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Apr 8 2022, 04:39
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bloggbigg
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QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Apr 7 2022, 18:38)  Main purpose of Isekai mode (it was openly declared by Tenboro in the initial post of the first season) was and is to test new features in a separate "world" from main HV, so as not to disrupt anything in Persistent. At season's end some of the novelties are then integrated in Persistent.
Secondary purpose (way LESS important) was to give something new & different to do for people who had already reached most of their goals in Persistent; i.e. the possibility of starting again from level zero (why? call it nostalgy, call it forgotness, a lot like just that) while eventually getting some little additional benefit for Persistent too (like +1,2,3 bonus for Tower).
It has never been intended as an easier or richer version of the game; quite the opposite, a lot of people who reach high tower level in Isekai use millions of Persistent credits to buy equips and items; especially at seasons start, prices for almost anything in Isekai are much higher then in Persistent.
If you are looking for cash, a better strategy is playing Isekai a lot at seasons start with whatever equip you have, avoid the Tower, sell everything you drop ASAP, dont forge nor soulfuse. After about a month or so when reached L.250, farm the Scoolgirls arena for trophies, either to sell or to shrine.
If you don't have time to play both Persistent and Isekai, better to concentrate in scaling up in Persistent, and forget Isekai for a while, its not (still) for you.
The designers 'statement of intent' in designing his game- specifically 'guinea pigging' players- has nothing to do with whether the design is actually onerous- intentionally or not. It also has little to do with whether people can 'enjoy it despite any mistakes', or 'dislike it despite things (theoretically) working as planned'. No one said it is easier or richer. Actually- it is 'richer'- just only for 6 months. It's not 'harder', though- just more grindy- and the fact that people 'buff up' by 'pulling from outside the ecosystem' pretty much just proving the 'test' is a fail. 'Giving endgame players...' (my phrasing) whether that's true or not doesn't matter- they let anyone play anyway. 'So what'. you start over. 'So what' the rules are different. my point is the rules (or goals) need tweaking. It's obvious you didn't fully read my post, as you just listed back at me the points on Isekai that I took a lot of playtime to find out, and stated in my post. The point in both cases (to me) is no-one should have to play for x months to find out these serious issues in the game that might have prevented you from playing if you knew. or at least would have seriously influenced your strategy. If everything you say is true- Isekai still isn't new. There should be feedback (and changes?) for at least two runs already. I don't know how this 'test' is supposed to run- but if hardcore people are twinking characters by leveraging via Persistent assets- it's neither a 'separate world', nor is it 'succeeding on it's own merits'. Those are both factors that indicate that the contrary is true- and if the goal is won by people who are strong in persistent, exchanging beyond the game-- then that leaves everyone else dissatisfied in yet another way (if they were even trying to begin with). You guys are acting like this isn't a 'grind for gear' game. It's not much more. If you break that by not giving gear for grinding, then somewhere, someone missed the point- and it's not me. Nostalgia? 'Test'? Whatever. if players put in months of play, they should have something worth 'months of play' to show for it- not just the 'top players' (who used outside influence to win). But it's easier to just think of me as disgruntled because I didn't get my way- so keep doing that. Nothing to do with over-restrictive design that doesn't reward effort, nope...
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Apr 8 2022, 04:56
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bloggbigg
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QUOTE(what_is_name @ Apr 7 2022, 21:34)  To be clear, Tenboro do design the soulfusing in Isekai to be a ISK credit sinker, it do mean to burn your ISK by intentionally. There are far more complains at first, it's impossible for your paper to change Tenboro's mind.
