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post Sep 8 2022, 15:44
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QUOTE(mathl33t @ Sep 7 2022, 18:39) *

Props for pushing the limits with 2H! I'd recommend using Aether Shards if you aren't already. Use it on your weapon and you get an hour of +50% magical accuracy (and a bit of mana conservation). If your magical accuracy is below 100%, you can miss spells entirely. Increasing from 100% to 200% (actually 194.8% due to a rounding error in the game) reduces monsters' chance to evade your spells, which is why aether shards are so good. There's not a good way to reduce resists unfortunately. I'd also recommend more forging on your shades.

I like to use 1H mage in tower, which gets defense from weapon's parry and shield's block while using cloth armor for spell damage. It's great for debuffing and area damage both, but it's thirsty for mana. (I wrote a guide for it.) Standard 1H is the best defensively, and can target down one monster at a time to make the rest of the round safer. It can use heavy armor for better offense or light armor to become nearly unkillable but weak offensively. DW is also a possible option.


Oh wow, I complete forgot about that enchant. Yea, that 50% extra accuracy sounds crazy strong and should help a lot. Too bad that they are accordingly rare and expensive.

I read your guide very early on in my tower progress before I even used any debuffs and it caused me to give debuffs a shot (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif).
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post Sep 8 2022, 19:10
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QUOTE(hentailover6983 @ Sep 8 2022, 09:07) *

For my Hath Perks, should I focus on purchasing the levels of a single Perk first, or should I gain different levels of multiple perks when I reach the minimum cost requirement?

For example: Should I get DD Lv. 2 and then DD Lv. 3, and so forth? Or should I get DD Lv. 2, then Crystarium Lv. 5?

depends on your goals. If you want perfection, you'll need them all anyway so who cares? If you want to optimize income, then crystarium 5 could be nice, but only if you do grindfests regularly. If you want to be able to clear arena's faster, then DD is the way to go. So tell us, what do you want to achieve?
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post Sep 9 2022, 05:56
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QUOTE(honeyflower @ Sep 7 2022, 11:02) *

Not sure if this is still ATE territory or warrants its own thread. I'm hoping to talk about and get some feedback from others who have progressed the tower as 2H.

So far I did my floor per day, am level 342 on floor 47 and while it is still doable, I feel like soon my strategy will hit a cap, atleast without better gear or levels.
I'm using Legendary Etheral Mace of Balance and a mix of Mag./Leg. Fleet shades, some with agile prefix, and only very little forging on the shades. Scrolls I use on and off in the latter half of a run.

My basic strategy is to perma stun the first 5 monsters with Rend and Shatter and debuff the remainder with at least weaken+silence and either a good sleep hit or repeated stuns thrown in.
The difficulty of a round heavily depends on how much my debuffs get evaded/resisted. A full sleep hit (e.g. through a channeling proc) at the start makes the round basically free while repeatedly hitting only 0-1 monsters per debuff cast can make the round start a real struggle.

Is my experience so far on par or am I missing something? Did you use a different strategy? Out of curiousity since I have no intention of respeccing, how do the experience of 1H or mage compare?

I feel like getting more good agile shades and reforging the weapon to 5 attack speed would be helpful? Maybe it could even be worth to get at least one arcanist part to soft cap my spell hit?
Are there other ways to improve the debuff hitrate? Theres no way for 2H to counter resist since the tower monsters outlevel profiency, correct?
Thanks for reading and your feedback!


Good job, a bit interesting you're higher level there than on persistent already (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I was worried that my reply before was a bit irresponsible and I should have sweet talked you into moving to other styles but I don't like doing that for many reasons so reading your post made me release a sigh of relief. This reply comes a bit late so depending on your goals you might not even need to read at all now but doing so just in case.

For the debuff hitrate, as mentioned an Aether Shard should improve your experience by a bit as you will minimize the evades, but yeah nothing to do about counter resist unless you start casting magnet like crazy (which itself needs to connect so it defeats the purpose for melee players).

Regarding attack speed, unlike mages with their casting speed you probably can't deal as much damage (even less in higher tower floors) so while you might be able to extend debuffs and stuns, if you can't kill them before they move or deal some more damage you're merely delaying the inevitable. At least without some goals in mind, like the dudes on persistent who aimed to keep a balance of Fus Ro Dah and Overcharge gain to keep it up all the time.
There's also the thing where you're interfering with draught effects along with bleeding wounds efficiency, etc. on top of needing to reach certain speed breakpoints to be worth it as otherwise you're simply throwing speed on your build without outspeeding any monsters at all, and said breakpoints are unknown and may change over time thus tricky to determine. So at least how I see it there's no reason to go out of your way to collect agile stuff for tower as it may not really bring big improvements. There's also the fact that your weapon already has some swift strike already and you're using style skills which consume a considerable amount of time units so yeah no need to bother.

