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There's absolutely nothing wrong with a shield being Stoneskin though. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
That's a very good shield.

Yeap, no call for whining (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Especially at this level; it's better then mine and I think I have been lucky enough to find this one for cheap a few levels ago, even if it has Agi instead of Dex.

I had to use a Kite Shield previously, who was an SDE but only Mag (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This is a shield of sadness.

I disagree, this is a very nice Legendary Amber Force Shield of Foreskinskin, i used a quite similiar one at your level.

I think sadness was certainly wrong (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
I really like it, I just didn't like PM and MM of Stoneskin.
The first legendary protection force shield I got was
I got the Noodly Appendage(maybe...) at the shrine.
It had a really low blocking rate and was a lamentable shield.
At that time, I discovered that the legendary force shield of warding was thrown at the bazaar.
I bought and used it because the block rate was high,
I got this stone skin at Lv396. It was RE.
When I first saw it, the block ratio was a bit higher than the one I bought, but I wonder what PAB is...
I thought, but when I looked closely it was SDE, so I changed it to this.

The shield I used to use was the usual DEA. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by taro_: Aug 31 2020, 20:43

By the way, this is the lamentable FSM shield... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Legendary Cobalt Force Lamentable Shield of Protection

You know you can get the materials back by salvaging it right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

You know you can get the materials back by salvaging it right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I know.
However, by holding this indefinitely, I think that I will never forget the determination not to make a silly shrine again.

The truth is, I don't really use bindings, so I don't think I'll take it back. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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The only legendary thing I got from the shrine dedication was the shield of that shit.
As at the beginning of this topic, trophies are right to sell. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by taro_: Aug 31 2020, 22:19

Is it feasible time-management-wise for 1H style to ever use it's style abilities outside of killing Spaghetti and maybe the dragons at the end of last arena? I usually just Imperil everyone (I only re-imperil if two or more of those who resisted can be imperiled with one cast), then kill the normals, and then the schoolgirls. Seeing how you get stuns off of blocks, is it maybe feasible to opportunistically use Vital Strike or some such? Or does that take too much Overcharge and you're just better of using that resource to boost damage?

Is it feasible time-management-wise for 1H style to ever use it's style abilities outside of killing Spaghetti and maybe the dragons at the end of last arena? I usually just Imperil everyone (I only re-imperil if two or more of those who resisted can be imperiled with one cast), then kill the normals, and then the schoolgirls. Seeing how you get stuns off of blocks, is it maybe feasible to opportunistically use Vital Strike or some such? Or does that take too much Overcharge and you're just better of using that resource to boost damage?

Yes, i would recommend using Vital strike after imperil on SG and anything above. You will loose of course overcharged and have to recast spirit charge more often during SG arenas, but imo it is worth it.

Is there a reason why rarer items like Precursor Artifacts, Energy Drinks, Last Elixir, etc. decrease in credit value over time? I remember when I first started HV, EDs were like 100k and LE around 1k for credits and now they've gone down quite a bit in current times. Does this occur with other rare items/weapons and armor as well?

Is there a reason why rarer items like Precursor Artifacts, Energy Drinks, Last Elixir, etc. decrease in credit value over time? I remember when I first started HV, EDs were like 100k and LE around 1k for credits and now they've gone down quite a bit in current times. Does this occur with other rare items/weapons and armor as well?

basic supply-demand
phazon increase from ~200k around late 2019/early 2020 to 300k+ now.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Sep 3 2020, 06:41

I have questions about percentage increases for various things, and whether they are additive vs multiplicative.

The FAQ/Advice and other wiki articles give some clear answers. The Advice article is clear that Scavenger is multiplicative, and by implication, so are the other skills. But the Experience Points wiki article strongly implies that Adept Learner is additive.

How do these work?

If Adept Learner is additive, maxing it (300 levels of 1% increase) would give a straight 300% increase in experience gain.

If it's multiplicative, 300 levels gives either:

• About 19.8 % EXP bonus applied separately (1% compounded 300 times), or
• A much, much higher percentage gain (100% with a +1% EXP bonus applied 300 times), coming to about 1978% experience gain (vs no levels of Adept Learner).

I'm assuming it's actually multiplicative, and the first option (the experience bonus is compounded separately, so ~19.8% total bonus for maxing Adept Learner).

Assimilator wording is a little different, but if we assume

• Multiplicative (and each level of +10% Proficiency Experience is similarly compounded separately), then maxing would give ~108% proficiency gain (vs no levels of Assimilator).
• Additive, then maxing it would give 250% increase in proficiency gain.