If that's true I don't know what to tell you, or why this is a 'test' if feedback is ignored. This isn't even rocket science- the time investment to get an item of quality soulfused will never equal it's worth- it'll always be a loss for the player. If he's ok with that- 'more power to you'. QUOTE(what_is_name @ Apr 7 2022, 21:34)  For brining magnificents from Isekai? I don't think it's a good idea. Most legenderies not even worth 250k in Persistent, not to say the magnificents. I think lots of people even salvage their soulbould equips at the end of season
Of course it's not a good idea- because of the cost that was 'intentionally decided to burn your ISK'. Of course people complained- because it's an unreasonably high cost. We're going in circles despite you proving my point. The game auto-salvages at the end anyway- so it's not like you have a choice. If you can't take it with you, it becomes a piddly amount of ISK- Worse because it probably 'consumed' a bunch of other equips as you unknowingly forge upgraded it. it's all designs to troll the player... who's 'testing' the game for him- though he won't listen to complaints? Makes no sense to me. QUOTE For fun? I don't think so, too. Not to say the Isekai, the whole Hentaiverse is not fun
Dunno who's idea it was to think that games could be 'fun'- but I'd agree that the HV seems to make little effort at achieving that goal. This post has been edited by bloggbigg: Apr 8 2022, 04:58
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Apr 8 2022, 06:38
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QUOTE(bloggbigg @ Apr 8 2022, 10:56)  -snap-
Let's tell you why people salvage their soulbund equips at the end of the season: because the value of equips that transfer to Persistent don't even worth more than salvage them in Isekai. I can say even the soulfusing cost of magnificent equip drop down to 50k most people still will not soulfuse them to Persistent. People complain about soulfusing cost before Tenboro say equips can bring to Persistent, they complain because they want to use them in Isekai not because they want to bring to Persistent, and the cost have actually already halve after complain. I can't explain the reason for why burn your ISK as I'm neither Tenboro nor an economist, but the truth is that most equips are not worth to bring to Persistent and most people can earn more than they need in Isekai, unless you want to climb floor 100 in the Tower. For your problem, instead of complain the soulfusing cost in Isekai you should learn how to efficiently play arena. Once you reach lv.300 and can clear DwD then you can get magnificent equip everyday and soon you will understand why they don't worth to soulfuse to bring to Persistent, and you will able to earn enough credit to soulfuse the really useful equip too. People are telling you how to earn more but you just ignore them and focusing on the cost of soulfusing
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Apr 8 2022, 10:22
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QUOTE(hentailover6983 @ Apr 8 2022, 03:06)  I am currently holding off on shrining any of my trophies in Persistent, since I am just under the 10 mil credit submission and I seek out getting the Snowflake perk in order to get a Peerless.
For my current stock, should I simply sell them off for more credits in the auctions, or should I hold onto them?
Pretty sure I've read somewhere it's retroactive. Probably look at the wiki or something. Not vouching for it. QUOTE(bloggbigg @ Apr 8 2022, 04:39)  The designers 'statement of intent' in designing his game- specifically 'guinea pigging' players- has nothing to do with whether the design is actually onerous- intentionally or not. It also has little to do with whether people can 'enjoy it despite any mistakes', or 'dislike it despite things (theoretically) working as planned'.
Isekai actually has a major advantage. If you actually do actively play persistent (say at least 30 minutes a day), it can already be relevant, if you are willing to invest into it a little. To explain that, I need to also say that this heavily depends on how strong you are in persistent. I'm going to talk from my perspective here. A perspective from someone needing about 3000 turns or less for the dwd arena. It's not a 3turns/sec arena for me, but shouldn't last longer than 20 minutes. If you are faster, things change, but if you aren't, or are even slower this should be relatively true: For me, the only persistent activity playing over Isekai that is maybe worthwhile is the postgame arena. Why? Because Isekai allows you something that persistent doesn't, or rather is a LOT slower with: Token of Blood. If you are at least level 250 in Isekai, you can play the highest arenas on low difficulty (below dwd), and do so until you can enter the ring of blood level 200. You play this at IWBTH difficulty, which should be possible at that level with ANY 1h build. For faster low difficulty arena play, you can