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May I ask, should I try to stall my progress in persistent mode for a while and wait till i finished all of the upgrade on quartermaster and luck of the draw? Meanwhile i can try to farm isekai mode. Level 250 is drawing closer and I probably won't get decent equipment to challenge PFUDOR mode at this rate. My plan is switch back to normal difficulty for less exp gain and only do daily stages that give trophy.

Doesn't matter. The normal drop-rate of good equip is atrociously low. Most you will get from the bonus in RE or clear bonuses on later arenas. That or trophies. In your case your best bet are noddles from the level 200 rob, ideally @iwbth difficutly. Level 225 and 250 arena @Iwbth difficulty is the next goal. This difficulty maximizes the clear bonus tier of those to tier 6.

As of 300 you will only have pfudor enforced arenas. Either you can do them, or you can't.

May I ask, should I try to stall my progress in persistent mode for a while and wait till i finished all of the upgrade on quartermaster and luck of the draw? Meanwhile i can try to farm isekai mode. Level 250 is drawing closer and I probably won't get decent equipment to challenge PFUDOR mode at this rate. My plan is switch back to normal difficulty for less exp gain and only do daily stages that give trophy.

as you are not a donator, trading in isekai is limited for you. You can't attach equipment. However, with the new Market in place, you can create some income. This will allow you to soulfuse a good piece of equipment from isekai to persistent. But all in all, persistent is a quicker way to make credits.

Normal difficulty, I would not do that. You will miss out on a lot of equipment drops. Also, DWD is fixed to PFUDOR diff anyway. If you play at high diff, you will level up a bit faster, which helps to get to lv310 where you unlock imperil. And imperil speeds up your game play, for almost all styles

At around what level are most 1H melee players able to play most rounds on PFUDOR without dying?

It's possible below 250 with enough expertise and masochism, but 250 provides a big increase in survivability due to certain abilities fully unlocking: 1H block, Faster Weaken, and Better Weaken. 1H block gives a sizable defense boost, and fully upgrading weaken lets you spam it with no cooldown and hitting three monsters at a time, significantly decreasing the damage you take.

At super low levels debuffs are not very good, because you don't have enough mana even for your buffs, let alone debuffs. (Mana expenditure for buffs effectively decreases linearly with level, because buff durations increase linearly with level. Mana expenditure for one-time use spells like Cure, and debuffs, effectively are almost constant with your level in terms of their percentage drain on your total available mana).

I might argue that surviving on PFUDOR comfortably at super low level without dying means no Weaken usage. (This is not necessarily true for Tower or Item World, because you will likely need to be a bit less low level to PFUDOR those, and debuffs are likewise somewhat more viable, and some potion chugging is to be expected). I might also prefer that barely surviving as 1H on PFUDOR arenas entails no Spirit Shield usage, because Spirit Shield sucks at very low level for various math reasons (again, this argument does not extend to Tower or Item World).

I forget exactly when my 1H is viable at PFUDOR in Isekai, but it can be as low as level 50~150 if you've dropped good enough equipment. In Isekai this is difficult because you level up so fast. I would imagine that in Persistent, a target goal should be level 100~150 assuming you are leveling slowly and taking care to try to get good equipment.

There are big bonuses to 1H at level 250 as mentioned (3 counter attacks, block chance ability, and this is also when 1H tends to reach the maximum 30% overwhelming strikes and 75% counter-attack chance) so that's the point where 1H should be easily PFUDORing everything, possibly even Item World. Level 250 is when I usually switch from DW to 1H in isekai. But 1H can PFUDOR everything sooner if you've started out as 1H from the beginning.

This post has been edited by BlueWaterSplash: Jul 16 2022, 06:50

At super low levels debuffs are not very good, because you don't have enough mana even for your buffs, let alone debuffs. (Mana expenditure for buffs effectively decreases linearly with level, because buff durations increase linearly with level. Mana expenditure for one-time use spells like Cure, and debuffs, effectively are almost constant with your level in terms of their percentage drain on your total available mana).

I might argue that surviving on PFUDOR comfortably at super low level without dying means no Weaken usage. (This is not necessarily true for Tower or Item World, because you will likely need to be a bit less low level to PFUDOR those, and debuffs are likewise somewhat more viable, and some potion chugging is to be expected). I might also prefer that barely surviving as 1H on PFUDOR arenas entails no Spirit Shield usage, because Spirit Shield sucks at very low level for various math reasons (again, this argument does not extend to Tower or Item World).

I forget exactly when my 1H is viable at PFUDOR in Isekai, but indeed it can be as low as level 100~250 if you've dropped good enough equipment. In Isekai this is difficult because you level up so fast. I would imagine that in Persistent, a target goal should be level 100~150 assuming you are leveling slowly and taking care to try to get good equipment.

There are big bonuses to 1H at level 250 as mentioned (3 counter attacks, block chance ability, and this is also when 1H tends to reach the maximum 30% overwhelming strikes and 75% counter-attack chance) so that's the point where 1H should be easily PFUDORing everything, possibly even Item World. Level 250 is when I usually switch from DW to 1H in isekai. But 1H can PFUDOR everything sooner if you've started out as 1H from the beginning.

