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When you're low level and don't have many chaos tokens, is it best to get more monsters first or upgrade Scavenger for better gifts? Is it best to max out monster slots before beginning to upgrade Scavenger?

When you're low level and don't have many chaos tokens, is it best to get more monsters first or upgrade Scavenger for better gifts? Is it best to max out monster slots before beginning to upgrade Scavenger?

Get more slot will be the best choice. With spark of life and spirit shield, player's very very rare to be killed by monster.

Get more slot will be the best choice. With spark of life and spirit shield, player's very very rare to be killed by monster.

I disagree
as three day drop are also affected by Scavenger.

The very first level of Scavenger worth more than a new monster.
1 token with a chance of double reward.

Further monster requires dozens of token,
Scavenger only take less than ten. This could be on balance.
As I do not level up my monster more than my morale does. So it takes a long time to next level of Scavenger.
So, I will naturally take Scavenger first.

I don't install flash many years ago. But I think browser is very low usage and should be very different to flash.

Not about the memory.
But the registry behind.

This is my current gear.

Legendary Fiery Redwood Staff of Destruction
Legendary Charged Cotton Cap of the Elementalist
Legendary Charged Phase Robe of Surtr
Legendary Charged Phase Gloves of Surtr
Legendary Radiant Phase Pants of Surtr
Legendary Frugal Cotton Shoes of the Elementalist

Currently, I still need to drink mana elixirs in arenas from time to time in order to not run out of mana, even if I constantly drink draughts and potions. Is this normal? If not, is there something I can improve in my gear? If I don't care too much about doing grindfest with this, would trying to switch to radiants help me?

This is my current gear.

Legendary Fiery Redwood Staff of Destruction
Legendary Charged Cotton Cap of the Elementalist
Legendary Charged Phase Robe of Surtr
Legendary Charged Phase Gloves of Surtr
Legendary Radiant Phase Pants of Surtr
Legendary Frugal Cotton Shoes of the Elementalist

Currently, I still need to drink mana elixirs in arenas from time to time in order to not run out of mana, even if I constantly drink draughts and potions. Is this normal? If not, is there something I can improve in my gear? If I don't care too much about doing grindfest with this, would trying to switch to radiants help me?

- this is normal yes.

- Improvement: forge your pants and robe. In fact, forge the shit out of all your gear. And replace your frugal shoes for charged. Radiants will help, but forging will help a lot more.

- this is normal yes.

- Improvement: forge your pants and robe. In fact, forge the shit out of all your gear. And replace your frugal shoes for charged. Radiants will help, but forging will help a lot more.

Thanks. I've been a little fearful of forging, especially since phazons aren't exactly cheap. Would I get more mileage out of forging my non-phase pieces first, or is the EDB bonus worth the price?

This post has been edited by GREGRE: May 20 2022, 19:32

Thanks. I've been a little fearful of forging, especially since phazons aren't exactly cheap. Would I get more mileage out of forging my non-phase pieces first, or is the EDB bonus worth the price?

mage is expensive. Best thing you can do is to use Scremaz' forge calculator (in his sig) and see the effect of forging EDB vs adding a radiant

For my Rapier, should I continue upgrading my Parry and Crit Chance stats, or should I just focus on maxing out the primary stat boosts?

Hit Chance doesn't seem necessary since I am already over the 200% accuracy stat line.

For my Rapier, should I continue upgrading my Parry and Crit Chance stats, or should I just focus on maxing out the primary stat boosts?

Hit Chance doesn't seem necessary since I am already over the 200% accuracy stat line.

It's not that you should do it, 1h can be played just fine with only forging your shield, but any of those upgrades will give you a slight improvement in clear times. Crits are good to kill things faster, which helps against tanky mobs. Parry helps to reduce cures in extreme difficulties. Primary stat boosts help either attach or defense.

For my Rapier, should I continue upgrading my Parry and Crit Chance stats, or should I just focus on maxing out the primary stat boosts?

Hit Chance doesn't seem necessary since I am already over the 200% accuracy stat line.

I doubt that parry matters at your level. Most of it will come from dex. Crit Chance is always good, but you won't get much from upgrades. PAs are a mixed bag. They have pretty diminishing value, and once they get past 1k or so, there's little they do. Dex still offers good parry (and crit) though once you have "enough" there's not much you will feel from it anymore, while endurance is endurance with its busted mitigation formula making players (and monsters) automatically tankier as you get higher level. But strength becomes really lackluster. While at first you can get like 2 damage or so alone from it, it ends up being below 1 eventually, and all that's left is minor influence on crit-rate (dex gives double, and parry). Strength and Intelligence both suffer from really bad late-game scaling.


Let's just say there's a reason why 1h ends up talking only about ADB and nothing else. While early on this is definitely different, at some point you really don't get much out of anything but ADB.

This post has been edited by killi890: May 21 2022, 11:30

When is the optimal level for clearing arena at pfudor difficulty? Is it possible to do around low level (<150)? The wiki says fights will be significant harder around level 150+ so is this a pipe dream with my current pace?

My current build is duel wield using average quality equipment: light leather armor, club on main hand, and shortsword offhand. The best I could do was surviving 7 rounds in A Rolling Stone at IWBTH before running out of MP and dying because can't cure and couldn't use my pots because it's in cooldown. What do?

