuses, it is worth getting used to an imperil playstyle. Get good keybindings to imperil everything every round.
- Set vital strike to a useful key binding and use it on schoolgirls
- Be buffed every round with Heartseeker and spirit stance.
- Use OFC every couple rounds.
- Set good keybindings on draughts and potions and heals so you lose less time.
- enchant your weapon with a different element.

Equip:
- IW10 your rapier. Get a decent legendary rapier/shortsword of slaughter and forge the ADB and the parry. They dont go insanely expensive if you dont go for the ideal stuff.
- Get power armor. At your level, I tried Mag power of slaughter or leg power of *whatever. I got free power armor from charity shops, and eventually bought some slaughter.

Getting leg power armor of slaughter can get expensive up to the point of being pref. to swap to mage, imho. I didn't.

btw there is no such thing as doing dwd in hell difficulty. DWD is always PFUDOR

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post Sep 30 2023, 14:46
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QUOTE(Noni @ Sep 30 2023, 09:31) *

You could try mage when you level up to let's say 350 or so. And why not try DW in persistent as well? I find that style more fun than 1h.


I think I'll do that DW build, I have fun playing it on isekai.


QUOTE(Byza @ Sep 30 2023, 12:56) *

You sound exactly like me when I was your level. If you have the moneys I'd recommend following noni's advice and swapping into mage.

If you can't swap to mage, make sure you are using all available tools, because I wasn't. When I leveled to 300, it took me 2h to clear dwd, and dropped it to 40 minutes "without spending credits"

(btw, I can do it now in 17 minutes after spending a lot of money, so it's just better to swap to mage for a similar credit cost and huge time gains)

All of these are important things:

Playstyle:
- Imperil everything every round, no excuses, it is worth getting used to an imperil playstyle. Get good keybindings to imperil everything every round.
- Set vital strike to a useful key binding and use it on schoolgirls
- Be buffed every round with Heartseeker and spirit stance.
- Use OFC every couple rounds.
- Set good keybindings on draughts and potions and heals so you lose less time.
- enchant your weapon with a different element.

Equip:
- IW10 your rapier. Get a decent legendary rapier/shortsword of slaughter and forge the ADB and the parry. They dont go insanely expensive if you dont go for the ideal stuff.
- Get power armor. At your level, I tried Mag power of slaughter or leg power of *whatever. I got free power armor from charity shops, and eventually bought some slaughter.

Getting leg power armor of slaughter can get expensive up to the point of being pref. to swap to mage, imho. I didn't.

btw there is no such thing as doing dwd in hell difficulty. DWD is always PFUDOR


I should really look into proper keybinding. Now that I think about it, manually mouse clicking on mana draught (and to a lesser degree, the regen spell) every 50 turns saps a little on my motivation, as it interrupts the flow.

I don't have OFC yet, though I should be able to buy the remaining figurine.

As for equipment :

Legendary Fiery Shortsword of Slaughter
Legendary Ruby Force Shield of Warding
Legendary Onyx Plate Helmet of Warding
Legendary Mithril Power Armor of Protection
Legendary Jade Power Gauntlets of Protection
Legendary Savage Power Leggings of Protection
Legendary Savage Power Boots of Protection

I'm trying to buy from the auction https://hentaiverse.org/equip/289055856/e39f8bdf56 a power slaughter helmet

I've got a rapier too, though it's not IW10 yet, so I'm waiting before using it : https://hentaiverse.org/equip/291019437/b6a06fb735

Oh, DWD is difficulty locked to PFUDOR? No wonder then.

Thanks for the advice everyone!

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post Sep 30 2023, 15:01
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May I know if I were to max out on Scavenger in Training,the drops from monsters will be more often,and it will not be limited to Gems only,but equipments too?
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post Sep 30 2023, 15:38
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May I know if I were to max out on Scavenger in Training,the drops from monsters will be more often,and it will not be limited to Gems only,but equipments too?


Yes, scavenger affects all types of drops from killing monsters.
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post Sep 30 2023, 22:49
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QUOTE(Evyy @ Sep 30 2023, 07:46) *

Oh, DWD is difficulty locked to PFUDOR? No wonder then.