Not that I ever expect to have 65 million credits to invest in maxing Assimilator. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Same basic question with effect of spells like Shadow Veil. Is the effect of SV:

• A flat 15% increase on whatever base evade you have (base Evade 1% + SV = Evade 16%)?
• A multiplicative increase (base Evade 1% + SV = Evade 1.15%)?

Thank you for any insight!

This post has been edited by sogeth: Sep 3 2020, 08:46

A new question:

With regards to Loot Drop Rolls: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Loot_Drop_Rolls#Loot_Rolls

If I want to get more Tokens and Crystals how bad of an idea is it to just keep 1000 equipment in my inventory causing the loot roll for equipment to fail that step every time? I can only do the first few arenas on highest difficulty anyways, so its not like I'm getting any loot that isn't trash.

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https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=4972451

Just ducked back in and tried to do a grindfest, barely able to do it in an hour.
What's the meta like nowadays? I see so many more 500 (mages)? players with tons of catgirl stars.

Looking at WTB and WTS it appears gear has gotten even cheaper/worthless unless its high-roll in demand types again? Last time I checked in on HV was around 2 years ago I think.

At least there hasn't been any big patches. Impulsively forged my stuff from remnant Monster Loot and splurged on the 30k Hath tier of DD, back to being a broke plebian now!

I have questions about percentage increases for various things, and whether they are additive vs multiplicative.

The FAQ/Advice and other wiki articles give some clear answers. The Advice article is clear that Scavenger is multiplicative, and by implication, so are the other skills. But the Experience Points wiki article strongly implies that Adept Learner is additive.

How do these work?

...

Same basic question with effect of spells like Shadow Veil. Is the effect of SV:

• A flat 15% increase on whatever base evade you have (base Evade 1% + SV = Evade 16%)?
• A multiplicative increase (base Evade 1% + SV = Evade 1.15%)?

Thank you for any insight!

Adept Learner is additive (as in your first guess: 1+3=4x multiplier), but it combines together with our sources of experience in a multiplicative way (see the formula on this page). Assimilator is most likely also additive. The way Assimilator combines with exp bonuses internally is unclear but it's likely applied after all others.

Shadow Veil is -really- unknown - it's thought to be a completely separate 'miss chance', not related to evade. It doesn't appear to be affected by monster accuracy. It should be relatively easy to test this, but I haven't done so myself yet.

Just ducked back in and tried to do a grindfest, barely able to do it in an hour.
What's the meta like nowadays? I see so many more 500 (mages)? players with tons of catgirl stars.

Looking at WTB and WTS it appears gear has gotten even cheaper/worthless unless its high-roll in demand types again? Last time I checked in on HV was around 2 years ago I think.

At least there hasn't been any big patches. Impulsively forged my stuff from remnant Monster Loot and splurged on the 30k Hath tier of DD, back to being a broke plebian now!

The 'meta' is exactly the same as when you left: poor players stick to 1H until they can afford to switch to mage, and the only serious grindfesting players are mages. If you can clear a grindfest in under an hour it sounds like you're doing pretty good (especially if that's PF), although turn count might be a better measurement. I don't think there's actually many more catgirls, just fewer other people to spread out their posts (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Yes, pretty much all items besides very high quality mage items and mage-related materials continue to deflate, while mage-interests rise in price (some slowly, some rapidly, especially forge materials recently). Most things that were valuable 2 years ago are now nearly unsellable (in particular rapiers and non-savage slaughter power armor).

Adept Learner is additive (as in your first guess: 1+3=4x multiplier), but it combines together with our sources of experience in a multiplicative way (see the formula on this page). Assimilator is most likely also additive. The way Assimilator combines with exp bonuses internally is unclear but it's likely applied after all others.

Shadow Veil is -really- unknown - it's thought to be a completely separate 'miss chance', not related to evade. It doesn't appear to be affected by monster accuracy. It should be relatively easy to test this, but I haven't done so myself yet.

Thank you for the info!

I'm kinda surprised that Shadow Veil isn't better understood, given the enormous amounts of research and analysis that you (and many other fine and generous players!) have contributed over the years. But I suppose that if it's understood well enough to choose if/when to use it, that's good enough.

I just need to understand if it's15% on top, or adds 15% of existing evade. If it's15% ON TOP, then it becomes an option for using otherwise very marginal Channeling (when Heartseeker, Regen protection are very close to full, for instance).

