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post Jan 23 2021, 21:15
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QUOTE(aleden @ Jan 23 2021, 15:34) *

Genuine, genuine question...

Spark is just more convenient to have in the auto cast slots due to the situation you'll be in after it triggers.

If it has triggered, you'll need to heal up and recast spark again in the next turns, so you have to choose which one to do first, which will probably be healing if you don't want a high chance for spark to trigger right away, opening a window for you to be attacked without spark on.

Having it on innate arcana allows you to just heal up with peace of mind, as in the next turn you'll already have spark autocaston you, so even if you eat up two consecutive killing blows, as unlikely as that might be will all the layers of protection you have as 1h+shield, you still won't die.

Arenas are fairly easy, so it's mostly for high difficulty Item Worlds and late stage IWBTH and PFUDOR grindfests, but I still prefer having spark on IA just in case.
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post Jan 24 2021, 00:46
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QUOTE(Nezu @ Jan 23 2021, 20:37) *

Arenas are fairly easy, so spark of life for melee players in general is mostly an 'oh shit' protection in case you really fuck up, or get unlucky with multiple SP attack crits from 2250s and such. But for pfest, it's practically a necessity (except for Uncle Stu, apparently).

Your mileage may vary at low levels depending on your playstyle, equipment you're using, luck etc.

Yeah I forgot that people will probably be doing pfest, so that makes sense. For me, I do it so little that it's just more convenient to keep the shields on my two IA slots and switch over to Spark the few times I'll go in there

QUOTE(Noni @ Jan 23 2021, 20:38) *

yes

Thanks Noni (Just realized you dropped the DJ from your name)

QUOTE(Kinights @ Jan 23 2021, 21:15) *

Spark is just more convenient to have in the auto cast slots due to the situation you'll be in after it triggers.

If it has triggered, you'll need to heal up and recast spark again in the next turns, so you have to choose which one to do first, which will probably be healing if you don't want a high chance for spark to trigger right away, opening a window for you to be attacked without spark on.

Having it on innate arcana allows you to just heal up with peace of mind, as in the next turn you'll already have spark autocaston you, so even if you eat up two consecutive killing blows, as unlikely as that might be will all the layers of protection you have as 1h+shield, you still won't die.

Arenas are fairly easy, so it's mostly for high difficulty Item Worlds and late stage IWBTH and PFUDOR grindfests, but I still prefer having spark on IA just in case.


Forgot all about PFest, so yeah that does make sense. I can't say, however, I've been that ass-fucked unlucky to get buttfuck Crit'd twice where casting Spark vs Full Cure is the biggest issue. Of course, all of this is literally moot if you just get a third IA slot. Which only costs 250 hath so it's not too expensive. You know, just keep collecting your hath each day (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jan 24 2021, 01:06
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QUOTE(Nezu @ Jan 23 2021, 19:37) *

(except for Uncle Stu, apparently).
Everyone else can do it. You just need enough forging and IW- avoid cap even when i can do it with cap5 on the hemlet, thanks yami. Not even a full peerl set should be needed. Just avoid savage because it is useless and mythril because i am not convinced it wouldnt actually hurt more as it would help, but a nice rainbow of elemental mitigations at least two warding from my math three would be as good or even better and you are golden. Bam, you have a 1H set that is able to let you clear a whole PFest just fine without any SoL. It is no magic.
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post Jan 24 2021, 02:30
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Isekai question:

How much are you expected to exchage at the shrine on average per day if you clear all second page arenas, adding FSM and TT&T RoBs?

To simplify the question, how many peerless vouchers are players expecting to get from Isekai from shrining trophies they get themselves?
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post Jan 24 2021, 03:11
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QUOTE(Kinights @ Jan 23 2021, 21:30) *

To simplify the question, how many peerless vouchers are players expecting to get from Isekai from shrining trophies they get themselves?

I reached 2m in 14 days, (missed arenas just the first day), so...