There is no optimal level, it's just a problem that how good equips you can get and how well your experience is. But basically it's difficult for a low level player to get good equips, even in Isekai with far more equips to use in low level it's difficult to clear pf ar in less than lv.150 I think. And there is quite few DW tutorials
fights will be significant harder around level 150+ is not that true, it actually means as long as the monster have a spirit bar then it will suddently become dangerous for you, and as the monsters getting stronger these days you will encounter monsters with spirit bar in maybe lv.100 at pfudor or even lower.
Well as you cannot surive in the 3 monsters round so it's impossible for you to do it now. For DW I can only give you a tip: try learn to well use Frenzied Blows, it can help you surive in the high monsters round.

This post has been edited by what_is_name: May 21 2022, 18:36

When is the optimal level for clearing arena at pfudor difficulty? Is it possible to do around low level (<150)? The wiki says fights will be significant harder around level 150+ so is this a pipe dream with my current pace?

My current build is duel wield using average quality equipment: light leather armor, club on main hand, and shortsword offhand. The best I could do was surviving 7 rounds in A Rolling Stone at IWBTH before running out of MP and dying because can't cure and couldn't use my pots because it's in cooldown. What do?

it is possible, but you need to know what you're doing. Using DW, you need a rapier and a wakizashi of the nimble, even a Superior one helps a lot. Forge the parry on the waki, it's not expensive anyway. Also, you need exquisite and magniificent leather/shade (the more PABs the better). Use frienzied blows + spirit stance as much as you can, use weaken once or twice if there are 6 or more monsters...

Thanks for the replies. It looks like I need better equipment, exquisite or better for leather armor and correct set of weapons + relevant upgrades. I forgot to mention I also play 1H on my other persona using a shortsword with mostly average plate armor (some are superior). But the advice is probably the same: need better equips.

I can only get average equips from bazaars since higher quality equips are too high level. Other than grinding random encounter and daily arena, what else can I do to get higher quality equip drops (and isn't a huge credit sink)?

fights will be significant harder around level 150+ is not that true

It may not be level specific, but before getting to level 300 or so, pfudor WILL be significantly harder than past that. Eventually PL maxes out regardless of difficulty, but on low level (which includes level 150), the difference in PL is MASSIVE. Completely aside of pfudor already being a pretty big bump in difficulty, the PL difference has massive influence in this game.

Only extremely early (the first couple of levels) you can actually stand against pfudor to an extend. But that quickly changes until you get the right equip and/or the right level. I know some did it around low 200s, but that requires either a LOT of patience with good gear or REALLY good gear with lot's of upgrades.

Personally I like to have max spirit shield, and generally think IWBTH is a much better idea for quite a while. There's VERY little gain from playing pfudor over IWBTH in this game, unless the arena enforces it (lvl 300+). You get the best clear rewards on anything not pfudor enforced with IWBTH, and normal equip drops are very rarely legendary anyway. If you struggle too much, it's not worth doing outside of RE. RE@pfudor are a good idea in general though.

This post has been edited by killi890: May 22 2022, 00:26

It may not be level specific, but before getting to level 300 or so, pfudor WILL be significantly harder than past that. Eventually PL maxes out regardless of difficulty, but on low level (which includes level 150), the difference in PL is MASSIVE. Completely aside of pfudor already being a pretty big bump in difficulty, the PL difference has massive influence in this game.
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Well the wiki said there is a formula for Monster PL vs. Player Level, but the formula in wiki is absolutly wrong for today, I remembered I encountered PL2250 monster before level 200 or so, but I'm not that sure about the exact level. After the late level 200ish there is no difference for encounter monsters between level 500, the difference is only from your gear and level scaling

RE@pfudor are a good idea in general though.

RE@pfudor is harder than in arena I think

This post has been edited by what_is_name: May 22 2022, 05:38

Well the wiki said there is a formula for Monster PL vs. Player Level, but the formula in wiki is absolutly wrong for today, I remembered I encountered PL2250 monster before level 200 or so, but I'm not that sure about the exact level.

On pfudor you get there first. Every difficulty lower gets there later and later. This is definitely still the case past 200. Even at 300, low difficulties aren't max PL, though really just low ones.

RE@pfudor is harder than in arena I think

The thing that can make it harder is getting 10 enemies round 1. But given that enemies do usually not use skills immediately, you have some time to get debuffs and/or buffs going. Of course, at too low level and with not enough auto buffs this can be not enough.
If you can't do it, you can't do it. However there's still a difference slogging through a pfudor arena weakening every enemy on the way being slow compared to doing the same in 1 random encounter.

In my opinion at least there's more than just "can you do it". How reasonably you can do something also matters. 1h can do a whole lot very early on. But do you want to do that?

How's high level player deal with the trophy? Didn't see they sell it and the price just go lower and lower these days.🙄

The thing that can make it harder is getting 10 enemies round 1.

That's for 1H. For DW with well manage overcharge and skills you don't need to stand with too many enemies in arena, at least don't need to stand for too long. The same to mage. For the playstyle which rely on fast clear speed to surive, spend more time to clear means more dangurous. Well as you get stronger it will become less matter, and for 1H the only matter is if you are tanky enough

Does OFC damage has anything to do with weapon&armor damage?

If not, I’m thinking about sticking to my junk plate armors and use SGs to recharge my OFC in arenas…