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post May 20 2023, 21:39
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QUOTE(justreadin @ May 20 2023, 08:41) *

What's the actual difference in terms of viability between fire/cold mage vs elec/wind?
Everyone seems to say that fire/cold is cheaper to build, but what advantage does elec/wind have over fire/cold to make it not cheap?
Still saving up for a mage set eventually but I haven't really read anything that tells me the difference between those elements.



Dragonkin are weak to gale. There are multipel combos such as col + Wind.
Cold inflict slow. Wind reduces chances to hit. Depending on yoru play style some could be mroe advantageous than other. You could go Maximum Haste + Betetr slow and mag net at maximum and combien this with the slow of cold you can effectivily with a big of agility above you level complitly demolish them in mellee since you will be way afster than they are.
Or go still heavy in agility too boost evade chances, veil to maximum, faster blidn and optionaly betetr blind. And wind magic. It work wonder with good cloth armor with uppgraded evade chances.

teh only thing more costly about either build is when you wanna uppgrade you gear to gear more elemental dammages. When you wnat the Jade prefix and all the suffix that go with it. With the high quality uppgrade at teh forge. Personaly investing taht much in specialisation as a mage..... Why no go Dark/Light at this point? Why not respect? The point of elemental magix is being cheap and polyvalent.

Or you can do like I do and skip imepril by going quadri élemental wiha priority to cold and wind magic. And a good chunk of dex for Parry chances and hit in melee and with the orbital friendship cannon. I kidna invested heavly in abilities points I am at 60 already.


Now My turn to ask question. uppgrading equipement is base of a percnetage of the stat you want to inrease, so if we follow this loggic, it is more efficient to uppgrade high level/Quality gear.

BBUUUUUUUUT what if you sould bounn an item? Is there any downside at uppgrading the GEAR ASAP? Or does the uppgrade also scale with levels?

Question two :
When I will have enough to spare to waste a mastery point and a shitload of AB to invest ins pike a shield. Wich element is teh best? If I wanna farm the spaghetti monster and teh unicorn. Is there one that is advantageous?

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post May 20 2023, 23:57
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QUOTE(softporn only @ May 20 2023, 20:39) *
teh only thing more costly about either build is when you wanna uppgrade you gear to gear more elemental dammages. When you wnat the Jade prefix and all the suffix that go with it. With the high quality uppgrade at teh forge. Personaly investing taht much in specialisation as a mage..... Why no go Dark/Light at this point? Why not respect? The point of elemental magix is being cheap and polyvalent.


The Jade prefix on armor adds resistance, it has nothing to do with your damage...

QUOTE(softporn only @ May 20 2023, 20:39) *
Or you can do like I do and skip imepril by going quadri élemental wiha priority to cold and wind magic. And a good chunk of dex for Parry chances and hit in melee and with the orbital friendship cannon. I kidna invested heavly in abilities points I am at 60 already.


This may work at low level, on low difficulties, but this is not really 'expert' advice. lol

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Now My turn to ask question. uppgrading equipement is base of a percnetage of the stat you want to inrease, so if we follow this loggic, it is more efficient to uppgrade high level/Quality gear.

BBUUUUUUUUT what if you sould bounn an item? Is there any downside at uppgrading the GEAR ASAP? Or does the uppgrade also scale with levels?


The base stats (ie, the stats that are multiplied by a level-based factor) on an item never change past its generation. Soulbinding an item scales it to your current level, instead of the level it dropped at.

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Question two :
When I will have enough to spare to waste a mastery point and a shitload of AB to invest ins pike a shield. Wich element is teh best? If I wanna farm the spaghetti monster and teh unicorn. Is there one that is advantageous?


Not really, they're pretty minor benefits... most people have their own arguments for their favourite, but all tests I've seen have concluded pretty much the same thing: it doesn't matter that much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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post May 21 2023, 00:25
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The Jade prefix on armor adds resistance, it has nothing to do with your damage...

I meant windy freyr....