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post Jan 24 2021, 09:32
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So which is a better plan to get my Fire Mage going (persistent):

A) Play melee on PFUDOR and toss in a Fiery Blast every round. This levels my elemental fastest but doesn't level staff nor cloth armor.

B) Play as fire mage on IWBTH. This levels all three proficiencies but at 2/3rds the rate of PFUDOR. Or is it 3/4ths? Anyways...

My character is level 433 and my steady state proficiency is level + 50 for stuff I use every round. Elemental is currently 396 base and 665 effective. Staff and cloth are at 385 for both. Steady state proficiency for stuff I don't use at all is level - 59 or so, thanks to Dawns.

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post Jan 24 2021, 09:36
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QUOTE(Chaisy @ Jan 24 2021, 08:32) *

So which is a better plan to get my Fire Mage going (persistent):

A) Play melee on PFUDOR and toss in a Fiery Blast every round. This levels my elemental fastest but doesn't level staff nor cloth armor.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Play as fire mage on IWBTH. This levels all three proficiencies but at 2/3rds the rate of PFUDOR. Or is it 3/4ths? Anyways...

My character is level 433 and my steady state proficiency is level + 50 for stuff I use every round. Elemental is currently 396 base and 665 effective. Staff and cloth are at 385 for both. Steady state proficiency for stuff I don't use at all is level - 59 or so, thanks to Dawns.

both strategies work fine. Also, you can actually play on PFUDOR in arena's quite quickly. You should use A) until you have all gear complete, then just play full mage on PFUDOR or IWBTH if it's too tough
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post Jan 24 2021, 09:41
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QUOTE(Noni @ Jan 24 2021, 02:36) *

both strategies work fine. Also, you can actually play on PFUDOR in arena's quite quickly. You should use A) until you have all gear complete, then just play full mage on PFUDOR or IWBTH if it's too tough


Thanks, I have my gear done as far as I can with forge level 39, except only first 5 on the phases and also except int/wis on the staff/robe. I don't seem to be ready for PFUDOR though, but I'm close to out of money so I can't finish it just yet.

I guess my question is, how critical is having cloth/staff at or above my level? Or can I leave them ~ 60 points behind?

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post Jan 24 2021, 10:41
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QUOTE(Chaisy @ Jan 24 2021, 08:41) *

Thanks, I have my gear done as far as I can with forge level 39, except only first 5 on the phases and also except int/wis on the staff/robe. I don't seem to be ready for PFUDOR though, but I'm close to out of money so I can't finish it just yet.

I guess my question is, how critical is having cloth/staff at or above my level? Or can I leave them ~ 60 points behind?

60 is a bit much.... soulfuse the good stuff. Also, more forging should not be needed to run PFUDOR, I'd say.
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post Jan 24 2021, 10:48
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QUOTE(Noni @ Jan 24 2021, 03:41) *

60 is a bit much.... soulfuse the good stuff.


Oh, no, I meant 60 proficiency points behind my level. All of the gear is soulfused... primarily because most of it was higher than my level and otherwise I couldn't use it yet.

Also I forgot I don't have any juggernaut on two of the armor pieces... I kept getting capacitor so eventually I just leveled those two to 5 cap / random resist.
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post Jan 24 2021, 12:17
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Why is evasion on 1h heavy armor is considered bad or penalty?
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post Jan 24 2021, 12:40
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QUOTE(forneus_zero @ Jan 24 2021, 17:17) *

Why is evasion on 1h heavy armor is considered bad or penalty?


if u dont get hit u dont block/parry therefor no counter
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post Jan 24 2021, 12:50
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QUOTE(forneus_zero @ Jan 24 2021, 10:17) *

Why is evasion on 1h heavy armor is considered bad or penalty?

... because the said players who think that don't play PFUDOR Grindfest? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jan 24 2021, 15:18
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QUOTE(forneus_zero @ Jan 24 2021, 10:17) *

Why is evasion on 1h heavy armor is considered bad or penalty?


