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post Feb 26 2018, 14:52
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So lately I've sort of just been grinding proficiencies at a low difficulty to minimize xp gain and maximize proficiency gain


This doesnt work anylonger. You proficiency gain is now calculated by the Xp you gain. Gain less XP means also gain less proficiency. So in the end you can get every level just get Y proficiency, no matter what difficulty you are playing on. And if you actually want more proficiency for you XP, your only choice is to train Assimilator.


The only other way aside from Assimilator to increase your proficiency is to avoid dawn exp as much as possible (because dawn prof lacks the multiplier you get for fighting prof, meaning you get less proficiency than you would get for earning the same amount of exp through fighting). So either don't trigger dawn (not recommended) or try to get as many experience points as possible through fighting.
If you fight a lot, you'll also earn credits, which you can spend on Assimilator training, so it's two birds with one stone.

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post Feb 26 2018, 18:13
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QUOTE(Nicosai @ Feb 26 2018, 19:52) *

This doesnt work anylonger. You proficiency gain is now calculated by the Xp you gain. Gain less XP means also gain less proficiency. So in the end you can get every level just get Y proficiency, no matter what difficulty you are playing on. And if you actually want more proficiency for you XP, your only choice is to train Assimilator.

The only other way aside from Assimilator to increase your proficiency is to avoid dawn exp as much as possible (because dawn prof lacks the multiplier you get for fighting prof, meaning you get less proficiency than you would get for earning the same amount of exp through fighting). So either don't trigger dawn (not recommended) or try to get as many experience points as possible through fighting.
If you fight a lot, you'll also earn credits, which you can spend on Assimilator training, so it's two birds with one stone.


You can't get any proficiency after max level mmm...~?
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post Feb 26 2018, 18:24
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You can't get any proficiency after max level mmm...~?

Ehm. Not sure what you actualy mean. I will just quote the wiki.

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Base proficiencies are capped at 20% above the player's current level.


And wish you good luck hitting that cap anytime soon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Feb 26 2018, 18:31
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Ehm. Not sure what you actualy mean. I will just quote the wiki.
And wish you good luck hitting that cap anytime soon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)


Yeah I mean, if the cap is 20%, that means max base proficiency is 600 at level 500 right?
So I don't really get why people need to rush it if we can still get it later.

And about the dawn exp, we get big boost in all proficiency in the first RE I believe, so it should offset the dawn of the day exp right mmm...~?
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post Feb 26 2018, 18:41
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Yeah I mean, if the cap is 20%, that means max base proficiency is 600 at level 500 right?
So I don't really get why people need to rush it if we can still get it later.

And about the dawn exp, we get big boost in all proficiency in the first RE I believe, so it should offset the dawn of the day exp right mmm...~?

Yes, 600 is max in the end.
Well, you are of course correct that in the end we will all hit those 600 sooner of later. It is just like allways, some people want hit it sooner. And why not? Higher prof means, been stronger. And afaik even the highest assimilator training would not allow you to hit the cap before you reach lvl 500.

Well, the dawn prof bonus is not about RE, it is the first battle you fight after the dawn, it doesnt matter what you are fighting. The problem with that is just that those bonus is calculated without the assimilator bonus. So training assimilator and just doing a daily RE after the dawn, just means you have wasted you credits on assimilator.
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post Feb 26 2018, 20:18
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And about the dawn exp, we get big boost in all proficiency in the first RE I believe, so it should offset the dawn of the day exp right mmm...~?


Dawn bonus misses the 4x multiplicator you get for fighting. So while it seems you get a lot of prof, that's only because you gain so much experience at dawn.
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post Feb 26 2018, 20:28
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QUOTE(Nicosai @ Feb 26 2018, 19:18) *

Dawn bonus misses the 4x multiplicator you get for fighting. So while it seems you get a lot of prof, that's only because you gain so much experience at dawn.

What 4x multiplicator are you talking about? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Feb 26 2018, 20:56
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Just out of curiosity, where exactly does the priority in a weapon lie?
"Ethereal", "[Quality]", "Rapier", or "of Slaughter"
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post Feb 26 2018, 20:57
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 26 2018, 13:28) *

What 4x multiplicator are you talking about? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


QUOTE(Tenboro @ Aug 17 2017, 08:19) *

- Base proficiency experience factor was increased from x2 to x4, which would allow you to keep every proficiency at level without any additional trainings.



