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post Aug 29 2021, 20:51
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Need some ideas. Long story short: Can't "play" as my character is far too weak. Currently level 248 and after the low level arenas became unavailable I have been unable to complete a single arena even using consumables. Currently I am living off my savings to feed my few monsters for gifts, but when I run out of credits to buy happy pills I think I will be at a dead end on my character.
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post Aug 29 2021, 21:01
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QUOTE(assartha @ Aug 29 2021, 20:51) *

Need some ideas. Long story short: Can't "play" as my character is far too weak. Currently level 248 and after the low level arenas became unavailable I have been unable to complete a single arena even using consumables. Currently I am living off my savings to feed my few monsters for gifts, but when I run out of credits to buy happy pills I think I will be at a dead end on my character.

you have options:
1. Play more, at lower difficulty if you must, you don't need good gear for that. Play RE. Play arena's, all of them every day. In no time you'll have enough credits to get your monsters fed.
2. Donate for gold star, and get passive income, enough to feed your monsters without playing
3. do bounties for credits

If you don't want to play, why would you want monsters? so, 4. you can just leave it and do something you actually enjoy.
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post Aug 29 2021, 21:12
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QUOTE(assartha @ Aug 29 2021, 19:51) *

Need some ideas. Long story short: Can't "play" as my character is far too weak. Currently level 248 and after the low level arenas became unavailable I have been unable to complete a single arena even using consumables. Currently I am living off my savings to feed my few monsters for gifts, but when I run out of credits to buy happy pills I think I will be at a dead end on my character.


Maybe your play style is one of the "weak" styles ?
Try either 1h+heavy or Dualwield+Leather. Play arenas even if you have to flee before the end, until you reach L.250; it will unlock very useful abilities (like Block for 1H).

Have you slotted and updated all the correct abilities for the style ?

If you main hand weapon is not ehtereal, enchant it with Voidseeker's Shard before battling (in the forge menu).

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post Aug 30 2021, 05:53
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Do people usually alternate casting between the opposite element spell to get the Blunted Attack/Breached Defense explode bonus?


Theoretically that sounds good and it should be a good idea, but in practice that is not as effective as one might want or assume it to be.

For other reasons, I will do this from time to time for the proficiency, but not for damage or other immediate battle strategy. For example, schoolgirl arenas on high difficulty: kill the regular monsters and have only SGs left. Do one Elemental spell, one Dark, and then finish the kills with Holy; at the end, this will give Elem/Dark prof in addition to Holy. (Note: the example sequence I mention assumes one is playing Holy; adapt this sequence for whatever primary style you are equipped for.)

Now, this method is a bit cumbersome unless you customize Monsterbation scripts to cycle through these attacks with, for example, a Shift/Ctrl/Alt hover--which I do--and also risky if attempted while there are still high-damage monsters in play (hence why I suggest only with SGs remaining). But it can help keep secondary Proficiency numbers a bit better balanced, which is useful if you want to switch styles later at higher levels and do not want to spend so much time catching up the Profs.


ON EDIT: Yeah, the sequence isn't important.

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post Aug 30 2021, 08:34
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QUOTE(shamil11 @ Aug 29 2021, 19:53) *

Do one Elemental spell, one Dark, and then finish the kills with Holy; at the end, this will give Elem/Dark prof in addition to Holy. (Note: the example sequence I mention assumes one is playing Holy; adapt this sequence for whatever primary style you are equipped for.)


Why is the sequence important? If I remember correctly, as long as such kind of magic has been used once during the battle, no matter it kills or not, you will get the proficiency when you finish this round.
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post Aug 30 2021, 08:55
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QUOTE(davidtsu @ Aug 30 2021, 07:34) *

Why is the sequence important? If I remember correctly, as long as such kind of magic has been used once during the battle, no matter it kills or not, you will get the proficiency when you finish this round.


You are correct.
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post Aug 30 2021, 18:56
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What is the optimal strategy of using Chaos Token? For example, keep unlocking new monsters and ignore the monster skill upgrade? Or maybe keep unlocking new monsters but start to upgrade the scavenging skill at some point?
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post Aug 30 2021, 19:00
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QUOTE(davidtsu @ Aug 30 2021, 18:56) *

What is the optimal strategy of using Chaos Token? For example, keep unlocking new monsters and ignore the monster skill upgrade? Or maybe keep unlocking new monsters but start to upgrade the scavenging skill at some point?

optimal, as in most income? Unlock monsters is always better. When all are unlocked, you can work on scavenger.
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post Aug 30 2021, 19:10
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There was some tactic, but i forget it already. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Something like: every 40 monsters unlocked do 1 chaos upgrade of scavenger to all your monsters?
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post Aug 30 2021, 19:11
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QUOTE(Mud attheBaseofLotus @ Aug 30 2021, 19:10) *

There was some tactic, but i forget it already. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Something like: every 40 monsters unlocked do 1 chaos upgrade of scavenger to all your monsters?

yeah, could be that it's optimal to do some scavenger after monster unlocking gets expensive, but I personally wouldn't bother. The effect is small, I'd say.
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post Aug 31 2021, 04:24
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QUOTE(Noni @ Aug 30 2021, 09:00) *

optimal, as in most income? Unlock monsters is always better. When all are unlocked, you can work on scavenger.