I don't agree with various of these opinions.

Debuffs do work suck at low level, but you always need them if you want to rush high difficulty at low level, in Isekai some guys may even burn elixirs to use them.
And it's pretty difficult for 1H to survive without Spirit Shield too, of cause it work suck at the begining, but burning SP or die, that's all. And you won't have Spirit Shield until lv.200, so there is no really "Spirit Shield at low level".

I don't think comfortably means no Weakens too, in Persistent even when I reach lv.400 I still use Weaken in RE all the time. I can of cause surive without that, but I don't think stop to use cure at the middle of battle is comfortabler than use Weaken at the begining, as long as I feel need I always cast some.

In Isekai I guess the normal skilled players should turn to PF at lv.200 because they unlock Spirit Shield, but they still need debuffs and even burning elixirs. The more common players should turn after lv.250, with Spirit Shield and Weaken mostly.

I don't agree with that you can do better in Persistent than in Isekai too. Just a mention the Isekai have the full loot trainings which about 1.875x base equipments chance than a beginer in Persistent, and times 5x early bird bonus, so you get tons more equipments than in Persistent. Also everyone in Isekai start with same level so you can get lots of suitable equipment in shop, but in Persistent you only have a tiny chance to pickup suitable equipment in bazzar. Of cause if you're super rich then the Persistent have no any limit for you, you can sell some stars and buy tons of trophies and you will able to do everything

This post has been edited by what_is_name: Jul 16 2022, 07:45

At around what level are most 1H melee players able to play most rounds on PFUDOR without dying?

For me, it was at level 265 which granted me Spirit Shield lvl 4 that I went all in PFUDOR without the need for Weaken/Silence. The only debuff I needed was Silence on FSM for safety. I also ceased casting Haste+Shadow Veil after lvl 310 while trying to maximize my clearing speed with no cd Imperil.

All of that was before I became a donator, without any outside wealthy funding, except for free consumables from various Free shops and 1 borrowed Pony Figurine set for OFC.

This post has been edited by Little Goat: Jul 16 2022, 10:50

I see, thanks.

For me, it was at level 265 which granted me Spirit Shield lvl 4 that I went all in PFUDOR without the need for Weaken/Silence.

Wow. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I'm at 280 and wouldn't be able to handle a PFUDOR Arena without Weaken. Even REs without Weaken would be somewhat unnerving. Did you have some legendaries by that point? Or just great Magnificent gear which you had IWed, maybe? I bleed about 10-15 Mana Draughts and 5-10 Spirit Draughts per Arena...

Wow. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I'm at 280 and wouldn't be able to handle a PFUDOR Arena without Weaken. Even REs without Weaken would be somewhat unnerving. Did you have some legendaries by that point? Or just great Magnificent gear which you had IWed, maybe? I bleed about 10-15 Mana Draughts and 5-10 Spirit Draughts per Arena...

you can play on pfudor with exq/mag plate. The key is on your weapons, just forge the parry and block as much as you can.

Wow. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I'm at 280 and wouldn't be able to handle a PFUDOR Arena without Weaken. Even REs without Weaken would be somewhat unnerving. Did you have some legendaries by that point? Or just great Magnificent gear which you had IWed, maybe? I bleed about 10-15 Mana Draughts and 5-10 Spirit Draughts per Arena...

I only had my Exquisite Demonic Rapier of Slaughter soulfused and IW10 for void strike. For shield+armors, iirc, half Exquisite, half Magnificent Power, force shield with block upgrades, no IW (not worth the effort). Like lololo16 said, you should upgrade the parry on your weapon and block on shield for more defense + counter-attack/stun.

Did you cast all 7 buffs? Casting all of them can be a big pain buy they're vital for survival. Getting IA1+2 is a big help and IA3 if you can afford.

Don't be afraid to use consumables as much as you need. They're meant to be used and cheap, some players give them away for free.

Scripts, like Monsterbation, are real game changers. Install them asap if you have not done so already.

This post has been edited by Little Goat: Jul 17 2022, 09:01

you can play on pfudor with exq/mag plate. The key is on your weapons, just forge the parry and block as much as you can.

Like lololo16 said, you should upgrade the parry on your weapon and block on shield for more defense + counter-attack/stun.

Already have damage, parry, block, and mitigation forged to lvl5, but I'll start forging block and parry further. Made the mistake of estimating their binding prices from that of Binding of Slaughter... instead of, y'know, just looking at the prices.

I only had my Exquisite Demonic Rapier of Slaughter soulfused and IW10 for void strike. For shield+armors, iirc, half Exquisite, half Magnificent Power, force shield with block upgrades, no IW (not worth the effort).

Using a Magnificent Arctic Shortsword of Slaughter. Would an Exquisite Rapier (of Slaughter) be better?

Did you cast all 7 buffs? Casting all of them can be a big pain buy they're vital for survival. Getting IA1+2 is a big help and IA3 if you can afford.

I have IA3 (Spark of Life, Spirit Shield, Protection). Regen and Heartseeker are always on. Haste is on ~90% of the time, although I haven't seen it make much of a difference (it's maxed). Didn't realize Shadow Veil bonus was additive. I'll start raising that too. Might swap it for Protection, considering the latter is less tedious to cast.