try other styles. This shouldn't take much more than about 20 minutes and gives you more or less 1,5 noodles to shrine. (counting the other trophies as well) After playing for quite a lot, I've realized that this is one of the absolute best things to do, if you aim for getting some good equipment without being rich. Sure the odds are still low, but you can't get legendary awful leather of sillyness anymore. For armor, you can even choose the slot now. Only postgame and above would still be worth it, with my speed, as the overall credits and the 2 tier 7 clear bonuses are good enough to make it relatively equal. After enough time you even get a peerless voucher for your trouble. And if you want to invest more time and/or have good enough gear, you can also upgrade this and play the level 250 and 225 at IWBTH difficulty for their tier 6 clear bonus. A lot easier to do than dwd with its forced pfudor that in general feels like more of a pain than it's worth. Of course, this is all just about being for you, unless you have a star and can trade. The verse isn't really something you play for instant gratification. Unfortunately, drop chances for legendary gear is low, and most of it sucks. While this is supposed to be somewhat changed in the future, we'll need to wait and see. Personally I think it's best to just relax, and do something at the side while doing this. For example watch an episode of anime while doing what I described in Isekai. Should fit pretty well. Provided you enjoy the gambling of course. If you aren't, this is the wrong game. This post has been edited by killi890: Apr 8 2022, 10:26
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Apr 8 2022, 10:26
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QUOTE(killi890 @ Apr 8 2022, 10:22)  Pretty sure I've read somewhere it's retroactive. Probably look at the wiki or something. Not vouching for it.
it is. If you build up 100m shrine value and then buy FoS perk, you directly receive 10 peerless vouchers
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Apr 8 2022, 19:26
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bloggbigg
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QUOTE(what_is_name @ Apr 8 2022, 00:38)  Let's tell you why people salvage their soulbund equips at the end of the season: because the value of equips that transfer to Persistent don't even worth more than salvage them in Isekai. I can say even the soulfusing cost of magnificent equip drop down to 50k most people still will not soulfuse them to Persistent.
People complain about soulfusing cost before Tenboro say equips can bring to Persistent, they complain because they want to use them in Isekai not because they want to bring to Persistent, and the cost have actually already halve after complain. I can't explain the reason for why burn your ISK as I'm neither Tenboro nor an economist, but the truth is that most equips are not worth to bring to Persistent and most people can earn more than they need in Isekai, unless you want to climb floor 100 in the Tower.
For your problem, instead of complain the soulfusing cost in Isekai you should learn how to efficiently play arena. Once you reach lv.300 and can clear DwD then you can get magnificent equip everyday and soon you will understand why they don't worth to soulfuse to bring to Persistent, and you will able to earn enough credit to soulfuse the really useful equip too. People are telling you how to earn more but you just ignore them and focusing on the cost of soulfusing
I understand the different values. I'm sure there are plenty of people who do as you say- high level players who's Isekai character is lower than their main. Why would they bring junk 'they can keep if they wanna' when they can get more ISK instead? I get it. What YOU don't get is that low level people can level faster in Isekai, and they can get gear that is much better- and not be able to bring it back since the soulfuse cost is excessive. If people have always been complaining about soulfusing cost- obviously, they're ALL clueless idiots, right? The game should be played as Tenboro designed- in fact don't bring anything back, ever despite the 'flaw' in that it's a posted option, seemingly used as an incentive despite being so impossible to afford!... and we're done with that. My 'problem' is that I literally came in here saying 'Am I missing something', because I was just so baffled at the 'negative incentive' design that I was sure I had to be in the wrong. This has been running for over a year, right? Surely there must be a better plan than 'punish people for trying hard (but not hard enough, suckers)'. But no. I was wrong. The game is literally designed to take 6 months of time, be more tedious and economically costly to play, and leave most people with almost nothing to show for their efforts, encouraging them to NOT play again once they've learned their lesson. Yay. Enjoy. All you high level people who can 'mitigate the problem' and therefore