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post Aug 24 2022, 20:46
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QUOTE(Hexxuus @ Aug 24 2022, 15:51) *

A quick question on experience gain within the game. When I hit level 345 I noticed I barely got any experience anymore, then I read on the wiki XP is 'normalized' when getting into the mid 300's

Does this mean all the credits I spend on 'adept learner' are essentially useless and without refund? Does this also apply to the hath-perks that grant bonus xp?

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you still get the benefits of adept learner and hath perks etc. It's just that your base exp is now stable. Then above your base exp, you get additional exp from your training and perks and awards and cookies and everything. And stars! Stars are a great way of increasing your EXP multiplier. Just for laughs: try to calculate the EXP multiplier of my account, based on full training, all hath perks, catgirl and shitload of awards.
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post Aug 24 2022, 21:00
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QUOTE(Noni @ Aug 24 2022, 20:46) *

It's just that your base exp is now stable. - and cookies and everything. And stars!


Oh dear, I didn't even know starts and cookies added to the multiplier. Then it makes sense why it's so easy for some people to reach level 500! Well if I just did the daily I would got that as well, but I always used sad panda as the default so I missed out on a lot of free points ^^

I don't even know what base XP is or how its different after 345. I always thought you got some 'base' xp from killing the monsters and then you get a multiplier from the difficulty. I'd like to donate again but I hate having to make a bitcoin wallet (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)


It had a large impact for me though. I have to grind hours for a level now.
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post Aug 25 2022, 10:22
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QUOTE(Hexxuus @ Aug 24 2022, 20:00) *

Oh dear, I didn't even know starts and cookies added to the multiplier. Then it makes sense why it's so easy for some people to reach level 500! Well if I just did the daily I would got that as well, but I always used sad panda as the default so I missed out on a lot of free points ^^

I don't even know what base XP is or how its different after 345. I always thought you got some 'base' xp from killing the monsters and then you get a multiplier from the difficulty. I'd like to donate again but I hate having to make a bitcoin wallet (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
It had a large impact for me though. I have to grind hours for a level now.
Thanks


Base exp is the amount monsters give before any other multipliers are taken into account.
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post Aug 27 2022, 20:48
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Hypothetically, let's say I have three (willow, if it matters) elemental staves of destruction. The first is 100% MDB and 0% EDB. The second is 50% MDB and 50% EDB. The last is 0% MDB and 100% EDB. How should I decide on the best one to upgrade and use? Will the answer change depending on the kind of cloth armor that's being used?
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post Aug 27 2022, 20:53
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QUOTE(GREGRE @ Aug 27 2022, 20:48) *

Hypothetically, let's say I have three (willow, if it matters) elemental staves of destruction. The first is 100% MDB and 0% EDB. The second is 50% MDB and 50% EDB. The last is 0% MDB and 100% EDB. How should I decide on the best one to upgrade and use? Will the answer change depending on the kind of cloth armor that's being used?

magic damage = MDB*(1+EDB/100)
so you need both. You can put this formula in a speadsheet if you want to see what's better

don't put the percental ranges in that formula, of course

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spell_Damage

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post Aug 28 2022, 00:07
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Absolute noob who recently switched from 2H/Light to 1H/Heavy.

Which of these 1H weapons seems the best?

Fine Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/9664392/84ef8ca6cf
Exquisite Fiery Rapier of the Vampire
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/283111312/d25753cf4a
Exquisite Shortsword of Slaughter
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/283265065/48a9b29310

I basically only do some Random Encounters and Arenas because I don't have that much free time, so I just use whatever gear I pick up instead of searching the markets.

My HP goes up and down a lot on Hell difficulty but as long as I keep my HP high, Spark of Life only procs very rarely. I often have to spam draughts but not pots. I've read on the Wiki that you need to play on at least Hell for a chance at getting the best quality random gear drops, so being able to comfortably play on Hell at least is my current goal.

EDIT: Someone suggested switching to good Plate for more defense instead of using Power, so I have attached a stats screenshot with what looks like the best Plate I have found. Advice on whether the damage tradeoff is worth it would also be great.

Any advice is appreciated, thanks.

Full stats with different weapons and currently used power armor:
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Shortsword with plate armor instead of power:
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post Aug 28 2022, 06:08
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For the Peerless Voucher that is given on Isekai mode, would it be better for me to turn it in there, or should I wait until the voucher appears on my Persistent page when the season ends?
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post Aug 28 2022, 07:53
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QUOTE(rinruririn @ Aug 28 2022, 00:07) *

Absolute noob who recently switched from 2H/Light to 1H/Heavy.