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post Feb 26 2018, 21:36
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Oh. But wouldnt that also count for that prof you get after the dawn? Iirc there is just the lack of assimilator bonus that makes it not as good as it could should be.

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Just out of curiosity, where exactly does the priority in a weapon lie?
"Ethereal", "[Quality]", "Rapier", or "of Slaughter"

Well, that depends on what the weapon is wanted for. Ethereal is mostly overrated, because it is not the best you could get for 1H. But of course it has its uses in a DW set. And while a rapier of slaughter is the best weapon for a 1H player, you dont want one as a off hand weapon in a DW set. A better answer could i only give, if you would ask a bit more more precise. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Feb 26 2018, 22:12
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 26 2018, 14:36) *

Oh. But wouldnt that also count for that prof you get after the dawn? Iirc there is just the lack of assimilator bonus that makes it not as good as it could should be.


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I already coded it; the dawn EXP will be applied as proficiency EXP to all proficiencies, without the 4x multiplier or training multiplier, and you'll "gain" those proficiencies the next time you happen to do a battle.



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post Feb 26 2018, 22:20
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Fine. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Feb 26 2018, 22:53
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 26 2018, 14:36) *
A better answer could i only give, if you would ask a bit more more precise. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)


Thank you, and sorry, I probably should have been a touch more precise.
I use a 1H and Shield heavy build and intend to recycle my mainhand in that build with a mainhand in a DW Light armor build, and be able to swap between the two without having an entire other mainhand to care for. This, of course, assuming such an idea is reasonably viable to begin with.
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post Feb 26 2018, 23:02
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QUOTE(Hichhightest @ Feb 26 2018, 21:53) *

Thank you, and sorry, I probably should have been a touch more precise.
I use a 1H and Shield heavy build and intend to recycle my mainhand in that build with a mainhand in a DW Light armor build, and be able to swap between the two without having an entire other mainhand to care for. This, of course, assuming such an idea is reasonably viable to begin with.

Well, the problem with that idea is not so much the weapon itself. But the IW you want for that weapon. In a 1H build you really dont want any Overpower, while you actually want at least some of it in a weapon of a DW set.
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Well, the problem with that idea is not so much the weapon itself. But the IW you want for that weapon. In a 1H build you really dont want any Overpower, while you actually want at least some of it in a weapon of a DW set.

Well, the rapier I have now has level 5 Overpower, and the leathers I have are generally of a higher quality than my plate. I got myself an Ethereal Wakizashi of Nimble from a trophy at some point, too. Should I slowly start transitioning over?
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Well, if you want to play DW, i would say. Go on. Do it. It is just i would not recommend using both styles. I mean, when you even still use actual plate and leather, could it be not so easy to get both styles up to power and shade. Btw, did you actually use a rapier with 5 overpower as a 1H weapon? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Feb 27 2018, 00:21
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 26 2018, 17:12) *

Well, if you want to play DW, i would say. Go on. Do it. It is just i would not recommend using both styles. I mean, when you even still use actual plate and leather, could it be not so easy to get both styles up to power and shade. Btw, did you actually use a rapier with 5 overpower as a 1H weapon? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I sure did. And still do. Work with what you have, I guess.
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post Feb 27 2018, 00:34
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I guess it doesnt matter now because i am sure you will change that weapon anyway sooner or later. But while overpower is good for DW, even when i am not sure if 5 is not even there a bit much, it has no actual use for 1H whatsoever.
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post Feb 27 2018, 14:31
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I am starting to do all arenas pfudor everyday since like, 2 days and I'm already out of spirit draughts since I'm using a lot.
Do you guys have a solution to get quite a lot (free shop at my level is not possible anymore) like farming grindfest at low difficulty or smthg ( don't wanna buy from bazaar) ?
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post Feb 27 2018, 14:32
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1 spirit draught = just 15 credits. just buy them in wtb/wts forums.
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