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3. I have heard from somewhere that at Grindfest with monsters getting stronger and stronger in later round, the drop rate for artifacts and high quality equips are increased, not sure whether it is true or not.

Monsters on IW is also getting stronger in the later round, it's just that the rate is different (IW have faster rate but lower ceiling as it is maxed at 100th round, grindfest increase slower but have higher ceiling as it could go until the 1000th round) .
the drop rate stays the same, except crystals which getting higher on grindfest - which on pfudor is maxed at +2x around the 500th round iinm.

I am still buying precursor artifact from HVmarket, but seems to be too expensive investment.

if your primary concern is pab bonus, it's a bad investment,
you'll have better chance getting pab bonus from shrining precursor artifact the higher the difference between your current and max bonus, so if you're going to pay to chase them it's better to wait until you actually trailing by 5~10 pabs.
also, at your level (late 300) one or two pab is not going to bring any noticeable change, consider that before "buying" them for a few tens of thousands credits.

I read somewhere that 80-round arena gives best EXP-stamina rate except for DwD so it gets a high priority, adding it makes 565 rounds = 22.6 stamina, you can still squeeze in the 90-round one every 3 days.

this is true, as far as I know DWD, 80 round arena, 100 round arena is the top three for exp/round, but it might change soon as the new patch will make the SG arena 100 rounds too.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jun 29 2021, 09:03

this is true, as far as I know DWD, 80 round arena, 100 round arena is the top three for exp/round, but it might change soon as the new patch will make the SG arena 100 rounds too.

The post here (in Chinese) simply counted special monsters as half when calculating EXP without explanation, and gave similar result to your test, though the numbers don't match that well. It is kinda curious.

I checked my HVMarket record and must correct what I said. In the last 2 weeks I sold 8 Noodly Appendages, so that's a little less than 3 tokens per day. Still, after adding the 3 schoolgirls it worths about 35k per day. 1-2 tokens on average might be a little unlucky.

I read somewhere that 80-round arena gives best EXP-stamina rate except for DwD so it gets a high priority, adding it makes 565 rounds = 22.6 stamina, you can still squeeze in the 90-round one every 3 days.

I think I underestimated my token of blood gain per day, it is around 2 roughly per day, still a little bit low though.

Monsters on IW is also getting stronger in the later round, it's just that the rate is different (IW have faster rate but lower ceiling as it is maxed at 100th round, grindfest increase slower but have higher ceiling as it could go until the 1000th round) .
the drop rate stays the same, except crystals which getting higher on grindfest - which on pfudor is maxed at +2x around the 500th round iinm.
if your primary concern is pab bonus, it's a bad investment,
you'll have better chance getting pab bonus from shrining precursor artifact the higher the difference between your current and max bonus, so if you're going to pay to chase them it's better to wait until you actually trailing by 5~10 pabs.
also, at your level (late 300) one or two pab is not going to bring any noticeable change, consider that before "buying" them for a few tens of thousands credits.
this is true, as far as I know DWD, 80 round arena, 100 round arena is the top three for exp/round, but it might change soon as the new patch will make the SG arena 100 rounds too.

So is the crystal farming the only bonus on Grindfest? I guess for top tier players (500 level), farming in Grindfest give lots of crystals per round, even more than the 3 SG arenas?

Also, what is the best strategy to feed the monsters? I mean when to feed the monster food and when to feed the crystals/happypill? I saw on the wiki that when the morale goes from yellow to green, monsters will give gifts, so does that mean the best strategy will be wait for mosters' morale drop to yellow and then feed crystal to make it go back to green and get a gift instantly? Then wait for it drop to yellow again? If not, then what is the best strategy to feed food and crystal?

Just checked in Eternal Darkness in Isekai, and schoolgirls (and last round bosses too) give much less exp than normal monsters. I estimate about 10%. Feels bad.

In Isekai should I start upgrading this shield
Magnificent Mithril Kite Shield of Stoneskin
or try to find exquisite (or better) force shield?