don't see the point- 'More power to you'. As has been said, 'this game isn't for everyone'- and that's by design- and that excuses any ridiculous design decisions because 'trolling players' is traditionally ok in gear grind games anyway... Just because you TELL people they can soulfuse and bring stuff back, doesn't mean it has to actually be affordable... hahaha buffoons who believe what they read... never fail to amuse, right? Thank you for your time and explanation- and I will look forward to getting to level 300 in the main to get 'better gear'. Seriously. I'm sure by then Magnificent's won't be worth much, though- because I understand 'the treadmill'. It was never specifically about 'gettng Magnificents' (because I so much want them, right?)- it's just an example of how petty this design is, and how amazed I was that such a trivial thing was impossible to do after a player works toward achieving it (since it's suggested right in the guide)- only to discover 'Yeah, it says you can do it- and the tools are there- but tut, tut, tut- you didn't check the cost! Bwahaha!' I've been a member for 10+ years or some such, and am <L250 because I don't care enough to play very often- but 'I'm greedy for magnificents, wah! Change the game for me!' Think what you like. I thought someone saying 'Isn't it a bit much for people to expect players to play for 6 months, and get almost no reward for their time?' would be helpful. You know 'context' and 'various player perspectives'. But no. I was being silly. 'The magnificents. You mentioned magnificents. This is how you need to go to get magnificents...' Not a magnificenta magnificentAll the rest of my gear is exquisite- except this: a magnificent halfway through item worldI'm actually not even using the magnificents I have- my exquisites are better- and magnificents take a while to upgrade as I don't play a ton- so when I eventually finish grinding these two I don't doubt I'll have acquired another. It just would have been nice if I could have taken back at least one of the six I got in Isekai- a few had 3 primary attributes. Oh well... I definitely shouldn't mention how you are charged a soulfusing cost based on upgrades, yet upgrades are stripped when transferred, making you work for nothing and pay soul fragments for nothing on top of the ridiculous price. Nope. Not gonna mention that. That's perfect design. Well, only idiots take that option (that they are presented/suggested). It's obvious you shouldn't do things it looks like you can do. Everyone knows that. Why would you want it? Perfect design! I was wrong- I fully understand and admit that. To think that a grind game designer would have any respect for the time invested or enjoyment gained of their players was silly of me- and if that goes so far as to make a design that actually shows contempt and outright denial of rewarding player efforts? Who am I to complain? It's a grind game. I should know better. It's not like (as a 'test') it could be improved (because 'whatever reasons'- make positive changes)- nope. 'It's fine as is'. I'm an idiot. No problem. Put a gold star on it- In fact, test is over. It's perfect. It did just what it was designed to do it seems. I have reflected and learned. I don't know what I was thinking before. I feel enlightened now. Thank you. QUOTE For me, the only persistent activity playing over Isekai that is maybe worthwhile is the postgame arena. Why? Because Isekai allows you something that persistent doesn't, or rather is a LOT slower with: Token of Blood.
Yeah, I noticed that too, though I'm not sure what area drops tokens best, so I only do the noodle one once every 3 days or so as that's as fast as I can get them. I don't play for 'instant gratification'. I just noticed something ridiculous and curiously asked about it as it made no sense at the time. I know better now. Yeah, as far as 'games designed to cheat people actively', I'm not a fan- so you're actually right. Theoretically no one should like to have their time wasted by ridiculous rules or an excessively gouge-y economic system- but 'what do I know?', seems 'that is the game' for some... More than done. Take care.
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Apr 8 2022, 19:28
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Around lvl 150 I noticed that I can sell loot all at once, no need to sell them one by one. (Before that I was selling loot one by one...) Now at lvl 240 I noticed that I can set loot types to auto-sell and auto-salvage. (Before this I was salvaging loot one by one...) ... Allllrighty then! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Apr 8 2022, 21:25
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killi890
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QUOTE(bloggbigg @ Apr 8 2022, 19:26)  What YOU don't get is that low level people can level faster in Isekai, and they can get gear that is much better- and not be able to bring it back since the soulfuse cost is excessive.
