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Jun 20 2020, 20:54
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dibdib
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Thanks all for the answers! QUOTE(decondelite @ Jun 20 2020, 21:05)  Not to mention that past a given point, the monsters deal so much damage that casting Weaken on them won't change things for shit, except giving them one more opportunity to MP/SP your ass. Which of course defeats the purpose of Weaken.
And this point is about level ... ? or it's more about IW/Grindfest?
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Jun 20 2020, 21:09
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Zytoxx
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I am trying to use HVtoolbox but can't seem to access the settings or anything. I recently installed the script and it shows it being active on tampermonkey but I have not been able to use it so far.  I cant find the settings and I am not particularly sure on whether the script is active or not.
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Jun 20 2020, 23:33
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(dibdib @ Jun 20 2020, 18:54)  Thanks all for the answers! And this point is about level ... ? or it's more about IW/Grindfest?
Talking about the round counter of IW/Grindfest. Since the monsters hit harder and harder with later rounds, there is a moment when Weaken won't be effective enough to be worth being cast on the monsters. Which is not an issue with the other deprecating spells I've mentioned. @Zytoxx: Try deactivating HV Red (what is it already?). If that doesn't work, check the basic settings of HV Toolbox. You should have asked in its thread BTW. This post has been edited by decondelite: Jun 20 2020, 23:35
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Jun 20 2020, 23:38
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dibdib
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jun 21 2020, 00:33)  Talking about the round counter of IW/Grindfest. Since the monsters hit harder and harder with later rounds, there is a moment when Weaken won't be effective enough to be worth being cast on the monsters. Which is not an issue with the other deprecating spells I've mentioned.
Thank you!
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Jun 21 2020, 00:16
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dibdib
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Jun 20 2020, 19:51)  I don't recommend upgrading Faster Weaken past the first level, because then it will cost more mana. Upgrading silence has a similar effect to it but won't cost more mana, so there's no drawback.
I don't get something? +5 mana per cast worth more than zero cooldown and lesser time to cast?
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Jun 21 2020, 03:30
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(dibdib @ Jun 21 2020, 00:16)  +5 mana per cast worth more than zero cooldown and lesser time to cast?
Which is worth just 5 mana all the time. I mean when you actually need weaken, you have other much bigger problems as 5 mana cost more or less, right? Well of course i am right. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Just upgrade the abilities you are using, the benefits outweight the downsides by far.
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Jun 21 2020, 03:31
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BlueWaterSplash
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Some people don't care about mana expenditure but I'm not one of them. So for me, the +5 mana per cast (50% more mana) is definitely not worth the lesser cooldown and cast time, hence why I only upgraded my Faster Weaken to level 1.
The +5 mana per cast is worth it for the increase from 1 to 3 targets of Faster Weaken. That's what it is really for. Although I still didn't want to use it that way.
Likewise, I didn't upgrade my Faster Imperil to +5 mana and 3 targets, until very recently. So far I like it, but I can feel the increased mana cost and I think I waited until the right level to learn it.
Better Silence when upgraded gets to 3 targets for free, no added mana cost. So it's great. But I always used Silence when it only had 1 target, because maybe I didn't have enough ability points or something. I'm not sure why, maybe it costed more.
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Jun 21 2020, 03:40
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Jun 21 2020, 03:31)  Some people don't care about mana expenditure but I'm not one of them.
So, you are not huh? QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ May 20 2020, 03:23)  At higher level (and proficiency) the holy debuffs last longer. If you also use haste, they can last long enough to kill all the monsters at maximum proficiency. You might be able to try using this style, but it would also be better if you are full slaughter with DD9, to help the debuff last long enough.
The tier 1 and tier 2 holy spell debuffs last longer, however you will not inflict as many of them. So the paladin holy style doesn't work well I suspect until you are level 500 and can use the tier 3.
So that is why you did suggest to use a useless haste as 1H at high level and even thought using even a tier 3 holy spell would be a good idea? Yeah, that makes sense if i dont think about it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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Jun 21 2020, 07:35
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BlueWaterSplash
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I've never casted a holy spell before except when testing, so I have 0 holy proficiency above the minimum from dawns. Using T2 or T3 holy for melee is just an idea. I think it works in the sense that it probably does make a high level player a tiny bit faster, but at the cost of much mana, and still inferior to imperil.