There might be value in a few Arcanists in your build, but given the same quality of items I would take Fleet/Shadowdancer without a doubt. Choice mostly comes to what you have available and what you're comfortable with. I personally value a legendary Arcanist (and sometimes even Negations) higher than a magnificent Fleet as I'm already getting hit anyway so might as well enjoy the better PABs and mitigations but your mileage may vary.

I don't think there's a true way to play many styles but from what I can gather for everyone the tower is pretty much a debuff fest. So as for battle strategy and reading how you play it I can offer you some suggestions. First of all from what I see the strength of debuffs for survival for the particular style go like this:

Sleep>Weaken>Silence>Slow>Blind>Confuse

You might be aware already but Sleep/Confuse don't like to play along with AoE very much so I would limit it to 3-4 monsters at most to avoid mana waste and focus fire on the rest of the monsters, so repeat after me, I won't bother monsters in a different mental state as others until their friends are dead. Imperil and Spirit Stance are a no-go for the start of a round as they add unnecessary stress to your MP bar/HP bar while leaving you open to attacks. But as soon as your round is somewhat stable please use Imperil. Maces are slow already, and Balance makes it even slower so if you don't want to hurt your Overcharge might as well use all the help you can.

Make use of your entire health bar. It may feel unnerving but if you're gonna Spark might as well take it and abuse Cloak of the Fallen. Be wary of sparking with low spirit or 1HP left though.

Use Potions. They have 0 action speed so if your round isn't the prettiest or you already have Cloak of the Fallen active might as well make it easier for you without wasting precious turns. If your round is relatively safe might as well use Cure though to keep it cheap. Or just Full Cure because fuck it there's no time to waste, only mana.

If you're in bad shape out of carelessness at the end of the round leave one monster alive and bully it with as many debuffs as you need (or in your case just stun it). Then use Scan repeatedly and get rid of as many cooldowns as you consider approriate. Do note that I said only when in bad shape, at least if you don't want to spend several hours in a single tower floor.

I honestly don't know what else to add. Besides helping yourself with items and debuffs it's mostly just attacking monsters in an orderly fashion and curing as necessary. Replace gear as necessary and forge defensive/offensive stats as you need them. Evade on Shades, Attack on weapon, Dex a bit on both, and some Agi on gear. IW doesn't matter and for floor 50 Juggernaut 5 isn't exactly mandatory.

At least my 2 cents.
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post Sep 9 2022, 08:55
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How do I get the url of an equipment?
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post Sep 9 2022, 09:24
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QUOTE(Nashette @ Sep 9 2022, 12:25) *

How do I get the url of an equipment?


Hover and press 'c'.
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post Sep 10 2022, 00:33
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I generally don't sell equipment outside the shop but I got a peerless one just now that I don't need and wonder how much it would be worth, whether I should just sell it in the Equipment shop or not.
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/283679629/28bf098fbe

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post Sep 10 2022, 00:39
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QUOTE(darkwing42 @ Sep 9 2022, 22:33) *

I generally don't sell equipment outside the shop but I got a peerless one just now that I don't need and wonder how much it would be worth, whether I should just sell it in the Equipment shop or not.
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/283679629/28bf098fbe


I would guess somewhere around 2-3m credits if you auction it. Certainly a lot more than if you sell to the equip shop. Someone will always be willing to buy a peerless, no matter what it is.
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post Sep 10 2022, 00:52
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QUOTE(LogJammin @ Sep 9 2022, 18:39) *

I would guess somewhere around 2-3m credits if you auction it. Certainly a lot more than if you sell to the equip shop. Someone will always be willing to buy a peerless, no matter what it is.

Hmm, is there a proxy service I can trust to do that for me, I'm willing to share the credits if someone else handles the auction, I don't know the first thing about doing an auction after all.
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post Sep 10 2022, 01:10
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QUOTE(darkwing42 @ Sep 9 2022, 17:52) *

Hmm, is there a proxy service I can trust to do that for me, I'm willing to share the credits if someone else handles the auction, I don't know the first thing about doing an auction after all.