QUOTE(Mud attheBaseofLotus @ Aug 30 2021, 09:10) *

There was some tactic, but i forget it already. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Something like: every 40 monsters unlocked do 1 chaos upgrade of scavenger to all your monsters?


Makes sense. Thank you, Noni and Mud.

Another question, for now I want to maximize my income, and don't care about the exp. Here is my strategy, please correct me if there is a better strategy.

1. Make sure my stamina is below 60, since I don't care about the exp.
2. Do all the AR everyday, which costs 17.5 stamina, and have 6.5 stamina left every day (no energy drink perk, too expensive to unlock and I don't have that much time every day to consume 24+20=44 stamina)
3. My current equip set (trash radiant fire mage) cannot survive x20 GF, I tried x15 GF all the way to 500 round and flee, still doable but too tiring, feel bad. Also considering the additional 1 stamina cost at entering GF and I only have one crystal perk, I think I should ignore GF for now.
4. So IW is my only choice for now. I feel like x20 Legendary IW with 70-90 round might be a little bit exhausting for me as I have to pay attention to safety. I tried low level (300-400 level) x20 trash mag equip IW, which only has 40-60 rounds. As IW monsters will get stronger as the number of round goes up, so try IW with mag equip with less round is a better idea? (Less exp is fine, as long as maximize the profit, such as the token drop rate, PA drop rate, equip drop rate, equip quality, etc)
5. Is there any better strategy than this one? I don't care about the exp, only care about the income. Maybe try x15 IW legendary equip is better than x20 IW mag equip? Are the x20 dropping rate and x15 dropping rate different? I know for equip drop quality, x20 is much better than x15, as x20 will drop at worst superior while x15 will drop average. How about the Leg and peerless rate?

Sorry for the long text, and thank you so much guys.
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post Aug 31 2021, 04:55
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QUOTE(davidtsu @ Aug 31 2021, 04:24) *

Makes sense. Thank you, Noni and Mud.

Another question, for now I want to maximize my income, and don't care about the exp. Here is my strategy, please correct me if there is a better strategy.

1. Make sure my stamina is below 60, since I don't care about the exp.
2. Do all the AR everyday, which costs 17.5 stamina, and have 6.5 stamina left every day (no energy drink perk, too expensive to unlock and I don't have that much time every day to consume 24+20=44 stamina)
3. My current equip set (trash radiant fire mage) cannot survive x20 GF, I tried x15 GF all the way to 500 round and flee, still doable but too tiring, feel bad. Also considering the additional 1 stamina cost at entering GF and I only have one crystal perk, I think I should ignore GF for now.
4. So IW is my only choice for now. I feel like x20 Legendary IW with 70-90 round might be a little bit exhausting for me as I have to pay attention to safety. I tried low level (300-400 level) x20 trash mag equip IW, which only has 40-60 rounds. As IW monsters will get stronger as the number of round goes up, so try IW with mag equip with less round is a better idea? (Less exp is fine, as long as maximize the profit, such as the token drop rate, PA drop rate, equip drop rate, equip quality, etc)
5. Is there any better strategy than this one? I don't care about the exp, only care about the income. Maybe try x15 IW legendary equip is better than x20 IW mag equip? Are the x20 dropping rate and x15 dropping rate different? I know for equip drop quality, x20 is much better than x15, as x20 will drop at worst superior while x15 will drop average. How about the Leg and peerless rate?

Sorry for the long text, and thank you so much guys.

1. agree
2. agree
3. if you cannot handle PFest to at least round 200-400 (I don't know the accurate number but the crystal bonus need to be significant), you need to give up
4. you may consider scrolls if you don't mind
5. for legendary and peerless, PFUDOR has double drop rate than IWBTH, but that is not the key factor, the main income is bringed by the wrost drop (unless you're so luck and can get something very valuable)
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post Aug 31 2021, 05:43
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Hello whats good stats for the melee character that has AOE swing? my stat reset to 1 when i came back to play 2021

Any expert tips will be apprciated
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post Aug 31 2021, 07:00
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QUOTE(Toru Ikeda @ Aug 31 2021, 05:43) *

Hello whats good stats for the melee character that has AOE swing? my stat reset to 1 when i came back to play 2021

Any expert tips will be apprciated

Below level 200 just add every attribute equally
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post Aug 31 2021, 08:53
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QUOTE(sharmy @ Aug 30 2021, 18:55) *

1. agree
2. agree
3. if you cannot handle PFest to at least round 200-400 (I don't know the accurate number but the crystal bonus need to be significant), you need to give up
4. you may consider scrolls if you don't mind
5. for legendary and peerless, PFUDOR has double drop rate than IWBTH, but that is not the key factor, the main income is bringed by the wrost drop (unless you're so luck and can get something very valuable)


Got it, thanks, so I guess for me playing x20 IW with trash mag equip of 40-60 rounds is better than playing x15 IW with Legendary equip of 60-90 rounds? In terms of income not exp.

