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post Oct 21 2021, 13:43
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QUOTE(Tiffanys @ Oct 21 2021, 11:35) *

As a third question... how can you enchant an item yourself? Like creating a wakizashi with an of the vampire enchantment. The enchant panel doesn't seem to have anything like that.


There is no crafting system of any sort presently; the enchant panel is for adding temporary bonuses to equipment.
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post Oct 21 2021, 15:23
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QUOTE(amaimono @ Oct 21 2021, 07:32) *

I'm bad at math, but that 5% looks pretty significant to me.

At shitsucks' level, he has access to 14 arenas from Growing Storm to Eternal Darkness. That's:
109+136+162+172+216+281+311+295+293+404+375+394+321+228 = 3697 normal monsters.

5% of 3697 is 184.85 which means he could expect that much extra drops per day from arenas with lv 50 Scavenger.

The total number looks nice, but if you get ~925 drops without it, is that 184 more really that much? It's a 20% increase. A 20% increase to artifact and equipment droprate via quartermaster and archaeologist is MUCH cheaper than 50 levels in scavenger.

That said, it's really not about the max, but rather about a reasonable amount. For example, level 30 in scavenger costs 1.359 million credits in total. That'd be a 12% increase in droprate, assuming the 10% base + 15% PL related one is correct. To get the final 20 levels you'd need to pay 16 million more. And that final increase would be about 7%, compared to where you are at level 30. But it's not like you need that. Still, for 1.359 million credits you can get a much higher increase in droprate for equip and artifacts by doing those trainings instead. Even if the actual dropchance without scavenger is closer to 20%, it'd still not change.

I consider the drops for equipment the most important, followed by artifacts. Eventually any training gets so expensive, you train something cheaper or maybe just stop altogether. But Scavenger's effect isn't that high, especially when you have a relatively low level of the other drop related trainings. So it's priority is the lowest to me. There's nothing bad about some levels into it, the others just seem more important to me. Would be a different story if the school girl random drop trophies would be affected by it. Alas they are not.
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post Oct 21 2021, 16:07
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QUOTE(killi890 @ Oct 21 2021, 20:23) *
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Okay, I did the math.

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Expected equip drops @PFUDOR (Growing Storm to Eternal Darkness):

Scavenger lv  0  Quartermaster lv 0    23.125
Scavenger lv 50  Quartermaster lv 0    27.725
Scavenger lv  0  Quartermaster lv 20   46.25
Scavenger lv 50  Quartermaster lv 20   55.45


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Expected artifact drops @PFUDOR (Growing Storm to Eternal Darkness):

Scavenger lv 0   Archaeologist lv  0   1.85
Scavenger lv 50  Archaeologist lv  0   2.218
Scavenger lv 0   Archaeologist lv 10   3.7
Scavenger lv 50  Archaeologist lv 10   4.436


Oof, you're right. Scavenger indeed should be leveled up last, if at all. I'm going to change my previous post accordingly.

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post Oct 22 2021, 00:13
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Question about isekai, as the wording on wiki got me confused.

"Any Soulbound equipment, Peerless Vouchers, and all Peerless Equipment the Player acquires in Isekai will transfer over to Persistent at the end of the season. Any Peerless equipment that is not soulbound will be soulfused to the Player in the process, and all upgrades and potencies will be lost."

Does that mean that only the peerless equipment that is not soulbound will lose the upgrades, or that all the gear transferred over will? Considering the prices I'm assuming all the upgrades will be lost. No way phazons could be 5k on isekai otherwise, right? I was planning on getting couple phase pieces for myself and upgrading them for dirt cheap. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

On the other hand, would be really sad to find hallowed oak of heimdall or something similar during the last month, when trading is not a thing. Not like that would happen to me though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Oct 22 2021, 00:23
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Hello, I got this Legendary Jade Shade Leggings of the Fleet dropped and after asking it seems to be worth something so I'd like to sell it.
To have it auctioned I just MM it to superlatanium with the item attached and nothing in the text?
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post Oct 22 2021, 00:27
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QUOTE(bensalenkkari @ Oct 21 2021, 18:13) *

Question about isekai, as the wording on wiki got me confused.

"Any Soulbound equipment, Peerless Vouchers, and all Peerless Equipment the Player acquires in Isekai will transfer over to Persistent at the end of the season. Any Peerless equipment that is not soulbound will be soulfused to the Player in the process, and all upgrades and potencies will be lost."

Does that mean that only the peerless equipment that is not soulbound will lose the upgrades, or that all the gear transferred over will? Considering the prices I'm assuming all the upgrades will be lost. No way phazons could be 5k on isekai otherwise, right? I was planning on getting couple phase pieces for myself and upgrading them for dirt cheap. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)


All equipment that is transferred over to persistent from isekai will lose their upgrades.
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post Oct 22 2021, 06:07
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QUOTE(nsj @ Oct 22 2021, 00:23) *

Hello, I got this Legendary Jade Shade Leggings of the Fleet dropped and after asking it seems to be worth something so I'd like to sell it.
To have it auctioned I just MM it to superlatanium with the item attached and nothing in the text?

