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After proficiency... simply upgrade where it's the least expensive (but useful: don't go wasting on MMit, magical accuracy or resist), and prioritize the robe first.

Thank you!

Yeah, that wont be enough. I got the holy prof perk and did fully forge my staff and two cloth pieces and i still did need a while before i did the prof factor of 1.0 i needed. But i guess you play elemental mage?
Forge your cloth prof until you did reach the prof factor you need. For elemental mage it is 0.7 iirc. You get that my take your effective prof, remove your level, in your case would that be 333 and divide that by 500. Also you cant forge crit on your cloth or phase pieces. Not even Mystic do allow that. Also keep in mind you only need 200% mage acc, more as that doesnt mean anything. But yeah, if you lack forge it. But also evade EDB, PM, Int, Agi and Wis. Ignore resist and MM, when you dont do something absolutly wrong magic damage is a non-issue for mages, so dont waste credits on that. Oh and nearly forgot Crushing Mitigation, it isnt as important as evade, PM and Agi, but imo it will still help you to heal a bit less if you forge it enough.

Thanks!
No, I (have a fun and dread to) play holy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) still in mismatched cloth until I have enough soul fragments or 3 more levels to change a cap. And a very mismatched mag katalox staff. It was not a result of some great consideration, I was collecting mage drops from 270 or about, and most were heaven-sent when I decided to try and was hooked.
Speaking about prof, no, I mean that I went slightly overboard with prof forging (RTFM less forge more) and my effective prof is about 700, it's mostly staff.

This post has been edited by dibdib: Jun 13 2020, 01:40

No, I (have a fun and dread to) play holy

Hm. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) still in mismatched cloth

That is not good.

And a very mismatched mag katalox staff.

That is worse.

I was collecting mage drops from 270 or about, and most were heaven-sent when I decided to try and was hooked.

Yeah, mage is not really a style you really play with self-drops. Holy mage even more so

Btw do i understand

most were heaven-sent

mismatched cloth

correctly when i assume you dont even have a single phase in your set? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Jun 13 2020, 04:12

No, not that bad. Leg cap of Curse-weaver (to be swapped for Leg of heaven-sent with better overall stats), Leg robe of Hs, Mag gloves of Hs, Mag Phase Pants and Shoes of H.
Currently playing arenas on Nintendo. Can survive 60-70 arena on PFUDOR, but it's far, far from comfortable.

No, not that bad. Leg cap of Curse-weaver (to be swapped for Leg of heaven-sent with better overall stats), Leg robe of Hs, Mag gloves of Hs, Mag Phase Pants and Shoes of H.
Currently playing arenas on Nintendo. Can survive 60-70 arena on PFUDOR, but it's far, far from comfortable.

Yeah, because you are no glass cannon, you are a glass butterknife. And without heavy investions that wont change. And i mean equipment, i mean forging and i mean DD perks. Honestly, when i say this now, i only mean it well with you, but you really should think about changing your fightingstyle. Holymage is expensive and frustrating. And as long you have a shit-tone of damage it wont be comfortable period. I know what i am talking about. And i have a LHOH, i have DDIV and i did enough forging to use all phazon from supers auction a few weeks ago. And i still woulndt call myself a glass cannon.

Yeah, because you are no glass cannon, you are a glass butterknife. And without heavy investions that wont change. And i mean equipment, i mean forging and i mean DD perks. Honestly, when i say this now, i only mean it well with you, but you really should think about changing your fightingstyle. Holymage is expensive and frustrating. And as long you have a shit-tone of damage it wont be comfortable period. I know what i am talking about. And i have a LHOH, i have DDIV and i did enough forging to use all phazon from supers auction a few weeks ago. And i still woulndt call myself a glass cannon.

Well, I got it and thanks. I don't say I would play holy till level 500 or even 400. Just now it's more fun, and, to my surprise, a bit more profit than playing arenas 1H PFUDOR. Probably 'cause I can play more arenas a day as a mage. And don't have right temper to do it wiki way - grind a month or two more on 1H to get (more) descent equip from the start.
Thanks again!

Don't give up either. Top-notch equipment is only really needed for IW/PFFEST purpose. Otherwise one does can clear arenas and REs with midly forged equipment, that is neither Charged nor Radiant.
A full set of plain Legendary is relatively cheap, even as Holy. Though I admit that we may have a different conception of what "cheap" is. In the case of non-Imp Holy, it's true that you'll miss out on damage output if you don't play Radiant. In which case, playing Imperil holy is still a thing, even though Holy is quite the worst element possible to play as Imperil mage.