In Isekai should I start upgrading this shield
Magnificent Mithril Kite Shield of Stoneskin
or try to find exquisite (or better) force shield?

force shield, for sure. Trust me, I used force shield last season, you can upgrade it to 40 levels of block. however, if you don't have a magnificent force, just use the shield that give you the absolute highest block, but don't upgrade it.

I got this one today, you want to make me an offer? Magnificent Force Shield of Protection

This post has been edited by Noni: Jun 29 2021, 20:32

force shield, for sure. Trust me, I used force shield last season, you can upgrade it to 40 levels of block. however, if you don't have a magnificent force, just use the shield that give you the absolute highest block, but don't upgrade it.

I got this one today, you want to make me an offer? Magnificent Force Shield of Protection

Sent PM.

So is the crystal farming the only bonus on Grindfest? I guess for top tier players (500 level), farming in Grindfest give lots of crystals per round, even more than the 3 SG arenas?

With crystarium V you'll get 50 crystal per drop on pf grindfest.
If you ask "is that the only bonus on grindfest?" yes.
But grindfest and IW is the only thing people could do other than arena, and grindfest is the one that give economic bonus.
also, clearing arena for high level player which already switching to mage is a walk in the park. (it is easy to aim for 30 minutes total clear time for all sg arena, another 30 minutes for the remaining 2nd page arena), so, that's what they're stuck with, IW or grindfest.

Also, what is the best strategy to feed the monsters? I mean when to feed the monster food and when to feed the crystals/happypill? I saw on the wiki that when the morale goes from yellow to green, monsters will give gifts, so does that mean the best strategy will be wait for mosters' morale drop to yellow and then feed crystal to make it go back to green and get a gift instantly? Then wait for it drop to yellow again? If not, then what is the best strategy to feed food and crystal?

No, when morale goes from yellow to green, monsters will not always give gifts, it is possible but not always. And there is no mechanic of increassing gift by going from yellow to green morale than staying on green morale, so there is no real reason intentionally drop monster's morale to yellow.
If you have a yellow morale monsters, give them happy pils, and you refresh the page, and suddenly it give you gifts; then if you keep the morale green it would give you the gift anyway when you visit the monster lab - without having to give them happy pills to trigger the gift.

Just don't let them starving and keep their morale green, also it is cheaper feeding low PL monsters crystals to keep their morale high instead of spending on happy pils (I am not sure where is the cut-off)

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jun 29 2021, 20:43

Roughly how much does it cost to get max forge level?
After upgrading most cost-efficient attributes (parry, block, etc) I only got to lvl10. According to the chart I have about 300k EXP to go, that's at least 1200 upgrades.
Should I spam upgrade on everything I have to like lvl25, or focus on what I will need in the long run and upgrade them as high as possible? Can you give a rough number on how much it will cost? Thanks.

To answer my own question, if total cost is the only concern I believe the cheapest way is to upgrade everything to 5 on ex or worse leather/cloth armor then savage them. The total cost would be
Wispy Catalyst + 10% of Low-Grade Material (neglected) + buy price, as a huge amount would be needed. The rate would be like 13 credits/forge exp. As the total exp from lvl0-50 is 318750, the total cost will be a bit above 4m. The biggest problem is that getting all 5s on 800+ equipments then savaging them is absolutely tedious and might not worth the effort.

Taking a note for myself:
5/50 on non-ADB = 8% increase
25/50 25%
50/50 36%

5/100 on ADB = 11% increase
50/100 50%
100/100 67%

That means raising forge level from 0 to max gives 8-11% overall bonus. Now I feel stupid even considering it at my level and credit income.


This post has been edited by little_wuke: Jun 30 2021, 12:29

The biggest problem is that getting all 5s on 800+ equipments then savaging them is absolutely tedious and might not worth the effort.

Use HV Utils script:

You can specify level for each upgrade and then with 1 buton click upgrade to some +5 for all.

But i dont think it is a good idea to spend tons of credits just for maxing forge level itself.
Also you can levelup forge by repairing junk, maybe it is cheaper?

Any idea about triggering the random encounter? Sometimes due to the bad internet connection, accessing the new page or any image page won't trigger the random encounter but it is counted as one random encounter, so basically I lost one RE in that day and have to wait another 30 min. Sometimes carelessly refresh the page when the RE link already popped up will also make the RE link disappear. Is there any way to make steady access to RE? This mechanism is EXTREMELY ANNOYING that we can only get the specific RE link once when it pop up and will permanently lose the link and waste one RE in many cases.

