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post Jan 30 2021, 23:44
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QUOTE(akir44 @ Jan 30 2021, 16:41) *

can the expert give advice in doing item world?
like when should i use amnesia shard?
for example if i want butcher to reach lvl 5.
or butcher5 + fatal4.

For a single potency to level 5, like Butcher5 or Jug5, you will always want the desired potency to be one level above any secondary potency that appears.

Butcher 2 Swift1 is fine
Buthcer 2 Swift2 is worrysome
Butcher 2 Swift3 is bad, and you should reforge by now, as while you may still get Butcher 5 Swift4, you may also end up with a third potency as well.

For dual potency, you just reforge any time you get an undesired, or third potency.
There's no real way around it, and you are going to be stuck in the IW for a while if your RNG isn't good.

At your level, it's best to just get whatever potency comes and focus on getting your melee weapons to IW10 for the void strike, and forget IW exists until you can afford reforging costs for something more specific like But5+Fat4.

Doing the first IW for your armor is worth it as well to see if you are lucky and get one or two Juggernaut levels unlocked straight away, so you can finish the IW for some extra health, but if you just end up with the elemental mitigation potencies, let the equipment be and just try again when you get a better drop with a fresh IW.
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post Jan 30 2021, 23:58
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Anyone have a lot of experience with using a Mace? And ideally also some with Katana or other 2-handed or Niten Ichiryuu.

I've been using a random Average 2H mace in the Item World to power up my main 2H Superior Katana (I've used it both with and without wakizashi). In doing this, I found the mace feels more useful in a lot of ways compared to the higher tier Katana I've been using. The stun seems much more of a benefit than bleeding, and having 3 skills with different cooldowns on them means I am using those a lot more (though I think Katana has these same 3 skills if used alone). I only have Skyward sword when I'm using Katana with wakizashi, and that is very powerful but doesn't feel like it is as effective as successive Great Cleave, Rending Blow, and Shattering strike.

I mostly use the Katana as my main because it was the first Superior-level 2H weapon to drop for me.

I'm considering changing to mace for my main, especially if I get a better one as a drop. Is there some downside to maces compared to Katana that I'm not noticing (either alone as 2H or in Niten Ichiryuu mode)? The Item World battles are only 20 rounds for me, so maybe I'm not getting the full impression of it there.
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post Jan 31 2021, 00:03
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QUOTE(mychelle48 @ Jan 30 2021, 22:58) *

Anyone have a lot of experience with using a Mace? And ideally also some with Katana or other 2-handed or Niten Ichiryuu.

I've been using a random Average 2H mace in the Item World to power up my main 2H Superior Katana (I've used it both with and without wakizashi). In doing this, I found the mace feels more useful in a lot of ways compared to the higher tier Katana I've been using. The stun seems much more of a benefit than bleeding, and having 3 skills with different cooldowns on them means I am using those a lot more (though I think Katana has these same 3 skills if used alone). I only have Skyward sword when I'm using Katana with wakizashi, and that is very powerful but doesn't feel like it is as effective as successive Great Cleave, Rending Blow, and Shattering strike.

I mostly use the Katana as my main because it was the first Superior-level 2H weapon to drop for me.

I'm considering changing to mace for my main, especially if I get a better one as a drop. Is there some downside to maces compared to Katana that I'm not noticing (either alone as 2H or in Niten Ichiryuu mode)? The Item World battles are only 20 rounds for me, so maybe I'm not getting the full impression of it there.

at higher levels, 2h really underperforms. 1h heavy and Dw are faster and safer. At your level, it's all good and 2h still works. Mace gives stun benefit, but that can be dangerous: when they wake up, the monsters get a 'free' attack. So keep your evade high.
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post Jan 31 2021, 00:23
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QUOTE(mychelle48 @ Jan 30 2021, 16:58) *

Anyone have a lot of experience with using a Mace?


Mace is my preferred 2H even at my level. The stun lets you wade into 10 enemies, and assuming you've been managing your overcharge correctly, come out of it better than you went in. Its not fast though, arenas take a long time to complete. It was working well on my Isekai lowbie too for the week I bothered with that.