A season is 6 whole months. The chance for this to actually matter is small. I was in that boat myself, but by the time the season ended, nothing was of value anymore. Sure, it's RNG and is possible. But I doubt you'd really have not enough credits and/or soul fragments at the end of a season for a few pieces of equip. The game gives you a lot of credits for first time clearing stuff, that alone being able to soul fuse more than a full set of equipment. And even after that, you get plenty, provided you play actively enough so that you can actually get mattering equipment to begin with. Exquisite is something you'll graduate from pretty automatically past level 200, and that phase is too fast for ISK gear to matter, and magnificents are already rare enough. This post has been edited by killi890: Apr 8 2022, 21:27
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Apr 8 2022, 23:35
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bloggbigg
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QUOTE(killi890 @ Apr 8 2022, 15:25)  A season is 6 whole months. The chance for this to actually matter is small. I was in that boat myself, but by the time the season ended, nothing was of value anymore.
Sure, it's RNG and is possible. But I doubt you'd really have not enough credits and/or soul fragments at the end of a season for a few pieces of equip. The game gives you a lot of credits for first time clearing stuff, that alone being able to soul fuse more than a full set of equipment. And even after that, you get plenty, provided you play actively enough so that you can actually get mattering equipment to begin with. Exquisite is something you'll graduate from pretty automatically past level 200, and that phase is too fast for ISK gear to matter, and magnificents are already rare enough.
I already went through the math. A magnificent costs 250 soul fragments, minimum. I have one that costs 705. You get 10 soul fragments per tower level- so I'm @ 25 or so- which is above my level, and that gave 250. Unfortunately I started the game thinking I could level like usual, and I spent some of them on two lesser equips. I have 50 left. The balance should be easy, right? at 1000 per soul frag, all I need is 200,000 credits- that's 200 arena battles (I already cleared them all)- so at 15 a day, totaling 600 or so rounds a day- that's 14 days of pure arena grind (assuming I have the stamina for it- unlikely) just to get the weakest if the 6 soulfused. A month and a half for the one that costs 705- again assuming stamina holds out. Absolutely not worth it. This is of course assuming even if you could pull it off- what it would cost you _on balance_ which is almost all the progress you made for the season. You're basically 'starting fresh' all over, which sounds about right- except everyone else 'who gets it', has starting cash and (oh! I totally forgot about the 'main' tower goal), now has an advantage over you there. Well- we already had to set aside that you're already handicapped against people who played before in several ways, so 'no sense worrying about this now...' Anyway- the point is, 'by design', it's a thing you should absolutely not do because it costs too much in several ways- DESPITE the fact that it is an advertised motivator to get you into the game. You show up, play and THEN figure out 'yeah, this is a scam'. Everyone here 100% doesn't do it, advises various things in Persistent (thanks), to compensate- but won't admit 'Yeah, that's broke.' somehow. I have two soulbound equips in Isekai: equip 1, equip 2neither of which I plan on keeping. I bound them way earlier (before I knew better) and have better on my main. So, before you say 'well...'- even if I could 'undo those' and grind like mad, it won't get me to soulfusing the good item that costs 705. equipWorst thing about that item is it's above my level- so it's another case of 'paying for what you can't use'. I guess if I could level 90 some odd levels so then it would cost 250 like the rest, right? Haha! Yeah... So 'soulfusing good items down to you' is mostly an invalid tactic. You wanna soulfuse something lower level? No problem! Same price! And then the stats grow, so you get 'bonus' on top because you were higher. Now does that make sense? An item getting more powerful is free. An item getting weaker is ridiculously expensive- on top of the ridiculous base cost= like almost 3x as much to gimp it down to my level. It's stupid. Completely backwards to logic. You should pay _more_ for 'level up' action, right? Whatever. Not my game. Thanks for trying to help. Also Magnificents aren't rare in Isekai- i have 6 and wasn't even trying. People sell them to the equipment shop, all the time, and Noodly Appendage along with 'follower of snowflake' (which everyone has by default) makes getting one from the shrine pretty likely- I got 2 of the 6 that way. Anyway- whole areas of the game are basically 'off limits' due to ridiculousness, so I get that now. What can I say? I shouldn't 'complain' about the 'great design' everyone else knowingly sidesteps. Seems legit. Later. This post has been edited by bloggbigg: Apr 8 2022, 23:57
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Apr 9 2022, 04:12
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when will the Easter envent begin? Already collected all Easter envent equipment like SAR(super animal royal), it reminds me that Easter envent of HV is going to be coming soon? Since Necu's market is down, trophy is hard to sale with samll amount of them and I always being bad luck in sacrifice for stuff, maybe the higher level of trophy can make a difference (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Apr 9 2022, 04:45
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If I only do void damage does that makes imperil useless for me?