I'm pretty sure that part means:

If you are going to take the time to do dwd, any difficult but pfudor is a waste.
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post Sep 30 2023, 23:28
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QUOTE(Vanz/452 @ Sep 30 2023, 20:49) *

I'm pretty sure that part means:

If you are going to take the time to do dwd, any difficult but pfudor is a waste.

No, DWD is locked to PFUDOR regardless of what you set your difficulty to in settings.

Likewise, PGC (level 400 arena) and SPL (level 500 arena) are also locked at PFUDOR+50% Monster HP/Damage and PFUDOR+100% Monster HP/Damage
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post Sep 30 2023, 23:29
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QUOTE(Vanz/452 @ Sep 30 2023, 16:49) *

I'm pretty sure that part means:

If you are going to take the time to do dwd, any difficult but pfudor is a waste.

Whatever difficulty you're on, the game will always give you PFUDOR DwD. It ignores your difficulty setting.
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post Oct 1 2023, 02:23
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I'm just a boring 1H + Shield + Heavy Armor player, with HentaiVerse on one monitor and some videos on another, and I'll just blindly hovering over monsters most of the time, though on higher rounds of the Arena (currently wasting time on "Post-Game Content") I also try to use Imperil, Friendship Lasercannon thing, and weaken/silence on the three bosses rounds. But even the normal monsters doesn't die soooo fast. Thats probably normal for the PFUDOR difficulty I guess.

But since it takes over 80 minutes, well, this is not so nice. Especially since I actually have to use some Draughts and spells. I prefer the "hover over monster and sleep until riddlemaster pops up"-playstyle. So, is this just the life as Heavy Armor + 1H + shield player? I read from Byza that the time can be reduced to 40 minutes. Can this only be reached with an active game style? (and very good equipment of course)

I don't even know why I even bother. But something in me wants to waste credits/gp/hath and time. (but not THAT much time in a single session) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Current equipment, maybe I am using some super bad equipment which I am not aware of? Or I am just impatient and have to actually play a active mage to YOLO through the arenas, unstoppable.

Magnificent Tempestuous Rapier of Slaughter
Legendary Reinforced Buckler of the Nimble
Legendary Amber Power Helmet of Slaughter
Legendary Cobalt Power Armor of Protection
Magnificent Amber Power Gauntlets of Slaughter
Legendary Onyx Power Leggings of Warding
Peerless Amber Power Boots of Warding

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tl;dr: Is it possible to clear the last three PFUDOR arenas in less than 50 minutes (not total but separately) without a too much active playstyle? As 1H and Heavy Armor player.

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post Oct 1 2023, 02:44
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QUOTE(Waitugreat @ Oct 1 2023, 07:23) *

tl;dr: Is it possible to clear the last three PFUDOR arenas in less than 50 minutes (not total but separately) without a too much active playstyle? As 1H and Heavy Armor player.


Not exactly an expert, but I use 1H Heavy and DwD takes me ~20 minutes nowadays and I only really bother using imperil when there are at least 2 schoolgirls that can be hit with 1 cast. Other than that I just use OFC when I can and vital striking stunned (and sometimes imperiled) schoolgirls while using mana/spirit draughts. Just have to keep up regen and heartseeker every once in a while.
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post Oct 1 2023, 05:50
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QUOTE(mathl33t @ Sep 30 2023, 16:29) *

Whatever difficulty you're on, the game will always give you PFUDOR DwD. It ignores your difficulty setting.

Learning something new/old
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post Oct 1 2023, 06:44
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QUOTE(Waitugreat @ Sep 30 2023, 21:23) *

tl;dr: Is it possible to clear the last three PFUDOR arenas in less than 50 minutes (not total but separately) without a too much active playstyle? As 1H and Heavy Armor player.


Yes, it is possible. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Suggestions:

[ 1 ] Replace the Magnificent with Legendary.
[ 2 ] Replace the Buckler with a Force Shield.
[ 3 ] Replace Protection/Warding with Slaughter.
[ 4 ] Avoid Swift Strike. Any combination between Butcher, Fatality and Overpower is acceptable.
[ 5 ] Preferably, get Juggernaut 5 for all parts of the set.
[ 6 ] Make soulfuse in all equipment.
[ 7 ] Do as much upgrade as possible in all equipment.
[ 8 ] Get Dæmon Duality (if you don't have any yet, buy soon; if you have any levels, you want the next level).
[ 9 ] Use Imperil on all School Girls.

