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post Jan 1 2021, 07:48
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ok guys i think my auto cast slot are bugged(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/eyAat9B.png)
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post Jan 1 2021, 07:54
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ok guys i think my auto cast slot are bugged

Hath perks can take a few hours to activate.
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post Jan 1 2021, 08:02
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Is it possible to get a peerless item as one of the Arena clear bonuses? Or do most peerless drops come from random battles like legendary?
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post Jan 1 2021, 08:26
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Is it possible to get a peerless item as one of the Arena clear bonuses? Or do most peerless drops come from random battles like legendary?

The odds are the same, but you are more likely to get them from random drops because there are more random drops.

Base drop chance for peerless is .0001%

Arena clear bonus has the same odds as a trophy, and all trophies have a .0001% chance for peerless. Higher difficulty arenas give better rewards. DwD on PFUDOR is equivalent to a T8 trophy, the two below are T7, and so on. So the chance for peerless is always the same, but the later arenas give more legendaries.
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post Jan 1 2021, 11:35
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QUOTE(LogJammin @ Jan 1 2021, 06:26) *

Arena clear bonus has the same odds as a trophy, and all trophies have a .0001% chance for peerless. Higher difficulty arenas give better rewards. DwD on PFUDOR is equivalent to a T8 trophy, the two below are T7, and so on. So the chance for peerless is always the same, but the later arenas give more legendaries.


This is untrue (and I probably need to rewrite that part of the wiki to make it more clear) - what this actually means is the lowest level of trophies have a 0.0001% chance at a peerless, but higher tier trophies have higher chances (this also applies to clear bonuses in arenas - the DWD clear bonus has one of the highest peerless chances available in the game).
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post Jan 1 2021, 20:31
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post Jan 2 2021, 01:11
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I am definitely winning faster as completely unoptimised holy mage than as DW. I will either stubbornly cling to holy or move to elemental. However I want to clarify some things:

I. Am I right that Destruction is always preferable to other suffixes on the same type of staff (and Oak of Heimdall is optimal only because Oak cannot get Destruction)?

II. I know that tier is not necessary the best indicator, but with "average" rolls in which order would you place the power of the following variants
1. Magnificent Hallowed Oak of Heimdall
2. Legendary Hallowed Oak of the non-Heimdall
3. Legendary non-Hallowed Oak of Heimdall
4. Legendary Hallowed Katalox of Destruction
5. Legendary non-Hallowed Katalox of Heimdall
6. Legendary Hallowed Katalox of Heimdall

III. Is there something wrong with following armors, or Legendaries with the right suffix and random prefix is a good starting point for a mage and I should forge them (or their equivalents for other element if I go for it) beyond 5 levels?
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/81798793/626510d625
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/91467342/227c04449b
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/88422175/4766eebbac
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/97115279/e723363b82
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/94842171/e366b8d0ac

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post Jan 2 2021, 08:29
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I want to change my job to mage. Is this guide still relatable ?
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post Jan 2 2021, 08:51
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I want to change my job to mage. Is this guide still relatable ?
I would assume it is. Nothing did really change and the last edit was 2020. But i still want to point out, maging is expensive. And here is a piece of advice from me, dont go Holy. I mean it. Just dont unless you have more credits as you possible could spend at your disposal.
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post Jan 2 2021, 16:17
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I wonder what's better for an elementalist: a full charged cotton of elementalist set or a full phase of particular element set? Or mixing is the optimal way? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Jan 2 2021, 17:25
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I wonder what's better for an elementalist: a full charged cotton of elementalist set or a full phase of particular element set? Or mixing is the optimal way? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


Mixing. Beyond 1.0 prof factor (1000 prof at level 500) you get nothing from it, and that's very achievable.

On the other end, prof factor is significantly more efficient than raw EDB up to a sort of 'soft cap' for imperil mages (where worst-case enemy mitigations are reduced to 0 with imperil), although non-imperil mages will always aim for 1.0 - and there's not really non-imperil mages doing grindfests anymore at PFUDOR difficulty (besides god-geared holy) due to monster lab development.

The 'best' cotton proficiency slot to use depends on your base proficiency and how high you feel you can realistically go with that - for elemental mages, shoes are optimal, but only if you can hit ~580 base proficiency, which most people probably won't do in their lifetimes (the exponential exp requirements are nuts).

To that end I usually advise new mages to just use a robe or pants - they'll be using it for a long time, especially if they use a willow staff - and by the time they're strong enough to switch to gloves or shoes, they won't be so concerned about cost-efficiency of purchasing gear anyway.

Holy and dark mages in general will always use a combination of two from cap, gloves or shoes, and it's a lot less punishing to hit the base proficiency for 1.0 with that, but it's still a reasonable grind.