Usually when someone mentions to auction the item they actually mean "Send it to Super's auction". They get posted once per week, on Friday and last until Sunday. There's one pinned right now on the WTS section of the forum where you can read more details about it on the first post but to get your item posted you basically have to send a MoogleMail with your item without CoD to user Superlatanium specifying it's "for auction" in the Subject and if you have a start bid state so in the body of your mail. Then wait until the next auction and that's all, he'll handle everything, notify you when the new auction is posted and send your winnings (or item back) after the auction.
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post Sep 10 2022, 01:17
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QUOTE(Pretty anon @ Sep 9 2022, 19:10) *

Usually when someone mentions to auction the item they actually mean "Send it to Super's auction". They get posted once per week, on Friday and last until Sunday. There's one pinned right now on the WTS section of the forum where you can read more details about it on the first post but to get your item posted you basically have to send a MoogleMail with your item without CoD to user Superlatanium specifying it's "for auction" in the Subject and if you have a start bid state so in the body of your mail. Then wait until the next auction and that's all, he'll handle everything, notify you when the new auction is posted and send your winnings (or item back) after the auction.

Thank you, I will contact SuperLatinum (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Sep 10 2022, 10:34
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I dropped a Festival Coupon, which seems like it would sell at a high price for the poor me, but can't seem to sell it in the Market. Is that item tied to the account?

If it is, what's the best way to use it? I've been selling all my trophies in the Bazaar until now so I'm not too familiar with the Shrine.
Can tier 7 trophies still combined when donating to Snowflake, or does the maximum combination stop before that? If my understanding is correct, combination should stop at tier 5.

Is the reward equipment tied to the account? If it isn't, should I go for a type of equipment that's popular so I can sell it, rather than one I need?

Also, I recently got a bunch of good drops and my only piece of equipment I'm not satisfied with right now is my weapon. I'm playing 1H + Shield and I ideally would want a Rapier but a Shortsword would work as well and a good Wakizashi might make the cut too. Also, weapons suffer from not getting a prefix more than armors or shields do (if my understanding is correct).
Basically, going for a Weapon has a fairly high chance to not get a good result. Should I try to find a weapon elsewhere and wait for one of my pieces of Shield/Armor to be outdated so I can go for that instead? I also don't know how common those coupons are, so I might just get enough to spam the Shrine until I get a good weapon.

Lastly, should I wait until I'm much higher level to use the coupon rather than using it at a stage where I still replace each piece of equipment every few days? Note that my overall goal is to level up fast to a level where I can earn a steady income.


That's a lot of questions so thanks is advance for taking your time to answer them!
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post Sep 10 2022, 11:16
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QUOTE(Nashette @ Sep 10 2022, 10:34) *

I dropped a Festival Coupon, which seems like it would sell at a high price for the poor me, but can't seem to sell it in the Market. Is that item tied to the account?

If it is, what's the best way to use it? I've been selling all my trophies in the Bazaar until now so I'm not too familiar with the Shrine.
Can tier 7 trophies still combined when donating to Snowflake, or does the maximum combination stop before that? If my understanding is correct, combination should stop at tier 5.

Is the reward equipment tied to the account? If it isn't, should I go for a type of equipment that's popular so I can sell it, rather than one I need?

Also, I recently got a bunch of good drops and my only piece of equipment I'm not satisfied with right now is my weapon. I'm playing 1H + Shield and I ideally would want a Rapier but a Shortsword would work as well and a good Wakizashi might make the cut too. Also, weapons suffer from not getting a prefix more than armors or shields do (if my understanding is correct).
Basically, going for a Weapon has a fairly high chance to not get a good result. Should I try to find a weapon elsewhere and wait for one of my pieces of Shield/Armor to be outdated so I can go for that instead? I also don't know how common those coupons are, so I might just get enough to spam the Shrine until I get a good weapon.

Lastly, should I wait until I'm much higher level to use the coupon rather than using it at a stage where I still replace each piece of equipment every few days? Note that my overall goal is to level up fast to a level where I can earn a steady income.
That's a lot of questions so thanks is advance for taking your time to answer them!


festival coupon: untradable.

Use them for the equipment you want the most. If that's a legendary rapier, go for 1h weapon. Just hope for the best!

Use them now: low level weapons can be sold easily. High level weapons have less value. If you get a great weapon: just soulfuse. If not, then you just use what you get.