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Apr 9 2022, 04:56
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QUOTE(Cramped Tail @ Apr 8 2022, 23:12)  when will the Easter envent begin? Already collected all Easter envent equipment like SAR(super animal royal), it reminds me that Easter envent of HV is going to be coming soon? Since Necu's market is down, trophy is hard to sale with samll amount of them and I always being bad luck in sacrifice for stuff, maybe the higher level of trophy can make a difference (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) It is very likely that the Easter event begins this Saturday or Sunday, just as it was in most previous years. QUOTE(tdhffgf @ Apr 8 2022, 23:45)  If I only do void damage does that makes imperil useless for me?
No. Imperil is always useful as it also decreases the physical mitigation of the monster (not just elemental resistance).
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Apr 9 2022, 09:07
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How people get Low-grade materials easily? Updated needed but not seeing people selling (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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Apr 9 2022, 09:53
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QUOTE(bloggbigg @ Apr 8 2022, 23:35)  I already went through the math.
A magnificent costs 250 soul fragments, minimum. I have one that costs 705.
You get 10 soul fragments per tower level- so I'm @ 25 or so- which is above my level, and that gave 250. Unfortunately I started the game thinking I could level like usual, and I spent some of them on two lesser equips. I have 50 left. The balance should be easy, right? at 1000 per soul frag, all I need is 200,000 credits- that's 200 arena battles (I already cleared them all)- so at 15 a day, totaling 600 or so rounds a day- that's 14 days of pure arena grind (assuming I have the stamina for it- unlikely) just to get the weakest if the 6 soulfused. A month and a half for the one that costs 705- again assuming stamina holds out.
Why do you get 1000 credits per arena? It's way more than that. The higher the difficulty, the more it is, but even on just hard, you get way more. Enemies drop credits and equipment of superior and exquisite quality can be sold, unless you gather something for upgrades. I currently have my isekai auto settings on "sell superior", and only auto salvage average power armor and force shields. I collect exquisite stuff to either most likely sell (non metal/wood and if I care enough rare equipment in general) or salvage. I do not have hard data, because I honestly don't care enough as I have plenty of credits in Isekai, but I'm pretty sure doing the 140-200 arenas on hard gives 30k+ credits alone. Dance with dragons tends to give around 25k (pfudor enforced), I know that for sure. End of days and eternal darkness are also pretty nice with credit gains. Even on lower difficulty I think they are in a 10k range? The level 200 one gives around 8k on hard I think. So yeah, you get enough credits, if you play. Just don't buy stuff above your level from the bazaar, unless you know what you are doing. Leveling slows down more and more and the higher soul fragment cost is there for a reason.
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Apr 9 2022, 10:00
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QUOTE(Noni @ Apr 9 2022, 15:29)  thanks, auto-salvage took too long. I would buy some low grade wood (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by iloveacg111: Apr 9 2022, 10:01
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Apr 9 2022, 19:05
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bloggbigg
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QUOTE(killi890 @ Apr 9 2022, 03:53)  Why do you get 1000 credits per arena? It's way more than that. The higher the difficulty, the more it is, but even on just hard, you get way more. Enemies drop credits and equipment of superior and exquisite quality can be sold, unless you gather something for upgrades. I currently have my isekai auto settings on "sell superior", and only auto salvage average power armor and force shields. I collect exquisite stuff to either most likely sell (non metal/wood and if I care enough rare equipment in general) or salvage. I do not have hard data, because I honestly don't care enough as I have plenty of credits in Isekai, but I'm pretty sure doing the 140-200 arenas on hard gives 30k+ credits alone. Dance with dragons tends to give around 25k (pfudor enforced), I know that for sure. End of days and eternal darkness are also pretty nice with credit gains. Even on lower difficulty I think they are in a 10k range? The level 200 one gives around 8k on hard I think.