The base stats (ie, the stats that are multiplied by a level-based factor) on an item never change past its generation. Soulbinding an item scales it to your current level, instead of the level it dropped at.

Yess but the stats change as its cale to current level?

I mean I only sould bound good stats rolls...... What I wanted to know was if I should wiat to uppgrade my sould bound Items or just uppgrade them now.

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post May 21 2023, 01:01
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QUOTE(softporn only @ May 20 2023, 18:25) *

I mean I only sould bound good stats rolls...... What I wanted to know was if I should wiat to uppgrade my sould bound Items or just uppgrade them now.


Upgrading equipment upgrades the base stat, so the effect of the upgrade level up with the equipment. If you're going to upgrade, you may as well do it now.
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post May 21 2023, 04:25
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Just found out my attack bonus drops as I leveled up, is it because the soul-fused equipment's burden I equiped also increases as I leveled up? Or is it just about my AGI stats?

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post May 21 2023, 04:38
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Thanks for earlier answer! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

What is the best thing to do with junky (crude-average with low stats) equipment/gear? MarketplaceBazaar or Salvage?
I am thinking Salvage as they can get more worth in materials than from selling at marketplaceBaazaar?
I don't mind donating them to a freeshop but they are such low level items, i don't know if it is worth anyone's time. hahaha!

Ring of Blood, should I do them the moment I have a token (lower level, fast cash, worse drops) or wait until higher level (cash later, better drops)?

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post May 21 2023, 06:07
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So, the basic difference I can gather is that elec/wind mages get to have higher damage outputs while using a willow staff for better counter resist and deprecating proficiency?
Posts seem to say that fire/cold have to use redwood or willow depending on content, so is that why elec/wind mages are more expensive to build?
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post May 21 2023, 07:40
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Why are scrap leather drops so rare for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post May 21 2023, 08:44
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QUOTE(56aaaaa @ May 21 2023, 04:25) *

Just found out my attack bonus drops as I leveled up, is it because the soul-fused equipment's burden I equiped also increases as I leveled up? Or is it just about my AGI stats?

We can't possibly say, can be a lot to things - you may have swapped weapons, changed abilities? Burden of soul fused equipment, that's very unlikely no. Rest of the stats scale as well, so burden should not have much effect if any. AGI also has nothing to do with attack bonus. STR has.

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Thanks for earlier answer! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

What is the best thing to do with junky (crude-average with low stats) equipment/gear? MarketplaceBazaar or Salvage?
I am thinking Salvage as they can get more worth in materials than from selling at marketplaceBaazaar?
I don't mind donating them to a freeshop but they are such low level items, i don't know if it is worth anyone's time. hahaha!

Ring of Blood, should I do them the moment I have a token (lower level, fast cash, worse drops) or wait until higher level (cash later, better drops)?

Salvage for scraps, yes. Or sell for credits, works as well. Doesn't really matter that much, see for yourself what works for you, how much scrap material you need etc. Donation of crude / average is not very useful, they are easy to get for lv 0 players even.

Generally, waiting for 5 tokens to do FSM is best income. But you can also do the 1st one every day, as it has a high chance of giving back the token of blood.

QUOTE(justreadin @ May 21 2023, 06:07) *

So, the basic difference I can gather is that elec/wind mages get to have higher damage outputs while using a willow staff for better counter resist and deprecating proficiency?
Posts seem to say that fire/cold have to use redwood or willow depending on content, so is that why elec/wind mages are more expensive to build?

Price only reflects how good the style is up to a certain point, it's mainly rich players that determine prices. But yes, elec/wind should perform a little bit better than cold/fire. But I played cold with redwood until lv500 and that works fine. Why does everyone wants to optimize for perfection so early on?

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Why are scrap leather drops so rare for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Settings: auto salvage low-tier leathers ->then you get scrap leather. But they aren't that expensive to buy in item shop.
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post May 21 2023, 09:38
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Loving all the info so far! Thanks again!

