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post Jul 24 2021, 17:31
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QUOTE(Xiandora @ Jul 24 2021, 16:25) *

I recently sold off 1000 Hath for credits, so I upped the quantities of the item shop bot items I've got the most need for and have been very sporadically and slowly increasing the purchase prices. Most notably the items I'm lacking the most of - Bindings of Slaughter, Precursor Artifacts, Repurposed Actuators as well as bindings for the stats heavy armor give most commonly, though it's really only Raccoon and Ox I need more of atm, as I have over 100 Turtle bindings.
I also put up tasks for metals when I run out, but that's hardly noteable since I can get those for the minimum price.


Someone else will answer your other questions (my main advice would be replace the axe with a rapier/shortsword), but this bit specifically - the item shop prices for many materials are going to cost you way more than normal, and most of those rarely pass through the item shop anyway. If you want a more convenient interface than using the forums for trade, you could try [hvmarket.xyz] HVMarket which is an automated trading platform that uses the E-Hentai exchange interface for each item.
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post Jul 24 2021, 17:55
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QUOTE(hentailover6983 @ Jul 24 2021, 04:18) *

I'm unsure where to find the rules/explanations for the Isekai mode's general functions and attributes. Is it in the original Isekai thread or is there a new one with all the updated changes/information?

As for the Peerless voucher ticket, you don't necessarily need to be ranked 1st in order to get one right? There is a range of placements for each of the rewards that the Tower grants people at the end of each season?


Original Isekai thread is still a must-read, because season 2 thread doesn't list the rules in their entirety but only talks about changes.

Rewards/benefits are as follows: for every tower floor you've finished you get 0.1% bonus damage in Persistent for half a year after the season ends. You get permanent +1/+2/+3 to every stat if you clear floor 30/40/50 (that binus is not temporary). Everything that is either soulbound or peerless in your Isekai inventory by the end of the season is transferred to your Persistent account but all forge levels and potencies are erased and peerless is made soulbound (so you can't trade it in Persistent). If you have unused peerless voucgers they are also transferred to Persistent. Everything else is sold to the bazaar and your credit balance in excess of 1m is transferred to persistent (so if you had 2m you will get 1m to the Persistent account).

Extra peerless voucher is given to people placing in the top 10 (and that is the only competitive reward for now). However notice the top 10 placings in the first season. It's not an easy thing to do.
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post Jul 24 2021, 18:02
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QUOTE(Nezu @ Jul 24 2021, 17:31) *

Someone else will answer your other questions (my main advice would be replace the axe with a rapier/shortsword), but this bit specifically - the item shop prices for many materials are going to cost you way more than normal, and most of those rarely pass through the item shop anyway. If you want a more convenient interface than using the forums for trade, you could try [hvmarket.xyz] HVMarket which is an automated trading platform that uses the E-Hentai exchange interface for each item.

Oh, I'm already aware that the more desired materials cost a small fortune compared to some less desired ones which you can find almost at minimum prices.. the most notable are probably 'Bindings of Slaughter' iirc, since they're probably the ones that fall furthest outside of the normal cost. I haven't looked anything up since the actual costs were removed from HV, I've just been slowly increasing my max bids until I start hitting purchases. I'll take a look at the thing you linked later, though.
I've been doing item shop bot setups since shortly before the actual prices were removed from it, can't remember when exactly. How often I update it varies drastically, though. Most of the time I'll only update it a few times/month at most.

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post Jul 24 2021, 18:21
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QUOTE(Xiandora @ Jul 24 2021, 15:25) *

Boots are unlikely I'll ever find a better for given my playrate - question tho; Would a Leg Power Boots with Slaughter still be more desirable than my current ones?
I have periods where I'll daily drop about 50-100 tickets on EQ that fits my build, going up to 200 for particularily desirable pieces. The boots were an especially lucky one I got a few years back iirc, with the Gauntlets being far older.


Slaughter Boots would have more damage, but dont bother about replacing your boots until all other armor pieces would be Legendary of Slaughter.

Trade with other players on forum, also HVMarket already suggested - at least go there and look at prices...



Throw that Axe in a pit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Jul 24 2021, 18:50
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If you're considering the value of IW for exp reasons, you can just flee on the 100th round?