I still mostly play non-imperil style, and I only use imperil when I have excess mana near the end of arenas (which is when it helps most, and also gives the most proficiency).
Basara tested haste recently and found some new things. I guessed earlier, and it is slowly being confirmed that maybe haste improves slightly on a high level player, depending how you play (though haste is probably more useful on a low level player). Basara is only losing 1% turns to haste in arenas, and depending how you play haste can actually improve your clear times (it has to do with the way you hover and use hotkeys).
Basara is so far also losing nothing (undetectable) with shadow veil, if you don't like haste. However I calculated and theorized that we should all be losing 1%~2% in arenas with shadow veil, mostly independent of our level. Yet that is such a small amount that it can't reliably be detected; these aren't bad spells.
Wait I forgot, Basara actually did something different in his test. He didn't test haste with infusion, so haste might actually improve his turns if he gets around to testing it.
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Jun 21 2020, 08:27
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noobx
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Hi Everyone,
I realize that using 2H katana can be equip another wakizashi on the offhand. I would like to try this playstyle.
From the wiki, I am uncertain the meaning on the last second sentences:
The chance to proc domino strikes are the same as with Two-Handed proficiency. However, it does NOT have the bonus damage/range that being over 100 2H proficiency does. [color=#3333FF]
Does it mean the maximum damage I will benefit is 100?
If I am going to buy a Legendary Wakizashi, will I benefit all the stats from the weapon?
Thank you.
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Jun 21 2020, 08:48
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Jun 21 2020, 07:35)  I've never casted a holy spell before except when testing,
And you still dare to talk about it as if was a fact! QUOTE(noobx @ Jun 21 2020, 08:27)  Hi Everyone,
Hi. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) QUOTE(noobx @ Jun 21 2020, 08:27)  I realize that using 2H katana can be equip another wakizashi on the offhand. I would like to try this playstyle.
Yeah, its called niten. QUOTE(noobx @ Jun 21 2020, 08:27)  From the wiki, I am uncertain the meaning on the last second sentences:
The chance to proc domino strikes are the same as with Two-Handed proficiency. However, it does NOT have the bonus damage/range that being over 100 2H proficiency does. [color=#3333FF]
Does it mean the maximum damage I will benefit is 100?
Not sure where you did read this, but all benefits you have from prof for playing Niten are those listed here. https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Abilities#Niten_IchiryuuAnd what is says about 2H damage is CODE For every ten points of Two-Handed Weapon Proficiency, adds: +30 Attack Base Damage Oh, now i get it. This is about the Domino strikes. Guess there is some boni usually for 2H that Niten just lacks or something. QUOTE(noobx @ Jun 21 2020, 08:27)  If I am going to buy a Legendary Wakizashi, will I benefit all the stats from the weapon?
Thank you.
Iirc you get of course reduced damage by the waki aka offhand just like for DW, but no additional parry bonus. Something you really should keep in mind. Also your prof gain is split 50/50 to DW and 2H.
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Jun 21 2020, 09:14
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noobx
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jun 21 2020, 14:48)  And you still dare to talk about it as if was a fact! Hi. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) Yeah, its called niten. Not sure where you did read this, but all benefits you have from prof for playing Niten are those listed here. https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Abilities#Niten_IchiryuuAnd what is says about 2H damage is CODE For every ten points of Two-Handed Weapon Proficiency, adds: +30 Attack Base Damage Oh, now i get it. This is about the Domino strikes. Guess there is some boni usually for 2H that Niten just lacks or something. Iirc you get of course reduced damage by the waki aka offhand just like for DW, but no additional parry bonus. Something you really should keep in mind. Also your prof gain is split 50/50 to DW and 2H. Thanks for the explanation, I guess I will still want to try it out whether it suit me. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Jun 21 2020, 09:23
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Jun 21 2020, 01:31)  Some people don't care about mana expenditure but I'm not one of them. You're being both offensive and in the wrong right there. There is a small difference between "not caring about mana expenditure" and "making use of consumables". There is also a small difference between "reducing mana consumption" and "going overkill for the sake of saving a single mana potion every 10-50 rounds". Needless to say, wise players do make use of consumables and reduce their mana consumption. Nobody (at least no one whom I know of) is foolish enough in order not to care about mana expenditure and waste potions+elixirs like there's no tomorrow without at least trying to limit it. And you're the only one who is foolish enough in order to go overkill and save up the consumables for a miserable difference in terms of credits. Seriously, stop that bullshit already. The only reason why one should be finetuning his ability upgrades for, are his limited ability points. If a spell costs more to use due to higher ability upgrades, the good reaction would be to get better at the game and be able to manage anyway.