Which of these 1H weapons seems the best?

Fine Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/9664392/84ef8ca6cf
Exquisite Fiery Rapier of the Vampire
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/283111312/d25753cf4a
Exquisite Shortsword of Slaughter
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/283265065/48a9b29310

I basically only do some Random Encounters and Arenas because I don't have that much free time, so I just use whatever gear I pick up instead of searching the markets.

My HP goes up and down a lot on Hell difficulty but as long as I keep my HP high, Spark of Life only procs very rarely. I often have to spam draughts but not pots. I've read on the Wiki that you need to play on at least Hell for a chance at getting the best quality random gear drops, so being able to comfortably play on Hell at least is my current goal.

EDIT: Someone suggested switching to good Plate for more defense instead of using Power, so I have attached a stats screenshot with what looks like the best Plate I have found. Advice on whether the damage tradeoff is worth it would also be great.

Any advice is appreciated, thanks.

Full stats with different weapons and currently used power armor:
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Shortsword with plate armor instead of power:
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I'd use the exq. shortsword - that has the best stats. But that fine rapier is also, well, fine. The shortsword is a bit better.

Use the power armors, but you could replace ONE of your power armors with plate. Those legging for instance.

To play on higher difficulty than hell, IWBTH for instance, try:
- use sleep once per round as first move
- use weaken on all monsters
- use imperil when you unlock that skill
- IW your weapon to 10 (you can use your rapier for that)
- use an infusion on your weapon before you start
- forge your block and your weapon to 5
and then later, when you have the funds:
- forge your block to much higher. But you may want to find a better shield first. What works well for shields is to shrine some noodlies, there is a pretty good chance that you get a magnificent shield. But only do that if you can't find one for sale.


QUOTE(hentailover6983 @ Aug 28 2022, 06:08) *

For the Peerless Voucher that is given on Isekai mode, would it be better for me to turn it in there, or should I wait until the voucher appears on my Persistent page when the season ends?


Makes no difference, really... voucher is transferred, peerless is also transferred. Benefit of doing it in isekai is that you may get something that you can actually use in isekai. Me, I'm clearing SG arenas with a PTWD right now.

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post Aug 28 2022, 12:28
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QUOTE(Noni @ Aug 28 2022, 14:53) *

To play on higher difficulty than hell, IWBTH for instance, try:
- use sleep once per round as first move
- use weaken on all monsters
- use imperil when you unlock that skill
- IW your weapon to 10 (you can use your rapier for that)
- use an infusion on your weapon before you start
- forge your block and your weapon to 5
and then later, when you have the funds:
- forge your block to much higher. But you may want to find a better shield first. What works well for shields is to shrine some noodlies, there is a pretty good chance that you get a magnificent shield. But only do that if you can't find one for sale.


Thanks for the help! I've never spammed deprecative spells and only used Weak, Imperil and sometimes Blind on boss monsters until now. I'll try that on some Arenas with fewer rounds.
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post Aug 30 2022, 07:48
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QUOTE(rinruririn @ Aug 28 2022, 12:28) *

Thanks for the help! I've never spammed deprecative spells and only used Weak, Imperil and sometimes Blind on boss monsters until now. I'll try that on some Arenas with fewer rounds.

To be completely honest, they don't do a lot on low level anyways. Weaken however, when it does no longer have a cooldown, can be very useful to tackle content normally too hard. It's not gonna be fun, but possible. Imperil is the same. As long as it has a cooldown, or doesn't even hit 3 targets, it's basically not useful. Even after that however the miss-rate can be infuriating. And unlike Weaken, where you don't really need all things to get hit, Imperil is a bit different unless you run a Rapier.

All the deprec spells in the world usually only find big use once they are maxed and in extreme scenarios like the tower, where you NEED all you can have, regardless of how good it is.
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post Aug 31 2022, 03:02
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Before I use my amnesia shards on any of my equipment, the upgrades that come from IW are different each time, correct? I could potentially get something better or worse when compared to my originally upgraded gear?
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post Aug 31 2022, 03:07
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QUOTE(hentailover6983 @ Aug 30 2022, 21:02) *

Before I use my amnesia shards on any of my equipment, the upgrades that come from IW are different each time, correct? I could potentially get something better or worse when compared to my originally upgraded gear?

