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post Jun 10 2020, 02:52
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QUOTE(lestion @ Jun 10 2020, 03:43) *

It seems like it was just one piece (an old shield Uncle showed me earlier).


Okay, I see. Must be one of the two I got from that other player. I suppose buying it was another mistake, unless such outdated exquisites or superiors are of interest to collectors.
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post Jun 10 2020, 03:33
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unless such outdated exquisites or superiors are of interest to collectors.
No, not old and rare enough. Collectors prefer stuff that no longer drop at all. Something like dagger or gossamer or stuff from the fine tier. I havent even heard once someone could be interested in generic pre 0.82 equipment.
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post Jun 10 2020, 14:41
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Am I supposed to clear most of the wave after imperil and casting a T3 spell?

Currently I only kill a few and make the rest down to half health.

What am I doing wrong?

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Staff is forged 73, cotton are forged 5 and phase are non-forged.
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post Jun 10 2020, 15:05
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QUOTE(BL.Kunkka @ Jun 10 2020, 21:41) *

Am I supposed to clear most of the wave after imperil and casting a T3 spell?

Currently I only kill a few and make the rest down to half health.
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207% EDB bonus is I believe too low to expect a reliable wipe, even at 300%+ it's still a bit unreliable if not backed by high MDB (read: boosted by some radiant).
there's nothing you could do except start upgrading your equip (more).
maybe you could try using generic phase for 4+1 setup to boost your EDB bonus abit higher while retaining that lewd .69+ prof factor by either upgrading your cloth prof to 50 (this is the cheapest upgrade after your staff) or try to use pants/robe cotton.
i mean, if you only play arena, you don't need the charged yet.

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Having gotten past level 100, I’m starting to get acquainted with boss-class monsters.

Please share some time-honored means of withstanding boss attacks. Is there, for instance, some simple method of making sure their spirit bars cannot reach 100%? If the wiki has something on this, I have been looking in all the wrong places.


soon all monster will have spirit attack too, try to start utilizing spark of life to stay alive, you should have it now as it unlocked at lvl 100.
Starting lvl 200 you'll have another spell (spirit shield) to negate those attack, but for now that's the card you're dealt with.

QUOTE(Katajanmarja @ Jun 10 2020, 07:51) *

Thank you all, that was a lot of good suggestions. The main problem could be that while I have spent points on them, I know way too little about abilities. After all, I mostly do random encounters, and there it seems easy enough to survive without understanding half of the game.


ssss2's HVUtils script have an ability point calculator, there's an option to show what ability useful for each playstyle, except that it didn't show any need on any depreciating spell ability for melee (which you might use) it's a decent starting guide that you could try.

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Some of my "mistakes" are related to personal preferences. For example, I really like to go for a fighting style where I evade or parry rather than take hits – but well, this is not the only game where tanking is the default.


actually, damage avoidance is part of core defense source for most if not every playstyle in this game, even mage need to rely on evasion and parry to some extent in this game to stay alive, so your preference is actually "on meta" here.

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post Jun 10 2020, 15:06
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QUOTE(BL.Kunkka @ Jun 10 2020, 14:41) *

Am I supposed to clear most of the wave after imperil and casting a T3 spell?

Currently I only kill a few and make the rest down to half health.

What am I doing wrong?

Here are my stats and equipment:
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Staff is forged 73, cotton are forged 5 and phase are non-forged.

no dude, you are not suppost to be able to clear most of a wave after imperil and T3. Not without full forging, not without high proficiency, not with at least a couple of levels of Demon Duality. But what you're doing is fine as well, it just takes longer.
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post Jun 10 2020, 15:31
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QUOTE(BL.Kunkka @ Jun 10 2020, 12:41) *
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Your setup is right, but you've made the error to sink in that much in your staff's MDB, while neglecting your phase's EDB. I can understand the use of 2 cotton as elemental (I've done the same when beginning) and not forging them fully, but there is no excuse to not have everything Forge 5'ed. It' very important that have at least that much, because the 5 first levels of forging are those that bring in the most stats, while they don't require bindings.

I understand that the price of phazons is going berzerk these days, but these things are not a thing you can do without.
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post Jun 10 2020, 17:54
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207% EDB bonus is I believe too low to expect a reliable wipe, even at 300%+ it's still a bit unreliable if not backed by high MDB (read: boosted by some radiant).
there's nothing you could do except start upgrading your equip (more).
maybe you could try using generic phase for 4+1 setup to boost your EDB bonus abit higher while retaining that lewd .69+ prof factor by either upgrading your cloth prof to 50 (this is the cheapest upgrade after your staff) or try to use pants/robe cotton.
i mean, if you only play arena, you don't need the charged yet.


