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post Jul 11 2021, 14:54
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Hm, personally i would hope for some cold mit 0.0 % is a bit low. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) So i would assume together with holy cold should be dangerous for you.
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post Jul 11 2021, 15:20
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From 65 rounds PF IW of this Mag piece
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3 most damaging ele are cold, holy, and...
ELEC?!!
I understand about cold and holy, but elec??? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jul 11 2021, 19:54) *

Hm, personally i would hope for some cold mit 0.0 % is a bit low. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) So i would assume together with holy cold should be dangerous for you.

0 is not low Uncle...
It is not exist... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Jul 11 2021, 15:39
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Jul 11 2021, 15:20) *

3 most damaging ele are cold, holy, and...
ELEC?!!
I understand about cold and holy, but elec??? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Yup, just like i assumed. People are often so worried about fire and holy that they overlook elec. Was the same for me, but i havent checked the elemental damages in over a year, so i thought i just mention it as a example so i would be able to say that it was just a random choosen element. Guess now i missed the change to look prophetic because i wanted to avoid the chance of been wrong. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jul 11 2021, 16:10
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Tried in arena 65 too just in case the previous result was a fluke...
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Similar result with different %...
Top 3 still cold, holy, and elec...
And based on my mit, elec should have more damage to inflict similar amount with holy/cold... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Sigh...
Now I wonder which proof should I go for my new boots... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Jul 11 2021, 16:39
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Jul 11 2021, 10:10) *

Tried in arena 65 too just in case the previous result was a fluke...
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Similar result with different %...
Top 3 still cold, holy, and elec...
And based on my mit, elec should have more damage to inflict similar amount with holy/cold... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Sigh...
Now I wonder which proof should I go for my new boots... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Keep in mind that with the new Zircon boots you'll be gaining about 20% Holy and losing about 20% Fire.

Since combining elemental mitigations from multiple pieces of equipment is multiplicative, you get diminishing returns the more resistance you already have for that element, so I'd go with Cold over Electric.
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post Jul 11 2021, 17:28
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Hmm...
I'll try to get coldproof then...
but gonna to do it tommorow as I already sleepy now... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Thanks Uncle and jantch... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Btw I forgot the strategy...
First 2 pot on IWTBH and the rest on PFUDOR, right???
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post Jul 11 2021, 17:34
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First 2 pot on IWTBH and the rest on PFUDOR, right???
So you wont waste any shards. Yes.

And you are welcome. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Jul 12 2021, 00:15
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What's a decent clear time for pfudorfest as elemental mage and as 1H melee?

By decent I mean, what clear times are acceptable if I'm poor but do everything else correctly (use scripts, consumables, am not retarded, etc).
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post Jul 12 2021, 03:27
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QUOTE(firecat666 @ Jul 12 2021, 00:15) *

What's a decent clear time for pfudorfest as elemental mage and as 1H melee?

By decent I mean, what clear times are acceptable if I'm poor but do everything else correctly (use scripts, consumables, am not retarded, etc).

1hour / 5hours
I thought, maybe wrong.
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post Jul 12 2021, 04:13
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1hour / 5hours
I thought, maybe wrong.

5 hours? Only if you didnt forge your damage and dont use imperil. A decent time would be more between two and a half and three hours.
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post Jul 12 2021, 08:20
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jul 11 2021, 23:13) *

5 hours? Only if you didnt forge your damage and dont use imperil. A decent time would be more between two and a half and three hours.

I see. So I suppose I did decently on my first ever full pfudorfest (also my first ever full grindfest) that I finished a few days ago taking exactly the average between two and a half and three hours to complete.

What about ele mage, though? Is 1 hour a decent time for them? Also are dark/holy mages faster on fests than elemental? I know they're faster in arenas, at least the schoolgirl ones.

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post Jul 12 2021, 08:28
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Yeah, that is a decend time, fast would be everything below two hours but you also need quite some DD for pulling that off. Elec mage, i have no idea, i dont play elemental mage. I go ask someone.

edit: So i was told a decent time for elec mage is 45 min.


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post Jul 12 2021, 10:10
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When I salvage an equip, 90% of the forge materials will be returned right?