Monster lab: I have enough crystals to upgrade my monsters and the monsters have max morale.
Should I wait for morale to drop before upgrading (slower monster PL increase but save on crystals)? or disregard max morale and upgrade anyway (quick monster PL increase but wasted morale replenishment)?
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post May 21 2023, 10:07
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QUOTE(kuije @ May 21 2023, 09:38) *

Loving all the info so far! Thanks again!

Monster lab: I have enough crystals to upgrade my monsters and the monsters have max morale.
Should I wait for morale to drop before upgrading (slower monster PL increase but save on crystals)? or disregard max morale and upgrade anyway (quick monster PL increase but wasted morale replenishment)?

upgrading is not worth it as an investment. Personally, my advice is to only upgrade monsters with an extremely funny name. So that others can enjoy them. But economically, upgrading past 25 makes no real sense. So best to wait until they get low on morale and then give them crystals to get morale up.
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post May 21 2023, 10:19
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QUOTE(Noni @ May 21 2023, 20:07) *

upgrading is not worth it as an investment. Personally, my advice is to only upgrade monsters with an extremely funny name. So that others can enjoy them. But economically, upgrading past 25 makes no real sense. So best to wait until they get low on morale and then give them crystals to get morale up.

Ah! Follow up questions:

The wiki says that lower PL monsters have lower chance for gifts (because lower chance of killing a player). So this is actually unimportant? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post May 21 2023, 11:47
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QUOTE(kuije @ May 21 2023, 09:19) *

Ah! Follow up questions:

The wiki says that lower PL monsters have lower chance for gifts (because lower chance of killing a player). So this is actually unimportant? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


The 'chance of killing a player' seems to be based on a couple things, in practice:
  • plvl ~25-100 - total newbies on normal mode face these, brand new players who click RE links on galleries - they die more commonly than experienced players
  • plvl ~100 - 1500ish - seen mostly by mid-level players before they're capable of doing higher difficulties. We don't get many new players who stay beyond the initial curiosity so these monsters barely ever fight at all.
  • plvl > 1500 - this is all you're seeing by level 300ish on PFUDOR. Endgame players don't die often, and gifts aren't 1:1 with battle wins, so the payoff time for the crystals required for plvl 1500+ is like, 5 years at least, and getting longer all the time
(This is my conjecture as a player with a heavily invested monster lab.)

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post May 21 2023, 14:09
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QUOTE(Nezu @ May 21 2023, 21:47) *

The 'chance of killing a player' seems to be based on a couple things, in practice:
  • plvl ~25-100 - total newbies on normal mode face these, brand new players who click RE links on galleries - they die more commonly than experienced players
  • plvl ~100 - 1500ish - seen mostly by mid-level players before they're capable of doing higher difficulties. We don't get many new players who stay beyond the initial curiosity so these monsters barely ever fight at all.
  • plvl > 1500 - this is all you're seeing by level 300ish on PFUDOR. Endgame players don't die often, and gifts aren't 1:1 with battle wins, so the payoff time for the crystals required for plvl 1500+ is like, 5 years at least, and getting longer all the time
(This is my conjecture as a player with a heavily invested monster lab.)

That looks like some great analysis right there. Thanks!
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post May 22 2023, 08:12
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Legendary Charged Phase Robe of Freyr is that good?

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post May 22 2023, 08:17
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Where do Energy Drinks come from?
I see them in the Market, but I've never actually received one myself. Are they ultra-rare drops or something?
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post May 22 2023, 08:25
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Where do Energy Drinks come from?
I see them in the Market, but I've never actually received one myself. Are they ultra-rare drops or something?

Gold star donators get 1 Energy Drink per day, Catgirls get 2.
They used to come from shrining Precursor Artifacts instead, but not anymore.
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post May 22 2023, 17:20
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good, not great. sell in auction.
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post May 22 2023, 18:04
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post May 22 2023, 18:06
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for me personally I don't want any legendary with EDB roll below 50%. so It's not good XD.

But that doesn't mean it has no value. Based on the price history, it varied from few hundred thousands to 3M.
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