New topic:

How foolish/wasteful have I been forging my equipment? Or even using it to begin with?

I'm WAY overdue to try a different rapier, and I just swapped in the gauntlets. Other than the boots they've mostly been bazaar scores or self drops.

For context, I'm poor, but also I've been a terrible player for years, making many foolish choices, and failing to play in anything close to an optimum way. It's only relatively recently that I stopped my quixotic quest to keep ALL my proficiency scores at maximum, and swapped away from Battlecaster and went to other power and a force shield. Even with the MAJOR improvement in clearing speed that's given me, I'm still completely unable to understand how people manage to clear all the arenas every day (assuming they don't play ALL day).

Additionally, through a major mistake, I ended up acquiring a large amount of Bindings of Slaughter, Barrier and Nimble at prices I'm unlikely to ever redeem, so I've been using them...

Feel free to be specific and detailed in your withering critique, especially if you can make it funny (but also accurate).

• Main Hand: Legendary Arctic Rapier of the Nimble
• Off Hand: Legendary Cobalt Force Shield of Protection
• Helmet: Legendary Cobalt Power Helmet of Warding
• Body: Legendary Cobalt Power Armor of Protection
• Hands: Legendary Zircon Power Gauntlets of Warding
• Legs: Legendary Ruby Power Leggings of Protection
• Feet: Legendary Zircon Power Boots of Slaughter

This post has been edited by sogeth: Sep 4 2020, 03:02

Even with the MAJOR improvement in clearing speed that's given me, I'm still completely unable to understand how people manage to clear all the arenas every day (assuming they don't play ALL day).

most decent mage could clear all arenas - or at least the second page, or at least the SGs - in less than 1 hour.

Yes, pretty much all items besides very high quality mage items and mage-related materials continue to deflate, while mage-interests rise in price (some slowly, some rapidly, especially forge materials recently). Most things that were valuable 2 years ago are now nearly unsellable (in particular rapiers and non-savage slaughter power armor).

Good for poor folks like myself (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

How foolish/wasteful have I been forging my equipment? Or even using it to begin with?

I'm WAY overdue to try a different rapier, and I just swapped in the gauntlets.

It's only relatively recently that I stopped my quixotic quest to keep ALL my proficiency scores at maximum, and swapped away from Battlecaster and went to other power and a force shield. Even with the MAJOR improvement in clearing speed that's given me, I'm still completely unable to understand how people manage to clear all the arenas every day.

Additionally, through a major mistake, I ended up acquiring a large amount of Bindings of Slaughter, Barrier and Nimble at prices I'm unlikely to ever redeem, so I've been using them...

Feel free to be specific and detailed in your withering critique, especially if you can make it funny (but also accurate).

• Main Hand: Legendary Arctic Rapier of the Nimble
• Off Hand: Legendary Cobalt Force Shield of Protection
• Helmet: Legendary Cobalt Power Helmet of Warding
• Body: Legendary Cobalt Power Armor of Protection
• Hands: Legendary Zircon Power Gauntlets of Warding
• Legs: Legendary Ruby Power Leggings of Protection
• Feet: Legendary Zircon Power Boots of Slaughter

You should look for new equipment. Currently 1H and melee equipment and materials are extremely cheap. Assuming you have enough soul fragments, you can get a full slaughter set in the 30%~50% adb percentile range practically for free (50k~300k each) and probably a rapier of slaughter with over 70% adb as well.

The higher level you get, the slower you will get, so you must upgrade to full slaughter and start forging to keep up the same level of clear speed. You forged your nimble rapier backwards. Since it's not slaughter, most players would not bother forging its adb, and would instead forge only parry.

Many players even decline to forge adb and forge only parry on a slaughter rapiers, if funds are limited and they don't intend to stick with that weapon forever. My own rapier in signature was forged in such a manner by the previous owner when I acquired it, and it's a top class rapier (lessened slightly by its item world, but still very strong).

I realize you basically had a free stash of bindings of slaughter and such, but you've still wasted them somewhat. It won't be a big deal though because you can salvage to get most of your bindings back.

The game version may have changed since you last played. The proficiency system was totally revamped, though you may not have noticed because it still looks the same. Just the way you earn proficiency changed. You can no longer max your proficiencies in all styles anyway. Playing one style more often will get your more proficiency in that style, but will sacrifice proficiency in other styles, and this cannot be made up (until after you reach level 500).