Thanks, I will replace my cotton gloves with a phase one and invest more on my cotton cap.

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Your setup is right, but you've made the error to sink in that much in your staff's MDB, while neglecting your phase's EDB. I can understand the use of 2 cotton as elemental (I've done the same when beginning) and not forging them fully, but there is no excuse to not have everything Forge 5'ed. It' very important that have at least that much, because the 5 first levels of forging are those that bring in the most stats, while they don't require bindings.

I understand that the price of phazons is going berzerk these days, but these things are not a thing you can do without.


Appreciate your advice, hope I can squeeze some phazons (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif). If first 5 upgrade offer most stats, in your opinion to which level should I upgrade for the best bang for the buck (effectiveness / cost) ?
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post Jun 10 2020, 18:57
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So, uh, I think I'm back.

I've taken something like a 3-year break from HentaiVerse, but since I've been looking for a nice comfy time-killer recently, I figured I'd get back into it. Anyone kind enough to catch me up? I've got a few questions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
  • I've still got my old holy mage build (gear in sig). Is it viable or should I try making something else?
  • I've completely forgotten about the skill rotation. What do I cast / use / spam when I jump into an arena or grindfest?
  • Speaking of which, should I clear all the arenas and rings of blood, or are there some that aren't worth doing?
  • What's the script situation like? I still have my old Monsterbation, but it hasn't been updated for 1061 days, so I'm guessing there might be something better?

That's it for now. Anyways, hello again and hopefully I'll stick around this time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Jun 10 2020, 19:14
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QUOTE(friggo @ Jun 10 2020, 18:57) *

So, uh, I think I'm back.
Welcome back. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
QUOTE(friggo @ Jun 10 2020, 18:57) *

I've still got my old holy mage build (gear in sig). Is it viable or should I try making something else?
No, that is still a pretty nice and viable set. So unless you actually want make something different, i would say stay with it.
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Speaking of which, should I clear all the arenas and rings of blood, or are there some that aren't worth doing?
When you can do them all i would say go for it.
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What's the script situation like? I still have my old Monsterbation, but it hasn't been updated for 1061 days, so I'm guessing there might be something better?
Nope, but i still would say go for the newest version of monsterbation.
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post Jun 10 2020, 19:14
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QUOTE(friggo @ Jun 10 2020, 18:57) *

So, uh, I think I'm back.

I've taken something like a 3-year break from HentaiVerse, but since I've been looking for a nice comfy time-killer recently, I figured I'd get back into it. Anyone kind enough to catch me up? I've got a few questions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
  • I've still got my old holy mage build (gear in sig). Is it viable or should I try making something else?
  • I've completely forgotten about the skill rotation. What do I cast / use / spam when I jump into an arena or grindfest?
  • Speaking of which, should I clear all the arenas and rings of blood, or are there some that aren't worth doing?
  • What's the script situation like? I still have my old Monsterbation, but it hasn't been updated for 1061 days, so I'm guessing there might be something better?
That's it for now. Anyways, hello again and hopefully I'll stick around this time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Monsterbation is still the best script for battle, buy you should definitely update to the newest version.
Holy mage gear still good. You can work with that and upgrade much later.
Skill rotation, just cast all defenses or put them in Innate Arcane slots. And then start hovering with monsterbation.
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post Jun 10 2020, 19:24
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QUOTE(BL.Kunkka @ Jun 11 2020, 00:54) *

Thanks, I will replace my cotton gloves with a phase one and invest more on my cotton cap.


As I don't know how high your staff and cap base prof, try calculate what you get from just using one cotton first.
I think you need at least 50% from each with sufficient upgrade to stay above .70 prof factor.

QUOTE(friggo @ Jun 11 2020, 01:57) *
  • I've still got my old holy mage build (gear in sig). Is it viable or should I try making something else?
  • I've completely forgotten about the skill rotation. What do I cast / use / spam when I jump into an arena or grindfest?
  • Speaking of which, should I clear all the arenas and rings of blood, or are there some that aren't worth doing?
  • What's the script situation like? I still have my old Monsterbation, but it hasn't been updated for 1061 days, so I'm guessing there might be something better?


we haven't got any 0.82 patch again, so yours still fine. but lately there are people who shift to non imperil radiant instead of charged.
the generic buff then imperil all enemies then T3-2-1 holy spell?
I think it's depends, 2nd page arena is fine to clear everyday, some prefer doing the 1st page for tokens too before doing their IW/fest grind, some consider those 1st page arena as "generally inefficient".
For RoB I think generally people do only the FSM (5tokens) daily and sell the noodle, some also do konata expecting free run by getting another token or wishing for a chaos token exchange but once again it might be a losing gamble (moreover if you had all monster slot unlocked).
you might wants to update everything, as far as I remember there are some necessary update to stop the script from doing what might be illegal, hvutils had one a few weeks ago, I believe monsterbation also had some a few years back, I don't know if yours is before or after the update, so just upgrade it so you're on the safe side.