Well I know you could do that...
But I have a habit to save OFC for the last round, even if it was ready a few round prior...
I'm afraid to forget to flee at the last round and use OFC instead...
I know it's inefficient but like they said, finish it with a blast... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

And no, I'm not doing it for the exp, just realized after a few days of doing IW for my eq I got more drop than arena...
Maybe because it has higher mobs/round than arena...
So I'm tempted to do it just for a few more PAs and tokens... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jul 25 2021, 01:41
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QUOTE(Mud attheBaseofLotus @ Jul 24 2021, 18:21) *

Slaughter Boots would have more damage, but dont bother about replacing your boots until all other armor pieces would be Legendary of Slaughter.

Trade with other players on forum, also HVMarket already suggested - at least go there and look at prices...
Throw that Axe in a pit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Yeah, I haven't been *seriously* looking around for more gear, since if nothing else the poll of possible choices would increase dramatically once I can soulfuse L500 pieces.. combined with not really playing much in the first place. I mostly included my gear in the list since someone was bound to ask if I didn't, and someone might have tips I wasn't aware of.

And the Axe has mostly been a placeholder since it was - way back when I first got it - by far the best choice I had, and also the first weapon I maxed Potency on (something I would've done sooner had I been aware how good it is on weapons). Been looking at the club ever since I got it, but just haven't gotten around to it, and once I hit 400 I could hit up the Rapier.

*Edit* Something I'm more curious about is what people think about my stat spread? I've mostly just gone off estimates and how useful each stat is to my build combined with ease of tracking (keeping them all in multiples of 5), without really thinking too much about it.
Also just found out about opening stat windows for equipment, so editing that in *facepalm*

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post Jul 26 2021, 05:46
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I have a stupid question here I should ask this earlier.

What is the point of playing Isekai? I have already spent quite lots of my time in persistent mode. Recently I just realized that many many people, almost everyone plays Isekai. I have heard that in Isekai many parameters and settings are different, and the goal is to climb the tower as high as they can before season end.

So what is the advantage of playing Isekai? How much will a great play or time investment in Isekai can help/benefit our persistent? For example I have heard that soulbounded peerless in Isekai will go to persistent at the end of the season, but how can I get a peerless in half year with pretty low level? Is the equip rate in Isekai higher or there are other ways to play Isekai? What is the "right" strategy to play Isekai?

(I just started Isekai a few days, struggling at 100 level, very poor average/superior 1H equip bought from Bazaar, no idea how to play Isekai effectively lol)
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post Jul 26 2021, 06:11
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QUOTE(davidtsu @ Jul 26 2021, 05:46) *

I have a stupid question here I should ask this earlier.

What is the point of playing Isekai? I have already spent quite lots of my time in persistent mode. Recently I just realized that many many people, almost everyone plays Isekai. I have heard that in Isekai many parameters and settings are different, and the goal is to climb the tower as high as they can before season end.

So what is the advantage of playing Isekai? How much will a great play or time investment in Isekai can help/benefit our persistent? For example I have heard that soulbounded peerless in Isekai will go to persistent at the end of the season, but how can I get a peerless in half year with pretty low level? Is the equip rate in Isekai higher or there are other ways to play Isekai? What is the "right" strategy to play Isekai?

(I just started Isekai a few days, struggling at 100 level, very poor average/superior 1H equip bought from Bazaar, no idea how to play Isekai effectively lol)

- peerless gears (FoS)
- PAB rewards
- attack/magic damage rewards (temporarily
- sell trophies/material

I strongly suggest that don't bother isekai unless you have much much time and you have no idea how to waste them
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post Jul 26 2021, 07:39
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QUOTE(davidtsu @ Jul 26 2021, 03:46) *

I have a stupid question here I should ask this earlier.

What is the point of playing Isekai? I have already spent quite lots of my time in persistent mode. Recently I just realized that many many people, almost everyone plays Isekai. I have heard that in Isekai many parameters and settings are different, and the goal is to climb the tower as high as they can before season end.

So what is the advantage of playing Isekai? How much will a great play or time investment in Isekai can help/benefit our persistent? For example I have heard that soulbounded peerless in Isekai will go to persistent at the end of the season, but how can I get a peerless in half year with pretty low level? Is the equip rate in Isekai higher or there are other ways to play Isekai? What is the "right" strategy to play Isekai?

(I just started Isekai a few days, struggling at 100 level, very poor average/superior 1H equip bought from Bazaar, no idea how to play Isekai effectively lol)


There are two other reasons: Beta testing the game and getting to replay the early game while trying new styles.