Any idea about triggering the random encounter? Sometimes due to the bad internet connection, accessing the new page or any image page won't trigger the random encounter but it is counted as one random encounter, so basically I lost one RE in that day and have to wait another 30 min. Sometimes carelessly refresh the page when the RE link already popped up will also make the RE link disappear. Is there any way to make steady access to RE? This mechanism is EXTREMELY ANNOYING that we can only get the specific RE link once when it pop up and will permanently lose the link and waste one RE in many cases.

HVUtils can help you save the link until it expires 30 minutes later. If you get the link but fail to open it, you can try to open it again. With it's help when an RE is ready, you can also start the timer of next RE in prolonged battles like arena.

Is monster lab ever going to pay off?
I only have 3 PL400 monsters and they can barely bring me anything, I guess that's because they're too weak to appear in any fight, but getting them over like PL1500 seems too expensive for me, is it worth the investment? How important are they at my level?

I did a search on the topic, should I spend all Chaos Tokens on unlocking slots and let new monsters stay at PL25, then feed them all the way to PL1500 one by one when I have enough credits?

This post has been edited by little_wuke: Jul 1 2021, 14:35

Is monster lab ever going to pay off?
I only have 3 PL400 monsters and they can barely bring me anything, I guess that's because they're too weak to appear in any fight, but getting them over like PL1500 seems too expensive for me, is it worth the investment? How important are they at my level?

I did a search on the topic, should I spend all Chaos Tokens on unlocking slots and let new monsters stay at PL25, then feed them all the way to PL1500 one by one when I have enough credits?

unlock low PL first. If you don't have a lot crystals, use them for feeding their morale instead of chasing PLs
chaos-ing monsters only adding slight chance of giving gift, unlocking another monsters is another guaranteed gift every 3 days.

Will monster lab going to pay off?



that's 200 monsters, 1 pl 1500, 1 1300, 4 1000, 1 850, the other 193 are below 300
idk, you judge it yourself, but it cost me literally nothing - barring the food - as those PLs are purely from self drop crystals.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jul 1 2021, 15:01

that's 200 monsters, 1 pl 1500, 1 1300, 4 1000, 1 850, the other 193 are below 300
idk, you judge it yourself, but it cost me literally nothing - barring the food - as those PLs are purely from self drop crystals.

Might I ask how long did it take to muster that amount of crystals? I started playing like a month ago and only a small part of crystals my 3 monsters consumed are self-dropped

Might I ask how long did it take to muster that amount of crystals? I started playing like a month ago and only a small part of crystals my 3 monsters consumed are self-dropped

The problem wasn't the crystals, it's the token and the star.
And honestly I can't remember, I started to play actively from 2015 or 2016 maybe? I have a break for around a year when all script broke post ajax implementation, also another year last year? so 5 years on and off? 3 years playing?
Also, I only have crystarium 3 and tokenizer 1 until last year maybe, I also didn't do grindfest a lot until late lvl 400, so I am actually pretty slow at it.

The problem wasn't the crystals, it's the token and the star.
And honestly I can't remember, I started to play actively from 2015 or 2016 maybe? I have a break for around a year when all script broke post ajax implementation, also another year last year? so 5 years on and off? 3 years playing?
Also, I only have crystarium 3 and tokenizer 1 until last year maybe, I also didn't do grindfest a lot until late lvl 400, so I am actually pretty slow at it.

Thank you, I'll just take my time then.

Thank you, I'll just take my time then.

You're welcome, if you're not going to splurge real money or get more wealth from other external source like doing bounties, just take your time, everything seems scarce around lvl 300 up until maybe late 300 or early 400, you feel you could run faster and there are a lot to chase but you don't have enough resources to do more, I believe for most people it won't be anymore when you had build a solid foundation in early-mid 400.

Will monster lab going to pay off?

What script do you use to save the lab's data?

What script do you use to save the lab's data?

HV Utils (what else?)