When you see people discussing mages as 4+1 or 3+2, this refers to the two phase+cotton balance setups.
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post Jan 2 2021, 18:26
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Tenboro told us on IRC that he ordered new servers especially for hentaiverse. I doubt that he would do that if he wasn't developing it. Maybe he needed better servers for the big plans he had? Because, for the current version, new servers don't seem necessary. They seem to run smoothly and stable. No, I still haven't given up hope.
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post Jan 2 2021, 19:35
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So I'm coming back to hentaiverse after a year+ of not playing and am struggling a bit with survivability. I currently have two characters a 1 hand heavy with which I can clear most content on PFUDR all be it slow (2 and a half hours for the arena A Dance with Dragons) The only time I die with the character is whenever I encounter an enemy that can drain/leach my mana and I can't use spirit shield/cure anymore

How can I better deal with mana draining enemies as this build? I never know who is actually draining it

The second character I made is a mage, I'm completely new to mages and been playing one for just under a day now. I noticed that I can clear enemies a lot faster but that I constantly need to heal myself. I use Imperil and Weaken on every enemy as otherwise I barely touch them. I opted for a Wind build as the equipment I had was suited to those stats.

Is it worth buying into mage gear at my level? I'd have to soulbind the items I assume? If so with a budget around 40M credits what should I be looking for, I've read that dark/holy is expensive but never seen any figures for how expensive.

Looking at the wiki it ranks the stats in importantness MDB > EDB ≥ Proficiencies but I've no idea what MDB or EDB stands for, searches around didn't help me figure them out.

Lastly, proficiency using HVutils I can see the following value under the equipment tab. 0.019 Proficiency Factor This is way, way lower than the recommended .68~.70 I've seen around. How do I go about improving this?

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post Jan 2 2021, 19:49
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QUOTE(Someguywith @ Jan 2 2021, 18:35) *

So I'm coming back to hentaiverse after a year+ of not playing
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QUOTE(Someguywith @ Jan 2 2021, 18:35) *

The only time I die with the character is whenever I encounter an enemy that can drain/leach my mana and I can't use spirit shield/cure anymore

How can I better deal with mana draining enemies as this build? I never know who is actually draining it
Yeah, something like that doesnt exist in the game. So when your mana does "just disapear" it is because you somehow cast spells. You solve this problem by simple not casting spells.
QUOTE(Someguywith @ Jan 2 2021, 18:35) *

The second character I made is a mage, I'm completely new to mages and been playing one for just under a day now. I noticed that I can clear enemies a lot faster but that I constantly need to heal myself. I use Imperil and Weaken on every enemy as otherwise I barely touch them. I opted for a Wind build as the equipment I had was suited to those stats.
Playing as a mage is expensive and need quite some preparation and investments. It isnt something you just do on a whim. You need the right staff for your mage style, you need the right IW on that staff, you need the right amount of prof factor, and sure as sure you need some forging. And also some level of DD dont hurt.
QUOTE(Someguywith @ Jan 2 2021, 18:35) *

Is it worth buying into mage gear at my level? I'd have to soulbind the items I assume? If so with a budget around 40M credits what should I be looking for, I've read that dark/holy is expensive but never seen any figures for how expensive.
If you didnt even reached the point of soulfusing your equipment. Playing as mage isnt really for you.
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Looking at the wiki it ranks the stats in importantness MDB > EDB ≥ Proficiencies but I've no idea what MDB or EDB stands for, searches around didn't help me figure them out.
MDB is magical damage EDB is elemental damage aka spell damage.
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Lastly, proficiency using HVutils I can see the following value under the equipment tab. 0.019 Proficiency Factor This is way, way lower than the recommended .68~.70 I've seen around. How do I go about improving this?
0.019 prof factor? Wow, you really did just start maging on a whim didnt you? Do you use a full phase armor set? Because that is not how to do it. So when it is recoomended around 0.7 prof factor i assume you try to play as a elemental mage. What is your effective elemental proficiency?
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post Jan 2 2021, 20:20
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jan 2 2021, 18:49) *

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Thank you ^^

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Yeah, something like that doesnt exist in the game. So when your mana does "just disapear" it is because you somehow cast spells. You solve this problem by simple not casting spells.

Hmm, strange it defiantly feels like mana just suddenly drops like bitcoin did but I'll keep an eye out I might've been accidentally casting spells with hover, that would explain it.

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jan 2 2021, 18:49) *

If you didnt even reached the point of soulfusing your equipment. Playing as mage isnt really for you.

I have the soul gems for it, but I am afraid of spending them in case I waste them on bad items. As for my 1h heavy I've got everything soulfused there.