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post Sep 10 2022, 11:42
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QUOTE(Nashette @ Sep 10 2022, 15:34) *
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If your current weapon is below Magnificent quality, chances are you're going to get a upgrade. Otherwise, exchanging these Coupons for cloth armors seems the most sensible. You're guaranteed to earn at least a High-Grade Cloth (going for ±7.5k credits at the moment) that way.
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post Sep 10 2022, 19:05
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Thanks, went for a 1H Weapon and ended getting a pretty decent one.

Completely unrelated, but are Deprecating spells' accuracy tied to the Magic Accuracy stat?
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post Sep 10 2022, 19:25
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QUOTE(Nashette @ Sep 10 2022, 17:05) *

Thanks, went for a 1H Weapon and ended getting a pretty decent one.

Completely unrelated, but are Deprecating spells' accuracy tied to the Magic Accuracy stat?


Yes, your spells can miss if you're under 100%, but monsters can still evade if you're under 200%. If you use an Aether shard on your weapon, you get +50% magic accuracy for 1 hour. Monsters can still resist spells, but you can't do much about that as a 1H player. Couner-resist comes from proficiency factor and counter resist stat (only exists on staffs). IIRC, total counter resist = .5 * (prof - monster level) / monster level + (counter-resist on staff)
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post Sep 10 2022, 19:25
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QUOTE(Nashette @ Sep 10 2022, 18:05) *

Thanks, went for a 1H Weapon and ended getting a pretty decent one.

Completely unrelated, but are Deprecating spells' accuracy tied to the Magic Accuracy stat?


Yes, as well as counter-resist.
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post Sep 10 2022, 21:02
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For my Hath Perks, should I focus on purchasing the levels of a single Perk first, or should I gain different levels of multiple perks when I reach the minimum cost requirement?

For example: Should I get DD Lv. 2 and then DD Lv. 3, and so forth? Or should I get DD Lv. 2, then Crystarium Lv. 5?

I'm probably the last person that should answer this question but I have gotten some perks so I could tell you what my priority was at least.

Postage Paid is probably the most important, I think? Should probably be the first purchase and it's really cheap.

Soul Catcher was one of my first priorities since I mostly get the daily bonus most days so 10 soul fragments a day really adds up and it's a lot more than 0. Next Yakety Sax so I could escape without death 100% but realistically that one's not all that useful imo. The times I actually need to flee are very rare and you can just do it at the end of a round when nearly everything's dead and you're full HP.

In terms of play Innate Arcana helped me a lot. I've got up to Innate Arcana III. I use it for Spark of Life, Spirit Shield, and Shadow Veil. The first two are probably more important.

Getting Orbital Friendship Cannon should definitely be a priority too if you don't have it, though obviously not a hath perk.

Aside from that and what I was given from my gold star I've mostly gotten EXP bonuses. I've got up to the 75% one. And 252% atm through training.

Only getting as much hath as I get the Dæmon Duality ones would take literal ages. So I haven't even considered them.
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post Sep 10 2022, 22:03
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QUOTE(Futa Lord @ Sep 10 2022, 20:02) *

Soul Catcher was one of my first priorities since I mostly get the daily bonus most days so 10 soul fragments a day really adds up and it's a lot more than 0.


Just for clarification I'd like to note Soul Catcher is only worthwhile if you don't actually do your random encounters - it counts towards the cap of 60 per day.
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post Sep 10 2022, 22:59
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I saw in the note that coupon drop chance is related to token drop chance, does that means just like token, it is floor number related and not difficulty?
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post Sep 11 2022, 11:38
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QUOTE(Nezu @ Sep 10 2022, 21:03) *

Just for clarification I'd like to note Soul Catcher is only worthwhile if you don't actually do your random encounters - it counts towards the cap of 60 per day.


It is also worthwile if you plan to not log in for a few days, like holydays or vacation and such (or simply to detox from the game).

As it says in the perk description "Get 10 free soul fragments per day.
These are added automatically if you have opened HV at some point during the past 30 days."

And if you do your RE, but not much of them.

IMHO, it is especially good if you can get it early in the game when you're still relatively low level; later on it becomes increasingly less useful (until being completely useless at the end) simply because you start having more soulfrags then things to use them on. Therefore, it is more useful if you plan to be a slow riser in levels.

It is a waste if you plan to quickly reach lv.500 before starting to be serious about the game.

Anyway, I got it early in the game (against many advices) and I dont regret it a bit ... but I had already in mind not to raise too quickly and not to play too single-mindedly. Take my time, like. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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