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post Jun 10 2020, 23:19
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Thanks for all the input. I'll be sure to update the script at least.

Another quick question: What's the best difficulty to do grindfests on? I vaguely remember doing them on a non-PFUDOR difficulty because it was supposedly more efficient, but I don't know exactly what it was.
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post Jun 10 2020, 23:24
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QUOTE(friggo @ Jun 10 2020, 23:19) *

Thanks for all the input. I'll be sure to update the script at least.

Another quick question: What's the best difficulty to do grindfests on? I vaguely remember doing them on a non-PFUDOR difficulty because it was supposedly more efficient, but I don't know exactly what it was.

Do you maybe still remember doing Hell Fest? But afaik the most profitable Fest would be PFUDOR, with IWBTH close second. But that is mostly because token and artifact drop rate for lower difficutly fest is reduced. So i would suggest do PFUDOR or IWBTH.
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post Jun 10 2020, 23:56
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QUOTE(friggo @ Jun 10 2020, 22:19) *

Thanks for all the input. I'll be sure to update the script at least.

Another quick question: What's the best difficulty to do grindfests on? I vaguely remember doing them on a non-PFUDOR difficulty because it was supposedly more efficient, but I don't know exactly what it was.


I ran them in IWBTH for a long time. It's actually better than PF in raw profit for most players, but PF has considerably better equipment drop rates. It's up to you which you prefer to play.

The others didn't quite cover it, but mages have two styles of play: imperil, and non-imperil. Imperil is stronger for 99% of people (ie, anyone who doesn't have high quality radiants and very high DD levels), but it's also a little more tedious to play.

Holy is pretty bad at imperil; it doesn't have deprecating prof on Oak, and it doesn't have counter-resist on Katalox, and it doesn't have holy EDB on Willow if it chooses a staff that has both of the first things. These stats affect how often imperil is resisted & has to be recast. On top of that, it has a slightly worse imperil - it only reduces 25% holy mitigation, rather than the 40% reduction elemental types enjoy.

Most people play holy as non-imperil, partly because the holy debuff is incredible for it, and partly because imperil is a little tedious to play.

Since you're already geared for holy - albeit with charged everything, not radiants - you'll probably want to play non-imperil. For fests, that means you're gonna want to play on a lower difficulty until you can realize the mage dream of high DD, full forging, high prof, holy radiants, etc etc...

You should be fine in arenas, though! You should imperil schoolgirls, and magnet FSM, unicorn, and drogon & chums, but other than that, you can just blast through with the standard T3>T2>T1 priority sequence (T3 whenever available, if not T2, if not that then T1).

Hellfest is still profitable. Not as much as higher difficulties, but you'll still be making more than it costs just by playing. You might go insane and burn out though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jun 11 2020, 03:05
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When should I dish my under-leveled legendary piece of equipment for an exquisite/magnificent of my level?
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post Jun 11 2020, 03:15
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When should I dish my under-leveled legendary piece of equipment for an exquisite/magnificent of my level?


When the actual stats (not percentiles) are higher on the exq/mag? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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When the actual stats (not percentiles) are higher on the exq/mag? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
That must be really bad Leg, or really, really good exq/mag for that even be possible.
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post Jun 11 2020, 03:32
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QUOTE(lestion @ Jun 11 2020, 03:15) *

When the actual stats (not percentiles) are higher on the exq/mag? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


True that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I was just wondering if there's a rule of thumb when I should replace an underleveled equipment for a lower quality but at my level equipment, ie I should trade my leg 30 below my level for a mag at my level or I should trade my leg 60 below my level for an exquisite or something to that effect.
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post Jun 11 2020, 04:05
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Are the leg not worth soulfusing? Are they that bad? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Jun 11 2020, 04:33
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I would love to soulfuse, but I don't have enough fragments. Unless I'm missing something, I can only farm from RE (or New Dawn from hath perk, or directly buy from shop but it's so expensive for me).
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