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jan 2 2021, 18:49) *
0.019 prof factor? Wow, you really did just start maging on a whim didnt you? Do you use a full phase armor set? Because that is not how to do it. So when it is recoomended around 0.7 prof factor i assume you try to play as a elemental mage. What is your effective elemental proficiency?


Yeah I just started playing a mage less than 24 hours ago. The equipment I am currently using is stuff that I managed to have picked up over the course of playing as a h1 heavy player. I would show it off but I'm not sure what the best way of linking it would be. And you're correct I am currently trying to play as an elemental mage.

Staff: soul bound Superior willow staff of destruction
Helmet: legendary Jade Cotton Cap of Protection
Body: Legendary Amber Cotton Robe of the Curse-weaver
Hands: Superior Cotton Gloves of the Curse-weaver
Legs: Legendary Charged Cotton Pants of the Earth-walker
Feet: Superior Cotton shoes of the Earth-walker

As for my Proficiency, I have an effective elemental proficiency of 389

Thanks for helping out by the way, I really appreciate it ^^
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post Jan 2 2021, 20:33
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QUOTE(Someguywith @ Jan 2 2021, 19:20) *

Hmm, strange it defiantly feels like mana just suddenly drops like bitcoin did but I'll keep an eye out I might've been accidentally casting spells with hover, that would explain it.
We allready had a few of such cases and in the end it was allways that they were using monsterbation and did press a hotkey that did start spell casting instead of normal attacks.
QUOTE(Someguywith @ Jan 2 2021, 19:20) *

I have the soul gems for it, but I am afraid of spending them in case I waste them on bad items. As for my 1h heavy I've got everything soulfused there.
If you dont even know what equipment is good for a mage, it isnt the style for you as long as you dont have the faintes idea what you actually need.
QUOTE(Someguywith @ Jan 2 2021, 19:20) *

Yeah I just started playing a mage less than 24 hours ago. The equipment I am currently using is stuff that I managed to have picked up over the course of playing as a h1 heavy player. I would show it off but I'm not sure what the best way of linking it would be. And you're correct I am currently trying to play as an elemental mage.
Hover your mouse cursor above the item and press c that gives you a link for that specific item.
QUOTE(Someguywith @ Jan 2 2021, 19:20) *

Staff: soul bound Superior willow staff of destruction
Okay, i dont know about the willow staff of destruction, but a superior staff is something you really should use, at least a Mag staff should it be. So those soul fragements are allready wasted.
QUOTE(Someguywith @ Jan 2 2021, 19:20) *

Helmet: legendary Jade Cotton Cap of Protection
Body: Legendary Amber Cotton Robe of the Curse-weaver
Hands: Superior Cotton Gloves of the Curse-weaver
Legs: Legendary Charged Cotton Pants of the Earth-walker
Feet: Superior Cotton shoes of the Earth-walker
A mage doesnt uses protection gear and i mean ever. Course-weaver can be helpfull, but for you it is the same as protection, useless, the same is true for Earth-walker. And again, you should use any superior items. At least Mag or dont play Mage at all. You would need iirc a Leg Cotton Robe of the Elementalist to reach the prof factor you need. And for that you would need to fully forge the Elemental prof on that. And iirc the rest should be phase of (your element) because rainbow mage isnt a thing. Choose one element. Fire, Elec, Wind or Cold, doesnt matter too much, but choose one and stay with that. So if you want to be a Fire Mage you need phase of Surtr. And when that is the best stuff you have, i am sorry to tell you, but with that you wont be able to play as a mage. At least not in a way that would ever be fun for you. Mage will allways be nothing but a glass cannon, but with that equipment you are barely a glass butter knive.
QUOTE(Someguywith @ Jan 2 2021, 19:20) *

As for my Proficiency, I have an effective elemental proficiency of 389
Well at least that seems all right, because i did wonder if you did skip all your dawn prof and havent any elemental prof, but seen that your armor set doesnt give you any elemental prof that has been explained.
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Thanks for helping out by the way, I really appreciate it ^^
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post Jan 2 2021, 21:17
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jan 2 2021, 19:33) *
We allready had a few of such cases and in the end it was allways that they were using monsterbation and did press a hotkey that did start spell casting instead of normal attacks.

Yup, just double checked and you're correct monsterbation was the culprit.

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If you dont even know what equipment is good for a mage, it isnt the style for you as long as you dont have the faintes idea what you actually need.

I kinda blame this on the 1h heavy build. I just hammered into my head "Bigger numbers is better" and it seemed to work for that play style, all be it slow as hell. I never really dove into any specific details and stuck with what worked. And now that I'm trying to get away form it everything is falling apart lol. But I want to change that and try to understand what is needed.

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jan 2 2021, 19:33) *

... but with that equipment you are barely a glass butter knive.