You have the right idea about it too... rend>shatter, and great cleave saved for things that don't want to die in a timely fashion and/or you have too much overcharge.

I also have been using an Illithid mace instead of Slaughter and I literally "never" use potions, draughts, or whatever else. Maybe once every week or two I come into a situation where I need a potion, but its exceedingly rare. Or if I do an Itemworld on either of the highest two difficulties near the ending rounds. So it has that going for it too.

That said, now that I've basically switched over to Fire Mage for my arenas, I see that draughts come in at about 20x the rate that I use them, so its probably not a good tradeoff to use Illithid once you have a stockpile of draughts. Just saying it can be done because I did it for 430ish levels.
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post Jan 31 2021, 00:27
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QUOTE(mychelle48 @ Jan 30 2021, 18:58) *

I'm considering changing to mace for my main, especially if I get a better one as a drop. Is there some downside to maces compared to Katana that I'm not noticing (either alone as 2H or in Niten Ichiryuu mode)? The Item World battles are only 20 rounds for me, so maybe I'm not getting the full impression of it there.

Taking reference from this page https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment#Weapons, you can see that the main difference between a Katana and a Mace is the higher accuracy for the Katana, but in terms of utility, the Mace mass stun is a lot more handy imo.

The only problem with the 2H Fighting Style is that it lacks in defence compared to other styles.

If you are using 2H+Ligth Armor, then you can rely on evasion and some extra parry against physical, but if you are using 2H+Heavy, you are pretty much relying on parry alone as you main defence, which is less than ideal as you won't have any layer of defence against magical attacks besides your mitigation.

Niten is a little bit better in terms of defence as you'll get some extra parry to rely on, but if you are actively using skills instead of spirit stance, then just going with pure 2H might be the best for you.

2H can also gets in trouble due to monster parry if you don't have the overpower potency, while 1H on the other hand has the Overwhelming Strikes proc to rely on, giving you additional counter-parry chance per stack without need for the potency.

Afaik, stunned monsters shouln't be able to parry/evade melee attacks, so that's another plus for the mace vs katana, but I might be wrong on this part.

Just be aware that beyound level 200 2H won't be as viable anymore, and it'll be a good time to switch to 1H+Heavy, as you'll have a much easier time suriving on higher difficulties, allowing you to get better drops and level up faster as well.

If you still find yourself in trouble with monster damage, using Weaken on monster might come in handy, but you'll need to be sure to keep a good stock of mana potions and draughts on you to keep up with the MP costs.

Don't forget to put points in the corresponding deprecating abilities as well if you decide to try it out.
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post Jan 31 2021, 01:46
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Someone could tell me what the maximum amount of times Frenzied Blows can hit a single monster? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Normally I don't even look at the battle log, but two weeks ago I noticed a long sequence of attacks (17 in total (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) ) and I was curious about it (I forgot to post this before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ).

(IMG:[imgur.com] https://imgur.com/NJIdioe.jpg)

Total = 3,919,670 void damage

After that day, I didn't get any results close to that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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post Jan 31 2021, 01:59
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Wiki has it as: Hits up to 5 targets for a total of 10-20 hits (depends on the number of enemies).

I have no clue how up to date/correct it is though
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post Jan 31 2021, 02:26
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jan 30 2021, 20:46) *

Someone could tell me what the maximum amount of times Frenzied Blows can hit a single monster? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


from half a year ago
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Total = 3,919,670 void damage

btw, my max is 6,194,907, from last month :⌃)
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post Jan 31 2021, 03:13
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QUOTE(Shank @ Jan 30 2021, 20:59) *

Wiki has it as: Hits up to 5 targets for a total of 10-20 hits (depends on the number of enemies).

