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Since i've paid close attention to which monster classes i fight recently i can claim with absolute certainty that number of classes isn't limited to 3, at least when number of monsters is greater than 6.

well, there were infos directly from admin afaik

16.36~ MDB (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) .

ooohh... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

I've been thinking about switching to mage, and I have a few questions that the wiki doesn't quite answer.

What are the advantages and disadvantages of the different elements?
How do they differ in playstyle?
What stats should I be prioritizing when looking for gear?
Does it matter which pieces are cloth and which are phase?
If it helps, my budget is 10m, and my initial goal will be to beat all arenas on PFUDOR. I already have some holy gear, but nothing spectacular. I can clear the early arenas on at least Hell with it. Staff Cap Robe Gloves Pants Shoes. I understand it's not at all an ideal set, these are all self-drops. I haven't bought any cloth/phase at all yet.

For the goal you have, all elements will work. But at your budget, I'd go with elemetal, not holy or dark. Because it's cheaper to get going. You'll be needing imperil, so if you can't use that yet practice your deprecating magic now.

Step 1. Find a matching staff, within budget (that means below 50% MDB and EDB). Spend most of your budget on that staff.
Step 2. Find proficiency shoes, or gloves (cotton of the elementalist) Don't go for charged, you can't afford that
Step 3. Get phases matching your staff. Not charged, not radiant, you can't afford that.
Step 4. Play and have fun - start at max difficulty that you can manager without constant spark of life or cure
Step 5. Forge, forge, forge your gear, slowly towards the end - halfway you'll be able to play pfudor

For the goal you have, all elements will work. But at your budget, I'd go with elemetal, not holy or dark. Because it's cheaper to get going. You'll be needing imperil, so if you can't use that yet practice your deprecating magic now.

Step 1. Find a matching staff, within budget (that means below 50% MDB and EDB). Spend most of your budget on that staff.
Step 2. Find proficiency shoes, or gloves (cotton of the elementalist) Don't go for charged, you can't afford that
Step 3. Get phases matching your staff. Not charged, not radiant, you can't afford that.
Step 4. Play and have fun - start at max difficulty that you can manager without constant spark of life or cure
Step 5. Forge, forge, forge your gear, slowly towards the end - halfway you'll be able to play pfudor

I'm a noob who want to try mage style, i have the staffs (maybe a bit decent one), but for cloth, i have to go with full cotton first or full phase or combination?

You'll be needing imperil, so if you can't use that yet practice your deprecating magic now.

Step 5. Forge, forge, forge your gear, slowly towards the end - halfway you'll be able to play pfudor

step 0a. with the current prof system, i doubt anyone playing for more than two days at his level cannot use imperil (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

step 5a. i'd say to forge only staff and cotton, especially if you're tight on budget. and stop when you reach HG cloth threshold for the same reason

I'm a noob who want to try mage style, i have the staffs (maybe a bit decent one), but for cloth, i have to go with full cotton first or full phase or combination?

whatever allows you to reach 0.65~0.7 prof factor. feel free to use my prof calculator to speed up math. ideally you can aim for gloves or shoes, but it has been proven that with prof perk and some decent forging on staff you can even go for full phase

And i still see way too many shadowcats or memories. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Does that make memories of shadowcats? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

PLAIGERIZED!!

THANKS UNCLE!!!

Edit: (I plagiarized it for my monster # 198 by the way.... tick tock... tick tock...)

Since i've paid close attention to which monster classes i fight recently i can claim with absolute certainty that number of classes isn't limited to 3, at least when number of monsters is greater than 6.

It may be a Level thing. I have no clue.
I do know that the monsters I'm seeing are grouped in classes of 2 or 3 consistently.

mechanic have been a bit tweaked since then, but it's still surprisingly actual. now the number of classes is limited to 3 (so that "less than 4" is still true technically (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ), max one mob per trainer and the same mob cannot appear for at least ten rounds.

Thanks guys! That clears it up.
I think I probably misread it back then as a noob.

I assume the mob "down the line, 1 each" still works with the ten round part.
Heh.... A little too late to change now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by RoadShoe: Mar 14 2018, 14:51

Anyone knows what influences amount of overcharge generated? (i'm especially interested in attack speed, since i have to sync oc gen to either debuff or CD time.)

well, there were infos directly from admin afaik

Well, if i could find this somewhere in patch notes, then i'd probably reported this as a bug, since its fairly common for monsters from 4 different classes to appear in one round. One of RoadShoes screens has an example. Last time flocking was mentioned in patch notes (that i could find, that is) is superold 0.76, when it was first introduced (it says 4 classes btw). Its probably too old to be reliable. The same line in notes also contains this: "(This does mean that less popular classes get more airtime.)". I haven't found anything about this in patchnotes for later versions too. Maybe this effect is still there, its just much less prominent than sheer monster number difference.