Also, I think there are many people who are not playing it, it just doesn't make sense to talk about it all the time. I have never visited the isekai version of HV (for either season).
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post Jul 26 2021, 09:53
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requesting an updated monster counter for arenas prior to "Killzone" in order to update this wiki section: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Arena#Arena_Challenges

whoever can help, please feel free to report them here


[update]: apparently nezu and someone else were already working on that. i'll whip them later, but apparently they have issues with lower level arenas, since they are now hidden. so now we need only stuff from Killzone and below

you can use this script for easy tracking:

Attached File  help_ehwiki.user.zip ( 2.33k ) Number of downloads: 13


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post Jul 26 2021, 09:57
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QUOTE(sharmy @ Jul 25 2021, 20:11) *

- peerless gears (FoS)
- PAB rewards
- attack/magic damage rewards (temporarily
- sell trophies/material

I strongly suggest that don't bother isekai unless you have much much time and you have no idea how to waste them


I see, so basically Isekai has FREE FoS which requires 50k Hath (if I remember correctly) to unlock in hath perks in persistent. So with FoS, if you donate trophies, the value will be accumulated and at some point you will get a free peerless right? Correct me if my understanding of FoS is wrong. Paying 50k hath is way too expensive for new players. Maybe only top hardcore player with huge investment can unlock FoS.

PAB reward is good, but I don't know how to get it and how many are there.

QUOTE(kamio11 @ Jul 25 2021, 21:39) *

There are two other reasons: Beta testing the game and getting to replay the early game while trying new styles.

Also, I think there are many people who are not playing it, it just doesn't make sense to talk about it all the time. I have never visited the isekai version of HV (for either season).


Got it. I am at work now and don't have much time everyday playing it. Originally I planned to play Isekai heavily to get some peerless but I guess it is not easy to get a good one and the time/effort/money investment in Isekai may not be that good.

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post Jul 26 2021, 10:25
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 26 2021, 03:53) *

requesting an updated monster counter in order to update this wiki section: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Arena#Arena_Challenges

whoever can help, please feel free to report them here


I took some notes on a few arenas. Columns are number of monsters, then number of rounds, then round numbers.

A Dance with Dragons
3+1 29 (1-29)
3+2 10 (30-39)
4+2 20 (40-59)
5+3 20 (60-79)
6+3 10 (80-89)
3 1 (90) Dragons

Eternal Darkness
2 9 (1-9)
2+1 33 (10-42)
3+1 5 (43-47)
3+2 23 (48-70)
4+2 14 (71-84)
4+3+3 1 (85) 3 SG, 3 dalek-tier

End of Days
3 26 (1-26)
3+1 9 (27-35)
4+1 18 (36-53)
7+1 18 (54-71)
6+1 8 (72-79)
6+2+2 1 (80) 2 SG, 2 dalek-tier

The Trio and the Tree
4 31 (1-31)
5 12 (32-43)
6 13 (44-56)
7 12 (57-68)
8 6 (69-74)
4 1 (75) Fates

To Kill a God
5 31 (1-31)
6 9 (32-40)
7 10 (41-50)
8 10 (51-60)
9 4 (61-64)
9+1 1 (65) 1 SG

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post Jul 26 2021, 10:40
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QUOTE(davidtsu @ Jul 26 2021, 09:57) *

I see, so basically Isekai has FREE FoS which requires 50k Hath (if I remember correctly) to unlock in hath perks in persistent. So with FoS, if you donate trophies, the value will be accumulated and at some point you will get a free peerless right? Correct me if my understanding of FoS is wrong. Paying 50k hath is way too expensive for new players. Maybe only top hardcore player with huge investment can unlock FoS.

PAB reward is good, but I don't know how to get it and how many are there.

Shrine 10M (based on shrine price) trophies with FoS, then you get a Peerless Voucher
Since there isn't top-tie gears in isekai, you need to farm AR with junk-tie mage, or melee, which means you need to pay tons of time.

Top hardcore players always go to isekai since they need "extra" Peerless Voucher, you know, Peerless Voucher is always not enough for them forever. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
(But someone may just want to have something challenge. )

You could get ~2 Peerless and 3 points of every attributes each seasons. If you spent extremely much time, you would get an extra Peerless as tower rush top 10 reward.

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post Jul 26 2021, 11:01
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QUOTE(sharmy @ Jul 26 2021, 00:40) *

Shrine 10M (based on shrine price) trophies with FoS, then you get a Peerless Voucher
Since there isn't top-tie gears in isekai, you need to farm AR with junk-tie mage, or melee, which means you need to pay tons of time.