Alright I'll put mage to the side now and I'll continue to use my 1h build until I got a proper set of mage equipment. Because my current load out. Looking around the WTS forums I see that most stuff is from ~480 to 500. I guess leveling to lvl 400 would allow me to pick up anything I want. Most items seem to be well within my budget, a few million credits each for most items. What item is recommended to splurge on?
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QUOTE(Someguywith @ Jan 2 2021, 20:17) *

Yup, just double checked and you're correct monsterbation was the culprit.
Yup, no suprise here. I know my pappenheimer. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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I kinda blame this on the 1h heavy build. I just hammered into my head "Bigger numbers is better" and it seemed to work for that play style, all be it slow as hell.
Well the same is still true for mage. It is not that complicated. Just like a force shield is best, depending on what mage style you want to play another staff is better. Oak staff for holy, redwood for fire/cold, willow for wind/elec. And never ever again use a staff without prefix. So lets say you want to play fire mage. In that case only use a Fiery Redwood Staff. So if you see a mag redwood staff of destruction without prefix or the ethereal prefix, move along, because that one is fire wood.
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I never really dove into any specific details and stuck with what worked. And now that I'm trying to get away form it everything is falling apart lol. But I want to change that and try to understand what is needed.
It isnt too complicated. In the end it is as any other style. Bigger number are better, you should need to know what numbers are important.
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Alright I'll put mage to the side now and I'll continue to use my 1h build until I got a proper set of mage equipment.
That could take a while.
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Because my current load out. Looking around the WTS forums I see that most stuff is from ~480 to 500. I guess leveling to lvl 400 would allow me to pick up anything I want. Most items seem to be well within my budget, a few million credits each for most items. What item is recommended to splurge on?
Keep in mind that it isnt just about the equipment. You really need some forging before you are ready to go. And Phazon and HGC cost a bit more as Actuators and HGM. I mean look at me, i did put most of my income from last year into my beer mage set, and i didnt even had to buy the staff because i did drop a good one. And i am still not able to do a PFest. You need the right staff, you need right prof item and you need some good phase items. Charged and/or Radiant would be best, but that of course means higher prices. After that you also need forging. That cost even more. And you would need some level of the DD perk. You should also keep in mind elemental mage is allways played with imperil. Allways and there is no exeption i am aware off.
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jan 2 2021, 20:33) *

Keep in mind that it isnt just about the equipment. You really need some forging before you are ready to go. And Phazon and HGC cost a bit more as Actuators and HGM. I mean look at me, i did put most of my income from last year into my beer mage set, and i didnt even had to buy the staff because i did drop a good one. And i am still not able to do a PFest. You need the right staff, you need right prof item and you need some good phase items. Charged and/or Radiant would be best, but that of course means higher prices. After that you also need forging. That cost even more. And you would need some level of the DD perk. You should also keep in mind elemental mage is allways played with imperil. Allways and there is no exeption i am aware off.

Yeah I've been playing with imperil and that's what's been allowing me to kill enemies. I have not really found any good sources on forging, the wiki just explains what it is and not what to go for. Do you have any resources that I can read up on forging? And in that regard 1h heavy and/or elemental mage? So far I've only touche the forge to repair items really.
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QUOTE(Someguywith @ Jan 2 2021, 20:45) *

Do you have any resources that I can read up on forging? And in that regard 1h heavy and/or elemental mage? So far I've only touche the forge to repair items really.
Well i have me. So for 1H it usually depends on what you need. I remember you need quite some time on DwD with it. So i would suggest for more damage and parry and parry does include Dex which also gives you some damage and crit chance. But when you did use superior gear in your mage set, i would assume that you still dont have a full Leg set. So that would maybe also a good idea. For DwD it is also helpfull to use imperil if you dont allready do and after imperil and at least one stack of penetrated armor debuff from your rapier hit the SG with a vital strike and show her whos boss.

For mages the really very first thing you should do is forge your elemental prof. Get that prof factor runnin. After that i would actually suggest to get first some Evade and PM. A mage will allways be quite fragile compared to 1H, but having some PM and Evade still can mage the difference between healing every single round at least once, and only having to heal once every few rounds. For that it is also helpfull to forge Agi, it gives you both PM and Evade. You should also use all the support spells, except heart seeker of course. For that you may want to get some IA perks if you dont allready have them. They can really save you some mana. Also keep those mana draughts comming. Allways have a mana draught filling up your mana is a must have. And keep in mind that you also allways have enough SP to keep your SoL running. It can be quite frustrating to die only because the SoL failled because you didnt had enough of them. And all of that will cost you quite a bit. 1H is much cheaper and i am quite sure your 1H set can still be quite improved. I mean you do one DwD in two and a half hour? Let me show you what 1H can do in two and a half hour.
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