Doing this, not only your attack power will increase, but your defense will also improve. This diminishes the need in the use of consumables, as well as eliminates the need to use other spells in the bosses.

Each of these suggestions helps reduce the total time of your game. Obviously, if you do all this, sure your time will fall.

But one thing caught my attention: your t/s is very low (just 1,2 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) )! Does this occur in the lower arenas? If it is a connection problem with the site, then your time can decrease, but not much.

Just as a reference, this is my fastest time:

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/o75G279.jpg)

{ Power Slaughter Set, Full Forged, DD9, +5,1% Isekai Bonus, Manehattan Project }

Usually I do between 13 and 14 minutes.


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post Oct 1 2023, 12:25
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QUOTE(Nezu @ Sep 30 2023, 21:38) *

Yes, scavenger affects all types of drops from killing monsters.


Then may I know if I were to max out Archaeologist,I will only get Precursor Artifact from then on,no longer able to get equipment and other drops?Because I am intending to max out Scavenger, Quartermaster, Luck Of The Draw and Archaeologist,with the purpose of earning as much credits as possible,with my gaming instincts kicking in.
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post Oct 1 2023, 13:05
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QUOTE(justreadin @ Oct 1 2023, 00:44) *

Not exactly an expert, but I use 1H Heavy and DwD takes me ~20 minutes nowadays and I only really bother using imperil when there are at least 2 schoolgirls that can be hit with 1 cast. Other than that I just use OFC when I can and vital striking stunned (and sometimes imperiled) schoolgirls while using mana/spirit draughts. Just have to keep up regen and heartseeker every once in a while.


Oh damn. So seems like my equip have some room for improvement. Thanks for your answer!


QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Oct 1 2023, 04:44) *

Yes, it is possible. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Suggestions:

[ 1 ] Replace the Magnificent with Legendary.
[ 2 ] Replace the Buckler with a Force Shield.
[ 3 ] Replace Protection/Warding with Slaughter.
[ 4 ] Avoid Swift Strike. Any combination between Butcher, Fatality and Overpower is acceptable.
[ 5 ] Preferably, get Juggernaut 5 for all parts of the set.
[ 6 ] Make soulfuse in all equipment.
[ 7 ] Do as much upgrade as possible in all equipment.
[ 8 ] Get Dæmon Duality (if you don't have any yet, buy soon; if you have any levels, you want the next level).
[ 9 ] Use Imperil on all School Girls.

Doing this, not only your attack power will increase, but your defense will also improve. This diminishes the need in the use of consumables, as well as eliminates the need to use other spells in the bosses.

But one thing caught my attention: your t/s is very low (just 1,2 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) )! Does this occur in the lower arenas? If it is a connection problem with the site, then your time can decrease, but not much.
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Usually I do between 13 and 14 minutes.


I see. It appears I should spend some credits on the auction then. Only did that one time ~ two weeks ago. Ha ha.
Not sure about the Itemworld part since I hate such time wasting RNG elements. Even worse if I suddenly die 10 levels before the end. :s

Thank you very much for all the suggestions! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Will take a note.

Oh and about the t/s: With PFUDOR in the Killzone arena it's around 2,3 t/s.
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post Oct 1 2023, 13:12
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Should you always switch to rare equipment or is there some good rule of thumb when to? Should you switch to rare only if the quality and rolls / suffix / prefix are better?

Context: so back then I had a superior/exquisite set of leathers for my DW build. Then I swapped all of them for a set of average/superior shades. I expect them to be better (I mean, they're rarer), but I didn't seem to be killing monsters faster. I do however, got hurt much faster, resulting in more frequent cures / potions.

That was for light armors, but I do hope the same reasoning could be applied to heavies.
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post Oct 1 2023, 16:12
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QUOTE(Zhuo_Xing @ Oct 1 2023, 11:25) *

Then may I know if I were to max out Archaeologist,I will only get Precursor Artifact from then on,no longer able to get equipment and other drops?Because I am intending to max out Scavenger, Quartermaster, Luck Of The Draw and Archaeologist,with the purpose of earning as much credits as possible,with my gaming instincts kicking in.