I have no clue how up to date/correct it is though


Many thanks for the reply. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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from half a year ago
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btw, my max is 6,194,907, from last month :⌃)


Impressive! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Super lololo16 in action! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jan 31 2021, 04:05
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how do you calculate total pxp to reach tier 10?
what is the average price per pxp in case i want to use iw service?
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post Jan 31 2021, 04:26
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Hi, at what difficulty does Magnificent and Legendary equipment tend to drop in battle? At what level or skill state should I consider going up to a higher difficulty setting?
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post Jan 31 2021, 04:35
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QUOTE(hentailover6983 @ Jan 31 2021, 03:26) *

Hi, at what difficulty does Magnificent and Legendary equipment tend to drop in battle?
For Mag and Leg are usually IWBTH and PFUDOR the best.
QUOTE(hentailover6983 @ Jan 31 2021, 03:26) *

At what level or skill state should I consider going up to a higher difficulty setting?
This is not so much about level or skills, but more about your equipment and about what is still comfortable for you. So i would suggest to try it out yourself what difficulty you are able to handle.
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post Jan 31 2021, 10:13
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QUOTE(freaknar @ Jan 31 2021, 02:05) *

how do you calculate total pxp to reach tier 10?

For interpretation purposes:
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For calculation purposes:
[www.wolframalpha.com] PXP formula

Substitute PXP0 by the PXP value at level 0 of the gear piece in question. You can also substitute the exponent 10 by the level you want to calculate (1 to 10). The answer is "Decimal Form" rounded to units.

QUOTE(freaknar @ Jan 31 2021, 02:05) *

what is the average price per pxp in case i want to use iw service?

No idea about this one.

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post Jan 31 2021, 23:27
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Anyone know why when I reached Forge Upgrade Level 41, the 91st point of Magic Damage on my staff didn't unlock?

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Upgrade#Forge_Ranks

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[i.ibb.co] https://i.ibb.co/8xQG05T/Forge-Why1.jpg

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post Jan 31 2021, 23:58
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How do I obtain low-grade metals? Apparently it is not the same as scrap metals. And I cannot find anywhere to buy it in the bazar.
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post Feb 1 2021, 00:03
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QUOTE(JackieTjan @ Jan 31 2021, 23:58) *

How do I obtain low-grade metals? Apparently it is not the same as scrap metals. And I cannot find anywhere to buy it in the bazar.


You either have them from Monster Lab or by salvaging Superior 1H/2H weapons or Heavy Armor (probably your only option in isekai). Also, you could buy them from HVmarket.

The ones in the baazar are sold by other people, so don't expect to see many there.

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post Feb 1 2021, 01:44
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jan 30 2021, 15:46) *

Someone could tell me what the maximum amount of times Frenzied Blows can hit a single monster? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Normally I don't even look at the battle log, but two weeks ago I noticed a long sequence of attacks (17 in total (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) ) and I was curious about it (I forgot to post this before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ).

(IMG:[imgur.com] https://imgur.com/NJIdioe.jpg)

Total = 3,919,670 void damage

After that day, I didn't get any results close to that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

So, do the number of hits scale with your weapon proficiency? Because I'm trying this out for inseki and it's a crowd-cleaner.
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post Feb 1 2021, 02:49
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Is plate inferior to power armor in survivability on high difficulty, or just much slower?
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post Feb 1 2021, 03:03
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QUOTE(Ser6IjVolk @ Feb 1 2021, 01:49) *

Is plate inferior to power armor in survivability on high difficulty, or just much slower?
Plate has the higher mitigation ranges and the chance to have additional block chance, while power has the damage, the crit chance and the chance to have additional crit damage. But if you know wonder how a full plate set would compete against a full power set. The power set would win, because you have to keep in mind, that this is a lot of damage difference. Less damage doesnt just means you are slower and take longer, but you also have to tank much more hits and the difference in mitigation may even not be enough to actually make a difference. So your question should be, is there actually a point to use plate instead of power armor later on in the game? And the answer would be, no, there is not really a point.
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post Feb 1 2021, 11:20
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QUOTE(Chaisy @ Jan 31 2021, 13:27) *

Anyone know why when I reached Forge Upgrade Level 41, the 91st point of Magic Damage on my staff didn't unlock?

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Upgrade#Forge_Ranks


Refreshing the page doesn't work? I'd upgrade your wisdom and intelligence first. There won't be much change from one level in magic damage.

Nezu edit: removed the giant images from the quote, sorry

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