The dropping rate of Precursor Artifact and tokens should be the same for all the difficulty levels right?
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post Aug 31 2021, 09:55
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QUOTE(davidtsu @ Aug 31 2021, 04:24) *

Makes sense. Thank you, Noni and Mud.

Another question, for now I want to maximize my income, and don't care about the exp. Here is my strategy, please correct me if there is a better strategy.

1. Make sure my stamina is below 60, since I don't care about the exp.
2. Do all the AR everyday, which costs 17.5 stamina, and have 6.5 stamina left every day (no energy drink perk, too expensive to unlock and I don't have that much time every day to consume 24+20=44 stamina)
3. My current equip set (trash radiant fire mage) cannot survive x20 GF, I tried x15 GF all the way to 500 round and flee, still doable but too tiring, feel bad. Also considering the additional 1 stamina cost at entering GF and I only have one crystal perk, I think I should ignore GF for now.
4. So IW is my only choice for now. I feel like x20 Legendary IW with 70-90 round might be a little bit exhausting for me as I have to pay attention to safety. I tried low level (300-400 level) x20 trash mag equip IW, which only has 40-60 rounds. As IW monsters will get stronger as the number of round goes up, so try IW with mag equip with less round is a better idea? (Less exp is fine, as long as maximize the profit, such as the token drop rate, PA drop rate, equip drop rate, equip quality, etc)
5. Is there any better strategy than this one? I don't care about the exp, only care about the income. Maybe try x15 IW legendary equip is better than x20 IW mag equip? Are the x20 dropping rate and x15 dropping rate different? I know for equip drop quality, x20 is much better than x15, as x20 will drop at worst superior while x15 will drop average. How about the Leg and peerless rate?

Sorry for the long text, and thank you so much guys.


note that IW gives less income per round than Fest, because of the crystals. As you want to play for max income, fest is better than IW, even if you flee. Work on your playstyle and gear, and play PFUDOR to round 500 at least. Use scrolls if needed, the cheap ones - sell the more expensive ones.


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post Aug 31 2021, 11:54
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QUOTE(davidtsu @ Aug 31 2021, 07:53) *

Got it, thanks, so I guess for me playing x20 IW with trash mag equip of 40-60 rounds is better than playing x15 IW with Legendary equip of 60-90 rounds? In terms of income not exp.

The dropping rate of Precursor Artifact and tokens should be the same for all the difficulty levels right?


Yes, and no.
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post Aug 31 2021, 15:42
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QUOTE(Noni @ Aug 30 2021, 23:55) *

note that IW gives less income per round than Fest, because of the crystals. As you want to play for max income, fest is better than IW, even if you flee. Work on your playstyle and gear, and play PFUDOR to round 500 at least. Use scrolls if needed, the cheap ones - sell the more expensive ones.


You are correct. But I only have 1 crystal perk and most of the crystal bonus from GF is at late rounds, after round 500, and I have survival problem at x20 GF after maybe round 300.

QUOTE(Nezu @ Aug 31 2021, 01:54) *

Yes, and no.


Checked the wiki page, did not get any info about the drop rate of tokens and PA for different difficulty.
So how much higher is x20 than x15 for token and PA drops?

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QUOTE(davidtsu @ Aug 31 2021, 14:42) *

You are correct. But I only have 1 crystal perk and most of the crystal bonus from GF is at late rounds, after round 500, and I have survival problem at x20 GF after maybe round 300.
Checked the wiki page, did not get any info about the drop rate of tokens and PA for different difficulty.
So how much higher is x20 than x15 for token and PA drops?


Don't know the exact numbers, but if I recall, difficulty affects the rate of all drops. I believe IWBTH had somewhere around 7.5-8 PAs per fest, on average, whereas PFUDOR is around 8.8. But it's been years since I was farming IWBTH fests so I don't have any data these days on it.
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post Aug 31 2021, 17:49
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QUOTE(Nezu @ Aug 31 2021, 06:20) *

Don't know the exact numbers, but if I recall, difficulty affects the rate of all drops. I believe IWBTH had somewhere around 7.5-8 PAs per fest, on average, whereas PFUDOR is around 8.8. But it's been years since I was farming IWBTH fests so I don't have any data these days on it.


Thanks, will do x20 anyway since x15 gives average equip while x20 gives at worst superior, which matters a lot for income I think.
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