Yes, it's random each time.
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post Aug 31 2022, 23:26
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Is Club of the Nimble still undesirable for DW? I wanted to play Club/Rapier or Club/Shortsword but my recent drops had the wrong suffixes (Nimble for Club, Slaughter for Rapier/SS)
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post Sep 1 2022, 04:38
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QUOTE(Noni @ Aug 27 2022, 22:53) *


To play on higher difficulty than hell, IWBTH for instance, try:
- use sleep once per round as first move
- use weaken on all monsters
- use imperil when you unlock that skill
- IW your weapon to 10 (you can use your rapier for that)
- use an infusion on your weapon before you start


Well Sleep is certainly an game changer, but the mana cost for using all of these spells is kinda insane with 1H heavy armor
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post Sep 1 2022, 08:18
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QUOTE(Xylem Beer @ Aug 31 2022, 23:26) *

Is Club of the Nimble still undesirable for DW? I wanted to play Club/Rapier or Club/Shortsword but my recent drops had the wrong suffixes (Nimble for Club, Slaughter for Rapier/SS)

a lot of combinations work. Club of the nimble would work as well. There is a difference between: "doesn't work" and "not the optimal setup". Club of the nimble would be not the optimal setup. But it would still work. When it comes for prices, then nimble club is a hard sell....
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post Sep 1 2022, 15:14
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QUOTE(Xylem Beer @ Aug 31 2022, 22:26) *

Is Club of the Nimble still undesirable for DW? I wanted to play Club/Rapier or Club/Shortsword but my recent drops had the wrong suffixes (Nimble for Club, Slaughter for Rapier/SS)


The parry roll on a nimble club is really low, so the suffix doesn't really offer much value at all... yes, I would consider it still undesirable. Balance clubs might make a passable placeholder.

You can play with a slaughter rapier/SS in the main-hand, and a wakizashi in the offhand. It's not as good for damage as club/rapier, but it's much more defensive, so it might be a worthy trade-off for you.
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post Sep 1 2022, 17:56
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How do multi-target effects work around the top and bottom monsters? I used to think I knew, but it's seemed random to me lately. What I thought: effects spread out from the targeted monster, and if that would take it off the list then it just has fewer targets.

Example:
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A  *                                                               A *    <---targeted with Frenzied Blows
B  *    <---targeted with Frenzied Blows                           B *  
C  *                                                               C *
D  *                                                               D
E                                                                  E
F                                                                  F

Now it seems like it always spreads out across (in this case) five monster slots no matter where I aim. Is that new behavior, not actually how it works, or something I've misunderstood all along?
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post Sep 1 2022, 18:25
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QUOTE(garrabar @ Sep 1 2022, 11:56) *

How do multi-target effects work around the top and bottom monsters?

If I remember correctly (and it's been awhile), frenzied blows work the same as spells. If you target the top monster, you get the maximum possible targets, five in this case. At the bottom, the monster that you target is in the center of the group that takes damage, so you would have three targets if you attack the bottom monster, and four if you attack the monster just above the bottom.

edit: Unless you only have five monsters, in which case all take damage.

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post Sep 1 2022, 19:40
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QUOTE(garrabar @ Sep 1 2022, 15:56) *

How do multi-target effects work around the top and bottom monsters? I used to think I knew, but it's seemed random to me lately. What I thought: effects spread out from the targeted monster, and if that would take it off the list then it just has fewer targets.

Example:
CODE
A  *                                                               A *    <---targeted with Frenzied Blows
B  *    <---targeted with Frenzied Blows                           B *  
C  *                                                               C *
D  *                                                               D
E                                                                  E
F                                                                  F

Now it seems like it always spreads out across (in this case) five monster slots no matter where I aim. Is that new behavior, not actually how it works, or something I've misunderstood all along?


From what I can tell, it works like this:

If the action can hit N monsters and there is N or fewer monsters in the round, all monsters get hit regardless of which one is targeted
Otherwise if the action can hit N monsters and there are more than N monsters in the round, then...
---> If the action hits N monsters and the monster targeted less than or equal to N/2 positions from the top (i.e. the action hits 5 and you target the second from the top), then the action hits the top 5.
---> Otherwise, the action will spread up and down from the monster you target, regardless of how many monsters are below (i.e. if there are 8 monsters and you target the bottom with an action that hits 5, only the bottom and two above will get hit since there are no monsters below the bottom)

If the action can only hit two monsters, then it will hit the monster you target and the one above, using the same rules as above.

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post Sep 2 2022, 02:57
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What stats should I be going for with a 1H, shield, heavy armor build?
Is there an optimal ratio?
I can complete all of the content available at my lvl (237) on IWBTH, but it requires paying close attention to my resources. Should I be playing at a lower difficulty?
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