Don't be afraid to use consumables as much as you need. They're meant to be used and cheap, some players give them away for free.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I don't skimp out. Just gave it as a metric. Clear time isn't that useful as my connection isn't great.

Thanks for all the suggestions. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

-Is there any recommended monster in the monster lab?
Quite confused with everything still, lol

-Should I try highest difficulty ASAP? I recall reading that I shouldn't level up too fast.
(though I can't even survive PFUDOR right now, anyway)

-What are these levels unassigned for in equips?

Just got back as well into it.

This post has been edited by nimura: Jul 17 2022, 15:48

-Is there any recommended monster in the monster lab?
Quite confused with everything still, lol

-Should I try highest difficulty ASAP? I recall reading that I shouldn't level up too fast.
(though I can't even survive PFUDOR right now, anyway)

-What are these levels unassigned for in equips?

Just got back as well into it.

- doesn't matter at all in practice. Just get a bit of everything, and keep them at powerlevel 25, that's the best return on investment for a while. Maybe upgrade Scavenger a bit on them. Type does not matter. Some do more damage to mages, some to melee, you need to have a monster in the battle to win, and if everyone has the same type, there is less chance of getting into that round.
- Benefit of not leveling up fast is that your legendaries are more valuable, but with the new core system any legendary has value. So for me, I'd say level up fast and get access to more profitable arenas, better abilities and more gear in shops. Get gold star for more exp!
- Survive at Pfudor: play 1h. Forge the block on your shield more. Forge the parry on your weapon more. Repeat until you can play PFUDOR. Also, you can almost always survive PFUDOR if you use weaken, and maybe sleep on 3 monsters + silence on 3 monsters. They can't kill you that fast.
- Just that really low quality equip isn't bound to level when it drops. If you buy them from bazaar and equip them, they will automatically get your level - they will not scale up when you level up. But, 'average' is really bad anyway.

How to even get gold star?

Hmm.. is there any specific stat assignment recommendation for 1H?

Along with abilities to get

This post has been edited by nimura: Jul 17 2022, 19:10

How to even get gold star?

Hmm.. is there any specific stat assignment recommendation for 1H?

Along with abilities to get

with BTC -> donate to e-hentai. 100USD worth of BTC will buy you a gold star
or with credits: about 100-120m will buy you a gold star from another player

Stats: No INT (1h is dumb style, apparently), STR, DEX, END equal, WIS, AGI a bit lower than STRDEXEND

Abilities: how about the abilities for 1h and for heavy armor? Also get weaken and imperil.


This post has been edited by Noni: Jul 17 2022, 19:32

with BTC -> donate to e-hentai. 100USD worth of BTC will buy you a gold star
or with credits: about 100-120m will buy you a gold star from another player

Stats: No INT (1h is dumb style, apparently), STR, DEX, END equal, WIS, AGI a bit lower than STRDEXEND

Abilities: how about the abilities for 1h and for heavy armor? Also get weaken and imperil.

100-120m credits dayum. Well, will think about it.

How do I get sleep or silence again? I d on't think I have both in my skills. Is it level locked or opened on abilities?

How do I get sleep or silence again? I d on't think I have both in my skills. Is it level locked or opened on abilities?

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spells#Deprecating_Spells

I've been reading some of the guides but I've not seen much on the arenas of lv 225 and 250

They are full of system monsters that take a while to kill and require "actual effort" at least to me. All other arenas are kinda automatic in what I do, but the abundance of system monsters makes it so they take from 30 minutes to an hour.

It's not like I care too much about my time (I've read the guide about TPS) but are there some strategies against system monsters so I can kill them faster and with less effort? I've not tried that many stuffs, but I've been inperiling them and stuff like that which kinda speeds it up (and is not that much effort to press one spell). I mean actual gameplay strategies not just improving the speed of the game or using scripts, which I already read about.

Thanks for the help and the guides all around the forum and wiki, it's great (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by Byza: Jul 17 2022, 21:55

I've been reading some of the guides but I've not seen much on the arenas of lv 225 and 250

They are full of system monsters that take a while to kill and require "actual effort" at least to me. All other arenas are kinda automatic in what I do, but the abundance of system monsters makes it so they take from 30 minutes to an hour.

It's not like I care too much about my time (I've read the guide about TPS) but are there some strategies against system monsters so I can kill them faster and with less effort? I've not tried that many stuffs, but I've been inperiling them and stuff like that which kinda speeds it up (and is not that much effort to press one spell). I mean actual gameplay strategies not just improving the speed of the game or using scripts, which I already read about.

Thanks for the help and the guides all around the forum and wiki, it's great (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

If you're 1H, using Vital Strike on stunned monsters does a bunch of damage. Focus your attacks on boss mobs while your counter attacks deal damage to the rest, then use Vital Strike on the boss once its stunned. It takes practice to do this efficiently, but ideally you want the Vital Strike to take their health down to nearly zero. If it kills, you potentially wasted some turns. If it doesn't the bleed will probably kill them.