Evade happens before block/parry, so it cuts into your counters per turn. Most players in HV are optimizing for speed in easy content (arenas) because not many actually play grindfest.
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post Jan 25 2021, 00:20
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QUOTE(Paarfi @ Jan 23 2021, 20:17) *

Shrining my 12 stuffers on persistent: I suppose staff is the best slot for possibility to sell? I know that staff would be the most useful for me personally but the chance of getting something good is already too low, so I may as well just go for the average income.

if you gambling for personal stuff then staff cause less possible combinations -> higher chance to get somethin useable
if you gambling for profit then cloth cause HGW cheaper than HGC (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jan 25 2021, 09:14
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How should I buy energy cells in isekai? Just from the item shop in isekai?

Can I buy isekai energy cells in some other way like with regular credits in regular player shops?
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post Jan 25 2021, 09:53
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I've got a question about shrining in Isekai.

In order to get that peerless voucher thingy, the best course of action would be to set the shrine option to "upgrade to tier 5" and then just shrine everything I get, right? And this means I get just 1 piece of equipment per 32 Manbearpig Tails, etc?
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post Jan 25 2021, 10:32
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For Isekai mode, I understand that I only receive soul fragments from completing the Tower battles and spending credits in the shop. What would be the most effective way to use my soul fragments? Do I gather enough from the Tower to soulfuse a high-tier weapon/armor piece or should I just soulfuse my current stuff?
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post Jan 25 2021, 16:09
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Jan 25 2021, 04:14) *

How should I buy energy cells in isekai? Just from the item shop in isekai?

Can I buy isekai energy cells in some other way like with regular credits in regular player shops?

If you wish to spend money wisely, then I suggest to completely avoid repairing special grade equipment, and only focus on weapon repairs while you are still likely to find replacements for most of your armor.

If you already have something you are unlikely to replace, opening a WTB thread is always the cheapest option to go, but we are still unlikely to have a decent stock of materials from salvaged gear for scrap mats, energy cells and such to be cheaper than simply buying them from the item shop.

QUOTE(friggo @ Jan 25 2021, 04:53) *

I've got a question about shrining in Isekai.

In order to get that peerless voucher thingy, the best course of action would be to set the shrine option to "upgrade to tier 5" and then just shrine everything I get, right? And this means I get just 1 piece of equipment per 32 Manbearpig Tails, etc?

Yes, Tier 5 upgrade is the best option to get the most "total credits donated" in case you are aiming for a Peerless Voucher.

And yes, you will only get a single equipment piece in return(at minimun Superior quality), as you are exchanging multiple lower tier trophies for a single higher tier tropy.

Here's the default option upgrade ratio:

Level 200: Tier 2 => Tier 3 at a rate of 4:1
Level 300: Tier 3 => Tier 4 at a rate of 2:1
Level 400: Tier 4 => Tier 5 at a rate of 4:1

In a nutshell, if you choose Tier 5 upgrade, you'll be exchanging x32 Tier 2, x8 Tier 3 or x4 Tier 4 trophies to get x1 equipment that you'd get from a Tier 5 Trophy, while getting a bonus to the value of each trophy you shrined.

QUOTE(hentailover6983 @ Jan 25 2021, 05:32) *

For Isekai mode, I understand that I only receive soul fragments from completing the Tower battles and spending credits in the shop. What would be the most effective way to use my soul fragments? Do I gather enough from the Tower to soulfuse a high-tier weapon/armor piece or should I just soulfuse my current stuff?

Seeing how we'll carry over any soulfused equipment over to HV persistent when the Isekai season is over, I'd suggest to soulfuse something you are likely to use with your persistent character.

If you don't intend on purchasing any soul fragments from the item shop, which you shouldn't because they are quite expensive, then you'll have a very limited amount of fragments from clearing each tower floor.

I'm considering soulfusing only Legendary weapons that I'll be using for the entirety of the season, as they have very cheap repair fees and I'll be item worlding and forging those.

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post Jan 25 2021, 23:53
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For the Tower in Isekai mode, does playing a higher difficulty net you a higher finishing rank?
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