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post Dec 16 2020, 11:44
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QUOTE(shamil11 @ Dec 16 2020, 02:57) *

For Holy mages, is there any real benefit in using a Hallowed Willow Staff of Destruction? It's a mismatch in gear, to be sure, but a positive would be much higher (on average) MDB and Dep Prof (Supportive was useful early on for defense, but somewhat negated by investment in Innate Arcana), but the loss of Holy EDB/Prof seems like it would require too much other effort to balance (i.e., another prof-devoted clothing) that would probably erase the extra MDB benefit in the process. I assume somebody has tinkered with the idea long before, so I'm just curious if there are any established opinions about this.


Nah, if it was just the EDB loss it'd be fine (like fire/cold), but the prof loss as well is too much.
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post Dec 16 2020, 14:29
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Additional to what lestion and Noni allready said, Dep prof is not as helpfull as Sup prof. If you play holy with imperil full time, you are doing something terrible wrong.
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post Dec 16 2020, 16:42
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Additional to what lestion and Noni allready said, Dep prof is not as helpfull as Sup prof. If you play holy with imperil full time, you are doing something terrible wrong.


Not exactly, your logic is kind of backwards here - the reason holy doesn't play imperil is specifically because of its staff options.

Imperil mages want as much counter-resist as possible for imperil, and a good amount of that comes from deprecating proficiency. Hence an ideal imperil staff would have both deprecating prof and counter-resist on it.

For this reason, even fire/cold mages will ideally use willow staffs for grindfest, even though they lose some EDB for it. However, willow still has elemental proficiency, so EDB is the only loss there.

Holy, however, has three options:

Oak - has base holy EDB, divine proficiency, base counter-resist but no deprecating proficiency
Katalox - has base holy EDB, divine proficiency, deprecating proficiency, but no base counter-resist
Willow - has deprecating proficiency and base counter-resist, but no base holy EDB or divine proficiency

As you can see, in all cases a holy imperil player would be sacrificing something enormous, making holy the worst element for imperil mage.

Why is holy still desirable, then? In optimal circumstances (exceptional DD level, full forged high-end radiants, very good staff) it can outperform imperil mage in turns, and generally it's more comfortable in real-time also.

Also, most players don't actually play grindfest/item world - for arenas, REs and RoBs, the bar is much lower and holy can enter there sooner (although this is strictly for the comfort of non-imperil, because it'll generally perform similarly to dark and only barely better than other elements).

For reference, the holy gear in my signature combined with DD9 is not enough to make it better than my elec set except on Sunday.
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post Dec 16 2020, 17:09
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QUOTE(lestion @ Dec 16 2020, 15:42) *

As you can see, in all cases a holy imperil player would be sacrificing something enormous, making holy the worst element for imperil mage.

Aka
QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 16 2020, 13:29) *

If you play holy with imperil full time, you are doing something terrible wrong.

I rest my case. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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post Dec 18 2020, 12:54
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Dear Experts, I know I'm not a new Player anymore, but I have also a Question and hope that I'm still allowed to ask Questions here.
Recently I play not only Arenas, but also sometimes 1 round PFUDOR Fest per Day with my 1H-Mage (2 rounds, if I want to compare Buckler with different Suffix). Because I'm Human (Though I konw that the other Players are also Human) and have my Reallife, I can't always play through the Fest continuously like other Players. That means, I may stay 2 Hours or more in Fest without any Action, ex. I play through the 500 Floors, and then I cook my Meal, eat it, wash my Dish and claen the House, maybe also go to Supermarkt, Bank or Postoffice (Even under Lockddown), 2 Hours or even later I come back Home and play through the rest 500 Floors.
I'm not sure, if staying in Fest without any Action violates the Rules here, maybe someone will say I'm Bot because I don't play like the Players who can play through the Fest continuously. I used to play Arenas but in Arena I don't have such a Problem. So I think I should ask you here. If it violates the Rules, I can also stop play Fest, when I don't have a lot continuous free Time, or I can also flee, before I leave my Computer.
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post Dec 18 2020, 13:30
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QUOTE(chjj30 @ Dec 18 2020, 10:54) *

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It's totally fine to take a break in the middle of a battle. You can go away whenever you like, and come back later. Battles persist for a very long time in server memory.
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post Dec 18 2020, 13:38
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QUOTE(lestion @ Dec 18 2020, 19:30) *

It's totally fine to take a break in the middle of a battle. You can go away whenever you like, and come back later. Battles persist for a very long time in server memory.