Top hardcore players always go to isekai since they need "extra" Peerless Voucher, you know, Peerless Voucher is always not enough for them forever. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
(But someone may just want to have something challenge. )

You could get ~2 Peerless and 3 points of every attributes each seasons. If you spent extremely much time, you would get an extra Peerless as tower rush top 10 reward.


How much persistent credit is 10M shrine value? For example, the noodle is around 50k credit in persistent market, if the noodle value in shrine is 1M (bad example, way off number lol, just want to make math simply), I need to shrine 10 noodle to get one peerless voucher, which costs 500k credits in persistent. So in reality, how much cerdits roughly needed to get a peerless voucher?

Considering the fact that even for peerless, most of the peerless are still "trash", gambling on peerless voucher is still risky because most of the time you will get trash peerless. I bought one peerless in bazaar and clearly it is trash, a ruby/jade(can't remember the exact prefix) leather boots of stoneskin, obviously no one wants it, I just bought it as my first peerless though I know it will never be used lol.
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post Jul 26 2021, 11:26
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QUOTE(mathl33t @ Jul 26 2021, 10:25) *

I took some notes on a few arenas. Columns are number of monsters, then number of rounds, then round numbers.

thanks. can you also specify amount of SGs and bosses?
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thanks. can you also specify amount of SGs and bosses?

For DwD
Round 1-29 1 SGs
Round 30-59 2 SGs
Round 60-89 3 SGs
Round 90 3 dragons as usual...

For EoD and ED I forget...

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QUOTE(davidtsu @ Jul 26 2021, 10:01) *

How much persistent credit is 10M shrine value? For example, the noodle is around 50k credit in persistent market, if the noodle value in shrine is 1M (bad example, way off number lol, just want to make math simply), I need to shrine 10 noodle to get one peerless voucher, which costs 500k credits in persistent. So in reality, how much cerdits roughly needed to get a peerless voucher?

Considering the fact that even for peerless, most of the peerless are still "trash", gambling on peerless voucher is still risky because most of the time you will get trash peerless. I bought one peerless in bazaar and clearly it is trash, a ruby/jade(can't remember the exact prefix) leather boots of stoneskin, obviously no one wants it, I just bought it as my first peerless though I know it will never be used lol.


Right now it's roughly 20m per peerless in persistent for FoS, but in isekai, trophies are a little more expensive because most people don't want to trade them - they want to use them for themselves, unless the price is really good. Noodles have the worst conversion rate for FoS by far, so you generally wouldn't use them unless you don't care about credits at all.

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QUOTE(davidtsu @ Jul 26 2021, 09:01) *

How much persistent credit is 10M shrine value? For example, the noodle is around 50k credit in persistent market, if the noodle value in shrine is 1M (bad example, way off number lol, just want to make math simply), I need to shrine 10 noodle to get one peerless voucher, which costs 500k credits in persistent. So in reality, how much cerdits roughly needed to get a peerless voucher?

Considering the fact that even for peerless, most of the peerless are still "trash", gambling on peerless voucher is still risky because most of the time you will get trash peerless. I bought one peerless in bazaar and clearly it is trash, a ruby/jade(can't remember the exact prefix) leather boots of stoneskin, obviously no one wants it, I just bought it as my first peerless though I know it will never be used lol.


A noodle is worth 5000 credits in shrine value, so you need 2000 of them for a peerless voucher, which costs about 100M credits on the current market. Note that this is not the most efficient way to maximize shrine value (I think 10M shrine value is ~21M credits using tier 3 trophies).
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QUOTE(davidtsu @ Jul 26 2021, 11:01) *

Considering the fact that even for peerless, most of the peerless are still "trash", gambling on peerless voucher is still risky because most of the time you will get trash peerless. I bought one peerless in bazaar and clearly it is trash, a ruby/jade(can't remember the exact prefix) leather boots of stoneskin, obviously no one wants it, I just bought it as my first peerless though I know it will never be used lol.

Yeah, most Peerless are still trash. But, when you finish your >85% Radiant Holy set and DD9, there is nothing to do but gamble the Peerless

For the vast majority, it's simply impossible to finish >85% Radiant Holy or even some set worse, gambling the Peerless should be a bad choice.
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[update]: apparently nezu and someone else were already working on that. i'll whip them later, but apparently they have issues with lower level arenas, since they are now hidden. so now we need only stuff from Killzone and below

does isekai arena the same as persistent???
If yes I could try help up to road less travelled...
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