So yeah, you get enough credits, if you play. Just don't buy stuff above your level from the bazaar, unless you know what you are doing. Leveling slows down more and more and the higher soul fragment cost is there for a reason.
I already cleared them all, so it's 1000 per. Sure, the trinkets add up a to a small bit- but even assuming your math is right- that would be 30k added to the 200k at the end-- or maybe saving ~30 battles bringing the marathon down to around 170 instead of 200. Still not worth it to move 1 magnificent over. Not high enough level for 'Dance with Dragons' or 'Eternal Darkness'. Gear not good enough for Pfudor I can barely (sometimes) do 'I wanne be the Hentai' on short runs with liberal potion use. Again- all this is assuming I don't die, because (as I mentioned before) dying is really more expensive than you think in Isekai. It may seem like I'm nit-picking- but math is math. A lot of the tolerable 'habits of play' in the main game simply become 'hidden costs' in Isekai because the 'balance' is so off. Credit for completing an arena level? 1000 (+loot- prob ~300) Needed to use an elixer? -500/1000 You died? ~5 scrap repairs -500 Energy cell too? shame -200 So if you die on an arena run you can look at as much as -1700, and since you didn't complete the run you only get a few hundred from loot- which means your next run is an opportunity to only break even. Well, that's not true- you also lost a lot of stamina... Yeah, in hindsight you should skip the bazaar entirely- you're only cutting yourself. but sometimes RNG makes you do what you don't wanna. I don't know what the 'higher soul fragment cost' is there for- but whatever reason it supposedly is, it's bad. Whenever you put in a dynamic which hobbles 'advertised play', you either need to offer less, or deliver more. I'm now like everyone else- pretending 'can take an item back to persistent' isn't there. It's not worth it. Anyway, thanks for your input. I'll be looking forward to 'Dance with Dragons' when my main levels up to 250. Isekai I'll just putter around with now & then to increase credits. It's not worth the effort for me to try anything more... Later. This post has been edited by bloggbigg: Apr 9 2022, 19:07
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Apr 9 2022, 19:22
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Noni
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QUOTE(IchQuote @ Apr 9 2022, 17:02)  i'm playing wind mage, reasonable to use or item world or soulfuse this staff? https://hentaiverse.org/equip/170003601/1b55075c13or should i search for something better? look for something better, I'd say. Also, mage is hard to pull off before level 310. But you are of course allowed to find that out for yourself.
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Apr 9 2022, 19:25
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bloggbigg
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QUOTE(IchQuote @ Apr 9 2022, 11:02)  i'm playing wind mage, reasonable to use or item world or soulfuse this staff? https://hentaiverse.org/equip/170003601/1b55075c13or should i search for something better? I'm not an expert. That said I would item world first and see what you get. You want to coordinate all your gear, so I assume all the rest of your stuff is trying to be wind- otherwise changing to cold would be better. Matching the staff to the gear is easier than the other way round. An any case, bad Item world bonuses will make you wanna reforge/ignore, and good bonuses will make you wanna item world more. Either way 'time passes', and you may find something more appropriate before you max it out. If you have Amnesia shards (thanks for the kind catch, Noni!)- only item world 1 level at a time- that way the reforge isn't too costly. Once you like what you see, you can keep going- but void shards are kinda a pain to get, so best not to be too picky, otherwise you'll just be stuck with something you can't erase (or is too expensive to fix) once you run out. Do 'Flying Spaghetti Monster' in Ring of Blood, then shrine the noodly appendage to maybe get something different. Lots of things are better- especially 'destruction' (usually). Good Luck Anyway- all gear is temporary, so don't worry about it too much. Hope that helps. Later. This post has been edited by bloggbigg: Apr 9 2022, 22:34
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