Overall, it's up to you to decide if playing mage is really what you want. And if this is what you really want, then you've made the right choice. But at least you're warned about how it's not going to be easy peasy and it will perform bad until you've sunk a ludicrous amount of credits in it.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Jun 13 2020, 13:21

Don't give up either. Top-notch equipment is only really needed for IW/PFFEST purpose. Otherwise one does can clear arenas and REs with midly forged equipment, that is neither Charged nor Radiant.
A full set of plain Legendary is relatively cheap, even as Holy. Though I admit that we may have a different conception of what "cheap" is. In the case of non-Imp Holy, it's true that you'll miss out on damage output if you don't play Radiant. In which case, playing Imperil holy is still a thing, even though Holy is quite the worst element possible to play as Imperil mage.

Overall, it's up to you to decide if playing mage is really what you want. And if this is what you really want, then you've made the right choice. But at least you're warned about how it's not going to be easy peasy and it will perform bad until you've sunk a ludicrous amount of credits in it.

Thanks!
I also think that we may have very different ideas about what bad and good performance are (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) and my good probably would be abysmal for level 500.
Or the idea is that for same money elemental or dark mage outperforms holy by really large margin even on about 350 level?

Thanks!
I also think that we may have very different ideas about what bad and good performance are (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) and my good probably would be abysmal for level 500.
Or the idea is that for same money elemental or dark mage outperforms holy by really large margin even on about 350 level?

'Really large' is subjective but there are many reasons to avoid holy (and to a lesser extent dark) mage at low level.

First, we'd better talk about why they're good and why people like holy so much:

- Holy has the best debuff in the game, hands down. It's basically a mini-imperil. This is what makes it possible to play non-imperil and get better performance than imperil style. Currently, this is still the fastest style in the game.
- The optimal staff for dark mage has higher base spell damage than other elements, as well as deprecating proficiency and counter-resist at the same time. (Elec and wind share this staff type, but they don't get the bonus EDB.)
- Schoolgirl bosses have -1 mitigation against holy and dark damage. This mostly matters to people with high prof & DD levels, and resources to boot - ideally, a holy/dark mage can play 4 phase + 1 weak prof slot like shoes, or even 5 phase for schoolgirl arenas, but that's a ridiculous expense mostly only for mad H@Hers and star sellers.

And now for the cons:

- Non-imperil massively underperforms imperil until you have made extreme investments (I'm not just talking about the right gear - max forging, and high DD levels come into it, making it cost somewhere to the tune of 500m+ for holy). This is for festing purposes - it's much easier to get good performance out of it in arena-only play. You don't need radiants for that, and the survivability bar is much lower.
- Holy and dark share slower cast times on all their spells than elemental styles (making them take more attacks). They get a slight bonus to damage on their T2 and T1 spells, but the T3 is the same, which is where much of the damage is done for mages.
- Holy and dark spells have higher proficiency caps on their spells to receive their maximum 25% cast speed & cost reduction bonuses (this can make low level mages spend significantly more mana, and may need to dip into mana elixirs, since holy/dark spells are already more expensive than elemental to cast). The caps for holy/dark are 500/700/900 (T1, T2, T3) while elemental is 200/500/800.
- Abilities for dark/holy have higher level requirements. (Technically, it's just their DoTs, so this one isn't as important.)
- Holy and dark have a weaker imperil, requiring high proficiency goals. Both require 1.0 prof factor to reduce monster mitigations to 0, while elemental only requires 0.79 (895 prof at level 500). Because of the staff EDB bonuses this ends up not being too significant a problem - 2 cotton prof slots instead of 1 - but lower level mages, especially without full forging, will struggle to hit 1.0 with gloves+shoes and may need to use stronger prof slots instead, like robe or pants, losing more damage. (A low level elemental mage can play 4+1 straight away, using robe, pants or hat, and reach their goal soon depending on how much grinding they're doing and their assimilator level.)

Ultimately there's a lot of fetishism around playing holy because it's 'the best', but in reality, holy is very weak for beginner players, and should be avoided like the plague (especially if you haven't made a significant investment yet).

I hope this information gives you some context & helps you make your own decisions about what element you want to play. Good luck getting mage set up that early. It's definitely not impossible and arena-only players can see gains over playing melee with minimal investment, but it can be much harder on the player's patience with how much healing they'll need to do!

This post has been edited by lestion: Jun 13 2020, 14:11

I hope this information gives you some context & helps you make your own decisions about what element you want to play. Good luck getting mage set up that early. It's definitely not impossible and arena-only players can see gains over playing melee with minimal investment, but it can be much harder on the player's patience with how much healing they'll need to do!

Thank you for such in-deep comment!
It's already helps me to find errors in my conceptions, like what slots optimal for what and so on.
Well, early adoption means it's cheap errors (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And thanks for market, it's invaluable time&credits-saver!

This post has been edited by dibdib: Jun 13 2020, 16:49

Well, I got it and thanks. I don't say I would play holy till level 500 or even 400. Just now it's more fun, and, to my surprise, a bit more profit than playing arenas 1H PFUDOR. Probably 'cause I can play more arenas a day as a mage. And don't have right temper to do it wiki way - grind a month or two more on 1H to get (more) descent equip from the start.
Thanks again!