Thank you Experts, now I can enjoy my Life and HV more.
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post Dec 18 2020, 16:19
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QUOTE(chjj30 @ Dec 18 2020, 12:38) *

Thank you Experts, now I can enjoy my Life and HV more.


Sometimes I start a battle in the evening, then shutdown the PC and go to bed.

The following morning I log in the site again, and there it is, waiting for me to resume; the only drawback is that you loose the REs.

If you visit a gallery for instance, and the link to the next RE pops up, clicking on it will bring you to the battle instead. The RE is lost.
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post Dec 18 2020, 16:46
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QUOTE(mundomuΓ±eca @ Dec 18 2020, 22:19) *

Sometimes I start a battle in the evening, then shutdown the PC and go to bed.

The following morning I log in the site again, and there it is, waiting for me to resume; the only drawback is that you loose the REs.

If you visit a gallery for instance, and the link to the next RE pops up, clicking on it will bring you to the battle instead. The RE is lost.


I can understand this. So I'd like to play one Arena to its End continuously. PFUDOR DwD costs me 12-14 Minuten. But Fest...
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post Dec 19 2020, 09:07
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why Noodly Appendage costed so high?
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post Dec 19 2020, 09:14
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QUOTE(auev @ Dec 19 2020, 08:07) *

why Noodly Appendage costed so high?

because that's the market value... Demand is high, supply is low. [en.wikipedia.org] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
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post Dec 19 2020, 23:45
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Price of everything went up since 3 high value lottery items were sold in the same week and everyone went and sold their C for GP to spend on the lottery. So now lots of C in the economy. Or at least that's my theory, the timing is right.
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post Dec 20 2020, 00:45
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QUOTE(Chaisy @ Dec 19 2020, 21:45) *

Price of everything went up since 3 high value lottery items were sold in the same week and everyone went and sold their C for GP to spend on the lottery. So now lots of C in the economy. Or at least that's my theory, the timing is right.


TBH, the credits involved in that were minimal, and not going to the people who are buying noodles at the moment.

The real reason is that a small handful of star sellers are trying to P2W their way through the game (there's always a few), and FoS is getting worse and worse due to too many FoSers not enough trophies. As a result, more players are moving into the noodle market to try to generate peerlesses.
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post Dec 20 2020, 03:02
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QUOTE(lestion @ Dec 19 2020, 17:45) *

The real reason is that a small handful of star sellers are trying to P2W their way through the game (there's always a few), and FoS is getting worse and worse due to too many FoSers not enough trophies. As a result, more players are moving into the noodle market to try to generate peerlesses.


Well the price of everything, not just noodles, jumped right after those lotteries. Maybe a bunch of gold stars sold then too, I don't know about that. I was actually too lazy to list my noodles and other trophies and kind of lucked out, sold them for a lot more in the past week or so. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Edit: Or maybe its because of bitcoin being high priced? This too happened around the same time.

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post Dec 20 2020, 15:23
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QUOTE(Chaisy @ Dec 20 2020, 01:02) *

Well the price of everything, not just noodles, jumped right after those lotteries. Maybe a bunch of gold stars sold then too, I don't know about that. I was actually too lazy to list my noodles and other trophies and kind of lucked out, sold them for a lot more in the past week or so. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Edit: Or maybe its because of bitcoin being high priced? This too happened around the same time.


No, it's probably just because one particular buyer wanted to raise his placement in the HVMarket toplists... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Dec 20 2020, 15:23
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In my opinion there is also a decent amount of players that don't want a real iteration with others or just don't want to wait to buy something so they go to the HVMarket and pay more to have what they want immediatly and with minimal effort.

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I am one of them.
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post Dec 20 2020, 15:32
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QUOTE(Maharid @ Dec 20 2020, 13:23) *

In my opinion there is also a decent amount of players that don't want a real iteration with others or just don't want to wait to buy something so they go to the HVMarket and pay more to have what they want immediatly and with minimal effort.

...

I am one of them.


Ah, I mean, I know exactly who it was buying almost everything at higher than usual prices, and the reasoning (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Dec 20 2020, 16:30
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What IW do holy plays suggest for LHOH? P5S4 or P5A4?
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post Dec 20 2020, 16:31
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QUOTE(-vincento- @ Dec 20 2020, 14:30) *

What IW do holy plays suggest for LHOH? P5S4 or P5A4?


P5 S4 for sure (unless you're doing only arenas ever, in which case you may get a tiny bit more benefit out of P5 A4).
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post Dec 20 2020, 22:27
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QUOTE(auev @ Dec 19 2020, 08:07) *

why Noodly Appendage costed so high?


Basic demand and supply market
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