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Jun 21 2020, 14:11
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BlueWaterSplash
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I can see how what I said could be taken offensively, but it was not meant to be that way. Wording things carefully is something I need to work on. Perhaps if I had said "I'm a little more concerned with mana expenditure than most people, so..." Regardless, I wish there'd be more tolerance of differing opinions and play styles (this comment is not directed at any one individual in particular). Maybe some unpopular opinions are ill-advised, but these discussions still ought to take place now and then, and I don't feel that needs to be a source of conflict. It's human nature, but something that is good to suppress. A lot of these things are just small differences, as said. We agree Silence is a nice spell. I merely think Weaken is a fair competitor. I think you used them way more than me, but we probably used them at different level ranges too, so it's natural for there to be minor differences in our experiences. QUOTE(Uncle Stu)  And you still dare to talk about it as if was a fact! Very few of the things I say are intended to be facts, or even recommendations. Usually they are just ideas or things I do. If people don't like them, they are free to play differently. And I welcome different opinions to my own, as I myself am always questioning my views. Some players want their views to hold greater weight than others, which I'm fine with here, but not to the point that all meaningful debate and discussion is removed. If you want your opinion to count ten times as much as mine, I'll happily go along with that. But I don't like seeing you demand this is a place where only certain people can talk. I'll try to work on my wording so that it's more favorable to you. I'm hoping you'll reciprocate by lessening the hostility a bit.
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Jun 22 2020, 15:31
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3534
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Hi experts, if I want to do the IW (target: Jug5) by myself, Now I knew I should play x15 to get IW1&2 first, and if IW1&2 not get Jug1 or Jug2, then reforge (with Dark Descent). But what's the next? What timing should I reforge or gamble or continue, after got Jug1/2 at IW1&2? Thank you~ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jun 22 2020, 16:17
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Nezu
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QUOTE(3534 @ Jun 22 2020, 14:31)  Hi experts, if I want to do the IW (target: Jug5) by myself, Now I knew I should play x15 to get IW1&2 first, and if IW1&2 not get Jug1 or Jug2, then reforge (with Dark Descent). But what's the next? What timing should I reforge or gamble or continue, after got Jug1/2 at IW1&2? Thank you~ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) If you get at least 1 Juggernaut on the x15 run, switch to x20 and continue running. On average, it is best to reforge as soon as you get 3 potencies, but you might prefer to gamble if you have Juggernaut 3 upwards. (If you have Juggernaut 4, you should just keep going til you hit level 10, and cross your fingers!)
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Jun 22 2020, 17:39
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(3534 @ Jun 22 2020, 13:31)  Hi experts, if I want to do the IW (target: Jug5) by myself, Now I knew I should play x15 to get IW1&2 first, and if IW1&2 not get Jug1 or Jug2, then reforge (with Dark Descent). But what's the next? What timing should I reforge or gamble or continue, after got Jug1/2 at IW1&2? Thank you~ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) If you have 3 different potencies at IW4, while only Jug1, you should reforge: it makes 4 levels of Jug to get out of 6 rolls over the 3 potencies, which is extremely unlikely to happen. Otherwise keep going until it's strictly impossible to get Jug5.
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Jun 23 2020, 06:22
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neogdoma
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What is the best way to use 80m C to buy equips that can use for a long time: 1. mega set and pls tell which spell 2. rapier set Just spend on the equips. upgrades excludes.
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