Well as long you have fun. Keep it that way and good luck. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

I have a question about the script Income summary.
When I use the inventory snapshot and try to see how efficient I am, it shows some information but not as much as it should I think like with Battle Summary and Income per turn, stamina etc.

Im pretty new to hentaiverse and the usage of scripts.


This post has been edited by Zytoxx: Jun 13 2020, 20:59

I have a few questions about the scripts Income summary + Spellspam and the use of tampermonkey in general.
<-snip->
"Edit I just found out that there is a web version of hentaiverse ( https://hentaiverse.org/ ), do I need to use that or does the hentaiverse app/button work too?

Where the hell did you even get that old spellspam script. use monsterbation instead.
for some reason the tampermonkey (and various menu) won't shows up on the hentaiverse pop-up, open the link on new tab/window instead of clicking the link on main site, or just access the hentaiverse directly.
tampermonkey will show no script running when it's not on the specified url.
there is only one version of hentaiverse, that hentaiverse.org (and the alt.hentaiverse.org for those who prefer nonhttps). what hentaiverse app/button are you talking about?

Where the hell did you even get that old spellspam script. use monsterbation instead.
for some reason the tampermonkey (and various menu) won't shows up on the hentaiverse pop-up, open the link on new tab/window instead of clicking the link on main site, or just access the hentaiverse directly.
tampermonkey will show no script running when it's not on the specified url.
there is only one version of hentaiverse, that hentaiverse.org (and the alt.hentaiverse.org for those who prefer nonhttps). what hentaiverse app/button are you talking about?

Yeah I just found the monsterbation script and realised it was much easier to use as well as the https://hentaiverse.org/?s=Character&ss=se seems to work better with the tampermonkey button., and as for the button I was referring to the popup you mentioned or the popup button for hentaiverse on https://e-hentai.org/.
Still have not completely understood the income summary.

Yeah I just found the monsterbation script and realised it was much easier to use as well as the https://hentaiverse.org/?s=Character&ss=se seems to work better with the tampermonkey button., and as for the button I was referring to the popup you mentioned or the popup button for hentaiverse on https://e-hentai.org/.
Still have not completely understood the income summary.

never used income summary before, but I think I encounter same problem as yours.
From what I see, it is still able to compare the difference between your inventory before and after "saving" the inventory list but unable to record the battle (or unable to push the data after battle into a record?).
Maybe you could wait for somebody who actually use it regularly to answer it.

Does a 0% EDB Radiant/Charged armor provide more damage than a 90%+ EDB other prefix armor (other stats being equal)? Approximately how low would the magic damage %/casting speed % have to be, for the latter to be better? Thank you.

Does a 0% EDB Radiant/Charged armor provide more damage than a 90%+ EDB other prefix armor (other stats being equal)? Approximately how low would the magic damage %/casting speed % have to be, for the latter to be better? Thank you.

Charged would provide less damage. Charged gives you additional cast speed, but no damage, but i am quite sure the radiant would prove more damage. I mean 0% EDB doesnt mean it wont give you additional EDB at all and together with the MDB that sould be overall more damage.

Does a 0% EDB Radiant/Charged armor provide more damage than a 90%+ EDB other prefix armor (other stats being equal)? Approximately how low would the magic damage %/casting speed % have to be, for the latter to be better? Thank you.

charged is for defensive purpose, it won't boost your damage.
radiant with 0% EDB? I doubt that could top other with 90% EDB much, maybe equal, possibly even worse.
I believe in general a generic peerless would always be better than low roll radiant/charged. mid percentile radiant/charged ought to be better provided stuff like evade and PAB are also sufficiently competitive. But once again, your other stats might demand different specific thing to make stuff "better".

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jun 14 2020, 21:23

Charged would provide less damage. Charged gives you additional cast speed, but no damage, but i am quite sure the radiant would prove more damage. I mean 0% EDB doesnt mean it wont give you additional EDB at all and together with the MDB that sould be overall more damage.

But Charged lets you cast more before getting hit back, right? Rephrased, I'm asking if mages should value the Radiant/Charged prefixes significantly more than the others.

Edit: Just saw Fudo's post. My question is answered. Thanks to you both.

This post has been edited by jameshotate: Jun 14 2020, 21:29

I believe in general a generic peerless would always be better than low roll radiant/charged.

I'm not sure about this. I had a big improvement when I replaced my peerless phase cap with a charged legendary with 4% casting speed.

I'm not sure about this. I had a big improvement when I replaced my peerless phase cap with a charged legendary with 4% casting speed.

*sigh*
just fyi, low roll isn't merely on what the prefix offer but also on it's other stats.
the one who bring the topic asking to compare a 0% EDB radiant/charged against 90% EDB generic stuff.
also on the portion that you cut off, I clearly mention that your stats might demand different stuff to make things better.