Yes.
But your title needs to include "Auction".
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post Oct 22 2021, 08:38
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Between MDB and EDB, which one is more important for radiant phase???
I know that for staff MDB>EDB, but does it also apply to radiant phase???
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post Oct 22 2021, 09:02
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Oct 22 2021, 08:38) *

Between MDB and EDB, which one is more important for radiant phase???
I know that for staff MDB>EDB, but does it also apply to radiant phase???

EDB >> MDB ≈ Int ≈ Wis >> others
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post Oct 22 2021, 12:59
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QUOTE(sharmy @ Oct 22 2021, 14:02) *

EDB >> MDB ≈ Int ≈ Wis >> others

May I know the reason behind it???
I thought it was the same with staff and radiant phase, so it is a bit surprising that it actually the opposite... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Oct 22 2021, 13:26
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Oct 22 2021, 12:59) *

May I know the reason behind it???
I thought it was the same with staff and radiant phase, so it is a bit surprising that it actually the opposite... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

because your main share of MDB comes from your staff, while your main share of EDB comes from phases
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post Oct 22 2021, 14:04
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QUOTE(Noni @ Oct 22 2021, 18:26) *

because your main share of MDB comes from your staff, while your main share of EDB comes from phases

Ah, so thats why...
I don't know there is that kind of distinction before...
I thought MDB & EDB from staff and phase have the same weight...
Turns out it isn't...
Thanks for the explanation... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Oct 22 2021, 15:53
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Oct 22 2021, 13:04) *

Ah, so thats why...
I don't know there is that kind of distinction before...
I thought MDB & EDB from staff and phase have the same weight...
Turns out it isn't...
Thanks for the explanation... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Yeah, don't go by percentiles, always check the base values themselves to see how much of a stat is actually on an item (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

The MDB range on phase equips is fairly narrow, so the roll doesn't matter much. Cast speed, too. I only really look for EDB, PABs, evade and sometimes pmit when shopping for phase equips.
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post Oct 22 2021, 16:41
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QUOTE(Nezu @ Oct 22 2021, 20:53) *

Yeah, don't go by percentiles, always check the base values themselves to see how much of a stat is actually on an item (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

The MDB range on phase equips is fairly narrow, so the roll doesn't matter much. Cast speed, too. I only really look for EDB, PABs, evade and sometimes pmit when shopping for phase equips.

LoL busted... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
Maybe I'm too used on shopping for power slaughter which adb range quite wide... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
And usually I prefer to lv. scale for comparing 2 equipment...

So for phase EDB, PAB, Evade, and maybe PMit thats more important...
Point noted... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Oct 22 2021, 17:30
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Oct 22 2021, 16:41) *

So for phase EDB, PAB, Evade, and maybe PMit thats more important...
Point noted... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

EDB should be always considered first.

Then if you want to be offensive, choose Radiant and consider MDB/Int/Wis next.
If you want to be defensive, choose Charged and consider PMit/Evd/Agi/CS next.

Generally.
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post Oct 22 2021, 20:06
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What are the most important stats for 1H/Shield with Rapier/Force Shield/Power Armor?

I’m basically following the wiki for item suffixes and prefixes. I’m getting Rapiers of Slaughter, Force Shields of Protection and Force Armor of either Slaughter or Protection depending on availability in the bazaar.

For stats, I’ve been focusing on STR above all else because it influences both Overwhelming Strikes and Counter-attacks (I’m nowhere near hitting the max % for these)
I’m very unsure about which should be my 2nd priority? DEX or END? I’m also not sure if I should invest as much into AGI because I think the whole point of this build is to block as much as possible but I can’t block if I evade?

For abilities, I only invested in supportive magic, general things and the associated gear I’m using.

Also, when should I start soulfusing? Should it only be for Legendary items? Is it worth it to soulfuse to level 300ish magnificent items? Soul fragments seem relatively slow to acquire…
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post Oct 22 2021, 22:01
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QUOTE(Sythellri @ Oct 22 2021, 20:06) *

What are the most important stats for 1H/Shield with Rapier/Force Shield/Power Armor?

I’m basically following the wiki for item suffixes and prefixes. I’m getting Rapiers of Slaughter, Force Shields of Protection and Force Armor of either Slaughter or Protection depending on availability in the bazaar.

For stats, I’ve been focusing on STR above all else because it influences both Overwhelming Strikes and Counter-attacks (I’m nowhere near hitting the max % for these)
I’m very unsure about which should be my 2nd priority? DEX or END? I’m also not sure if I should invest as much into AGI because I think the whole point of this build is to block as much as possible but I can’t block if I evade?

For abilities, I only invested in supportive magic, general things and the associated gear I’m using.

Also, when should I start soulfusing? Should it only be for Legendary items? Is it worth it to soulfuse to level 300ish magnificent items? Soul fragments seem relatively slow to acquire…


If you get something good enough that you think you'll be using it for 100 levels, soulfusing is fine. Case in point, my current main hand weapon I've had for over 100 levels, and am now starting to consider replacing it.