Anyone knows what influences amount of overcharge generated? (i'm especially interested in attack speed, since i have to sync oc gen to either debuff or CD time.)

Attacking and counter attack

Attacking and counter attack

duh.
I meant amount of overcharge generated per attack/counter.

Last time flocking was mentioned in patch notes (that i could find, that is) is superold 0.76, when it was first introduced (it says 4 classes btw).

last monster-related patch was .84 or .85, iirc...

For the goal you have, all elements will work. But at your budget, I'd go with elemetal, not holy or dark. Because it's cheaper to get going. You'll be needing imperil, so if you can't use that yet practice your deprecating magic now.

Step 1. Find a matching staff, within budget (that means below 50% MDB and EDB). Spend most of your budget on that staff.
Step 2. Find proficiency shoes, or gloves (cotton of the elementalist) Don't go for charged, you can't afford that
Step 3. Get phases matching your staff. Not charged, not radiant, you can't afford that.
Step 4. Play and have fun - start at max difficulty that you can manager without constant spark of life or cure
Step 5. Forge, forge, forge your gear, slowly towards the end - halfway you'll be able to play pfudor

I think I'll go with wind, since I already have this beauty. I imperil on SG during as a 1H user, so my dep prof is already good enough (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

step 0a. with the current prof system, i doubt anyone playing for more than two days at his level cannot use imperil (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

step 5a. i'd say to forge only staff and cotton, especially if you're tight on budget. and stop when you reach HG cloth threshold for the same reason
whatever allows you to reach 0.65~0.7 prof factor. feel free to use my prof calculator to speed up math. ideally you can aim for gloves or shoes, but it has been proven that with prof perk and some decent forging on staff you can even go for full phase

Makes sense. Phazon and HGC are very expensive for a poor player like me.


Thanks for the help guys. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

PLAIGERIZED!!

THANKS UNCLE!!!

*Sigh* So i finaly got a monstername for you and i gave it away for free? That is really frustating. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

I think I'll go with wind, since I already have this beauty.

Even better is to find a staff that is for sale and within budget first. If you can find wind staff, fine. If it's electric, or cold, sell the robe.

Is it a good idea to build a Holy mage gear for PFFest, comparing with Wind/Elec mage?

This post has been edited by Lastwizard05: Mar 15 2018, 18:28

Is it a good idea to build a Holy mage gear for PFFest, comparing with Wind/Elec mage?

In case you are within the top 25 of daily H@H toplist, then why not? You don't have to play imperil, and it works very nicely. Should you have not unlimited funds, then wind/elec will do just as well, only you need to play imperil (at least until you get extremely strong). So it depends on the depth of your wallet.

Dark mage could be ok too if he doesn't have unlimited credits

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I have no idea about the performance of different Holy combination set playing non-imp in deep PFFest, like comparing 5 Radiant or 4R+1C with 5 Charged and both set have decent edb, which one is better? Or the t/round difference is not that significant?

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I dunt know much about the difference between Holy & Dark in x20 GF/IW & SGS. I have just asked Sapo84 about Holy mage here.
Will a similar Dark mage gear(LDWD+5 Leg Radiant) perform more or less the same t/round as the Holy one? And how about PFFest/IW?

This post has been edited by Lastwizard05: Mar 15 2018, 20:13

no, dark won't perform the same as holy. Holy is better, because spell proc. reduces defense of monsters. Kinda auto-imperil.



This post has been edited by DJNoni: Mar 15 2018, 20:19

I have no idea about the performance of different Holy combination set playing non-imp in deep PFFest, like comparing 5 Radiant or 4R+1C with 5 Charged and both set have decent edb, which one is better? Or the t/round difference is not that significant?
I dunt know much about the difference between Holy & Dark in x20 GF/IW & SGS. I have just asked Sapo84 about Holy mage here.
Will a similar Dark mage gear(LDWD+5 Leg Radiant) perform more or less the same t/round as the Holy one? And how about PFFest/IW?

Best combo should be peerless oak + peerless prof robe. But I recommend leg prof gloves + shoes because its so much easier to get.
You want all radiant as a holy mage.

Best combo should be peerless oak + peerless prof robe. But I recommend leg prof gloves + shoes because its so much easier to get.
You want all radiant as a holy mage.

Thats what I am actually thinking of, LHOH + leg prof gloves + shoes or sth like that, sounds cost effective to me.
Full radiant is not an option for PFFest but Arena I guess?

what is the best possible staff for imperil arena cleaner build?
tempestuous willow of destruction with p5s4?