+100% base drop chance means an additional 100% of the base value. If the Precursor Artifact drop rate were 1% (just an example value), and you maxed out Archaeologist, it would increase it to 2%.

QUOTE(firzein @ Oct 1 2023, 12:12) *

Should you always switch to rare equipment or is there some good rule of thumb when to? Should you switch to rare only if the quality and rolls / suffix / prefix are better?

Context: so back then I had a superior/exquisite set of leathers for my DW build. Then I swapped all of them for a set of average/superior shades. I expect them to be better (I mean, they're rarer), but I didn't seem to be killing monsters faster. I do however, got hurt much faster, resulting in more frequent cures / potions.

That was for light armors, but I do hope the same reasoning could be applied to heavies.


Switching from reliable mitigations to avoidance chance probably doesn't work so well unless you can get enough of it - so I wouldn't switch from exquisite down to superior just to get the ADB.

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post Oct 1 2023, 20:08
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i know this is a bit dumb but is there any lewd content in the game or is this just a standard rpg. thanks
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post Oct 1 2023, 20:15
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i know this is a bit dumb but is there any lewd content in the game or is this just a standard rpg. thanks


it's a mouse clicking game that will suck you in. But dud you already at a porn site.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Oct 1 2023, 22:19
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QUOTE(Nezu @ Oct 1 2023, 16:12) *

Switching from reliable mitigations to avoidance chance probably doesn't work so well unless you can get enough of it - so I wouldn't switch from exquisite down to superior just to get the ADB.


Thanks for the answer. But Shade always have less mitigation than Leather. I suppose it's fine to lose a little mitigation for some ADB if the quality is equal or better then? Otherwise even Peerless Leather would be better than Peerless Shade with that logic. And how much avoidance would be enough?

How about Plate to Power? They just straight up has less mitigation for ADBs. How much ADBs roughly would worth the mitigation loss?

A little unrelated, but for around my level (200), how much should one invest on gears (other than buying and owning them, of course)? Should I forge to level 5, do IW10, etc on some or all of my gears?
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post Oct 2 2023, 01:14
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QUOTE(firzein @ Oct 1 2023, 21:19) *

Thanks for the answer. But Shade always have less mitigation than Leather. I suppose it's fine to lose a little mitigation for some ADB if the quality is equal or better then? Otherwise even Peerless Leather would be better than Peerless Shade with that logic. And how much avoidance would be enough?

How about Plate to Power? They just straight up has less mitigation for ADBs. How much ADBs roughly would worth the mitigation loss?

A little unrelated, but for around my level (200), how much should one invest on gears (other than buying and owning them, of course)? Should I forge to level 5, do IW10, etc on some or all of my gears?


The trade-off between ADB and defensiveness is also related to your level, not just equipment.
When you level up, your defenses grow stronger (due to multiple influences, not related to equip. change, like effect of Abilities scaling etc. ), so there is a point (or rather, more a "range" in levels) where it become profitable to change plain leather for Shade; not at very low levels, where the ADB even of legendaries gives very little in absolute terms since it hasn't scaled up still. Also stats scale with levels, and have not the same intensity on plain leather or shade, so it's all a bit complicated.

For Heavy the same reasoning applies; only the level where becomes feasible to use Power instead of plain is much earlier since Power gives more ADB then Shade and give also more defenses (a bit less then plain metal, but still more then an equivalent shade). So early in fact, that even at low level, changing one or even two pieces from Mag plain to Exq power is doable.

However you must not forget that below Mag your equip also have at least one PAB less (or even two for Leather); so while changing a Leg. plain leather/metal for a Mag. Shade/Power may be OK, doing the same from Mag to Exp is often not, due to the other combined effects.

Best thing is give it a try, to see if it works for your play-style, wich also comes in the equation..
If you prefer to play quickly on low diff., or instead you prefer to play in as high a difficulty as you can get away with never mind the time taken; in the first case, shade/power for max ADB and whatever you can get for defenses; in the second, only switch gear to shade/power one at a time, when you get one equal or better then the plain you have, or when your level is high enough that your defenses do not suffer from the change.

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post Oct 2 2023, 03:04
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I'm wondering what I might expect from Shrining: Star Compass 2022 X-MAS ?

or should I sell it for ~700k C at The Market?

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