Getting really good stuff is unlikely, so it's quite easy to go a 100 levels in your case. Leveling slows down eventually. At level 300 you basically get the most exp you'll ever get (outside of gaining additional modifiers/exp training). So once you are around where I am right now, soulfusing becomes a lot less interesting outside of using equip higher level than yourself.
It's kinda weird. Soulfusing is basically at its best early on, yet way too expensive at that point. Eventually you no longer need it outside of things higher level than you, as leveling is slow and additional gains low.
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post Oct 22 2021, 23:32
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QUOTE(Sythellri @ Oct 22 2021, 21:06) *

What are the most important stats for 1H/Shield with Rapier/Force Shield/Power Armor?

I’m basically following the wiki for item suffixes and prefixes. I’m getting Rapiers of Slaughter, Force Shields of Protection and Force Armor of either Slaughter or Protection depending on availability in the bazaar.

For stats, I’ve been focusing on STR above all else because it influences both Overwhelming Strikes and Counter-attacks (I’m nowhere near hitting the max % for these)
I’m very unsure about which should be my 2nd priority? DEX or END? I’m also not sure if I should invest as much into AGI because I think the whole point of this build is to block as much as possible but I can’t block if I evade?

For abilities, I only invested in supportive magic, general things and the associated gear I’m using.

Also, when should I start soulfusing? Should it only be for Legendary items? Is it worth it to soulfuse to level 300ish magnificent items? Soul fragments seem relatively slow to acquire…


getting your parry/block up is good. - the most useful stat on your force shield is the block so the higher the better. i maxed the parry/block upgrade on the weapon/shield as much as i could too.

the only magnificent i fused was my rapier. i saved the rest until i got legendary or better gear. if you get a good legendary at low lvl its still worth fusing imo. eg my rapier i fused at 375, when im 500 it should have the same stats as a 500 dropped one.
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post Oct 23 2021, 21:14
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Oct 22 2021, 14:41) *

LoL busted... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
Maybe I'm too used on shopping for power slaughter which adb range quite wide... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
And usually I prefer to lv. scale for comparing 2 equipment...

So for phase EDB, PAB, Evade, and maybe PMit thats more important...
Point noted... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Now when auction ended, i think in your particular case you win better deal, difference in price between those 2 pants allow you to just spend addition 500k and do 1 extra upgrade for edb, it should make it even with another lot, so in the end you'll have about same stats for total of 2.5m comparing with that other lot which end up at 3.5m... In simple words - you saved ~1m.

I figured this lifehack recently: the thing is that most of the time your phase equipment would be underupgraded, i.e. not upgraded to max +50, because it is stupidly expensive for regular players, so you will almost guaranteed have some extra space to throw in few addition upgrades to compensate for a bad roll. So if you choosing between 2 phase items one have good roll and very expensive and another bad roll but cheap, you should consider if difference in initial price will cover upgrades to compensate bad stats, if cheap bad item + upgrades would be cheaper - most of time you can buy it and you will save some money.

Work mostly for phase equip. This wont work for staff because even poor player wanna staff with +100 +50 +50 for mdb/edb/prof, you just wont have space for extra upgrades cause everything important would be maxed anyway.
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post Oct 24 2021, 03:21
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QUOTE(Mud attheBaseofLotus @ Oct 24 2021, 02:14) *

Now when auction ended, i think in your particular case you win better deal, difference in price between those 2 pants allow you to just spend addition 500k and do 1 extra upgrade for edb, it should make it even with another lot, so in the end you'll have about same stats for total of 2.5m comparing with that other lot which end up at 3.5m... In simple words - you saved ~1m.

I figured this lifehack recently: the thing is that most of the time your phase equipment would be underupgraded, i.e. not upgraded to max +50, because it is stupidly expensive for regular players, so you will almost guaranteed have some extra space to throw in few addition upgrades to compensate for a bad roll. So if you choosing between 2 phase items one have good roll and very expensive and another bad roll but cheap, you should consider if difference in initial price will cover upgrades to compensate bad stats, if cheap bad item + upgrades would be cheaper - most of time you can buy it and you will save some money.

Work mostly for phase equip. This wont work for staff because even poor player wanna staff with +100 +50 +50 for mdb/edb/prof, you just wont have space for extra upgrades cause everything important would be maxed anyway.

Actually I was comparing it with the eq. in one of the shop rather than with the one you mentioned...
They roughly have the same stats, just with reverse mdb/edb percentile...
I just didn't notice the mdb range for phase is quite narrow, hence the question... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

And yeah, I think supplementing a worse roll eq. with upgrade to reach the better roll eq. level is gonna works especially with phase eq. that most player won't be afford to fully forged due to the astronomical price of phazon...
For other type of eq., it kinda relatively cheap to get fully forged anyway, so the stat difference will still there...
The question then become whether it is worth to spend the extra credit for the stat difference between the two eq...

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