1. I know catalyst will not be returned, then how about binding of xxx, high-grade cloth, and phazon?

2. When 90% will be returned, is it return by ceiling? For example, if the equip is forged with binding of slaguhter to level 10, if I salvage it, I got 9 back, clear. What if it is forged to 9, so 9*90%=8.1, do I get 8 or 9 back? What if it is forged to 11, so 11*90%=9.9, do I get 9 or 10 back? Is the decimals round up or down?

I ask this because forging phase is too expensive, I am considering only forge cloth and staff, leaving all the phase unforged, as I will only do arena for now. If I forge to level 9 and will get 9 back if I salvage, then I will forge the phase, otherwise forging my poor roll phase is not a wise decision.

My 3 phase of surtr cost me 4m, so 1.33m each on average, low roll trash lol, so seems not worth forging.
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post Jul 12 2021, 10:17
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QUOTE(firecat666 @ Jul 12 2021, 15:20) *

I see. So I suppose I did decently on my first ever full pfudorfest (also my first ever full grindfest) that I finished a few days ago taking exactly the average between two and a half and three hours to complete.

What about ele mage, though? Is 1 hour a decent time for them? Also are dark/holy mages faster on fests than elemental? I know they're faster in arenas, at least the schoolgirl ones.


1H, with shit equip 4~5hours, 2.5-3 hours should be the average for most with braindead playstyle.
For mage, I believe around 1 hour is what relatively attainable with most people means (2-3 mid percentile charged gear, DD 1~2, 10~25 forge on phases)

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When I salvage an equip, 90% of the forge materials will be returned right?

1. I know catalyst will not be returned, then how about binding of xxx, high-grade cloth, and phazon?

2. When 90% will be returned, is it return by ceiling? For example, if the equip is forged with binding of slaguhter to level 10, if I salvage it, I got 9 back, clear. What if it is forged to 9, so 9*90%=8.1, do I get 8 or 9 back? What if it is forged to 11, so 11*90%=9.9, do I get 9 or 10 back? Is the decimals round up or down?


1. they did, only catalyst not returned.
2. rounded down.

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post Jul 12 2021, 11:36
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Jul 12 2021, 05:17) *

1H, with shit equip 4~5hours, 2.5-3 hours should be the average for most with braindead playstyle.
For mage, I believe around 1 hour is what relatively attainable with most people means (2-3 mid percentile charged gear, DD 1~2, 10~25 forge on phases)

Haha, actual ancient gear plus a dogshit rapier, nice.

Regarding mage, is that 1 hour for any mage with average gear or does dark/holy perform better or worse than elemental in pfest (disregarding the nuance that holy>dark and wind/elec>fire/cold)?
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post Jul 12 2021, 11:47
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I cant speak for other styles, but holy you really need good equipment and a lot if not all DD to clear PFest. And that good equipment is rare and a lot of really rich people want it. So dont go holy, dont even think about it. I havent cleared even a single PFest with my mage set so far. IFest i am doing just fine, but PFest? Nope, just nope.
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post Jul 12 2021, 11:49
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QUOTE(firecat666 @ Jul 12 2021, 11:36) *

Regarding mage, is that 1 hour for any mage with average gear or does dark/holy perform better or worse than elemental in pfest (disregarding the nuance that holy>dark and wind/elec>fire/cold)?

With top-match gears, holy/dark performs better. With "average" gears, they perform worse.
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post Jul 12 2021, 11:52
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QUOTE(sharmy @ Jul 12 2021, 11:49) *

With top-match gears, holy/dark performs better. With "average" gears, they perform worse.
Just saying, but my staff is sure as sure not average.
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post Jul 12 2021, 12:07
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QUOTE(firecat666 @ Jul 12 2021, 18:36) *

Regarding mage, is that 1 hour for any mage with average gear or does dark/holy perform better or worse than elemental in pfest (disregarding the nuance that holy>dark and wind/elec>fire/cold)?


With average of gears that could clear it.
as the range for mage gear is so vast (price and performance wise).
And by "could clear it" I also means reliably, not the one that makes you scratch your head bald in the last 300 round only for trying to survive.
That would also means a "top tier" for the general mage gear might also be the average for the gear that could clear pffest.
I mean, what are you expecting for, it is literally the end of the road of HV's challenge before 10b introducing isekai's tower..

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post Jul 12 2021, 12:28
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before 10b introducing isekai's tower..

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) isekai's tower = wear 5 shieding and spend tons of time
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