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post Jun 6 2020, 09:11
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So when do monsters start getting kills/wins now (Level wise)? I haven't had a single victory from my monsters since I've returned. Seems there aren't too many newer players around anymore. Most my monsters are in the 100-300 range atm. Had 10-35 wins on most of them before I left.


I guess above 1000... but it's not really worth the investment unless you are planning to play for a looong time
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post Jun 6 2020, 10:10
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At what point I should stop opening monster slot and start focusing on leveling a few monster? I'm at 13 monster at the moment. If it's relevant I don't do grindfest and probably won't ever do it, it sounds tedious TBH.
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post Jun 6 2020, 10:36
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QUOTE(Evyy @ Jun 6 2020, 10:10) *

At what point I should stop opening monster slot and start focusing on leveling a few monster? I'm at 13 monster at the moment. If it's relevant I don't do grindfest and probably won't ever do it, it sounds tedious TBH.

as soon as you have 100 monster slots opened. Never before, it's not worth it at all.
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post Jun 6 2020, 11:07
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jun 6 2020, 09:11) *

I guess above 1000... but it's not really worth the investment unless you are planning to play for a looong time



QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jun 6 2020, 10:36) *

as soon as you have 100 monster slots opened. Never before, it's not worth it at all.


Owwy. Guess I need to start working on opening slots instead then.
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post Jun 6 2020, 11:48
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Owwy. Guess I need to start working on opening slots instead then.

Upgrading the monsters is really, really not recommended, credits-wise. It is worth upgrading them only to restore their morale, to save up on happy pills, until the happy pills become a cheaper option then using crystals.

The only other reason to upgrade your monsters, is to unlock extra levels of Scavenger, which is needed only when you have ll 100 slos already unlocked, and all your monsters already at their max level of Scavenger. Which is a situation that only the strongest players will ever face.

That being said, when we say that unlocking slots is a priority, this has to be considered very, very seriously. It is strongly recommended to unlock levels of Tokenizer hath perks ASAP, after Innate Arcana. You will really need a ludicrous amount of tokens to unlock all 100 slots.
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post Jun 7 2020, 14:52
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Is there an easy way to make a list of equipment I'm currently wearing? I started playing back after a long break, but since I almost forgot about everything about HV, I've thought I'd ask from here.

Edit: Found it, it was the C key. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Another question, is HVUtils and HVToolBox supposed to be used seperately? Because using both of them at the same time results on some really ugly UI.

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post Jun 7 2020, 17:03
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QUOTE(Bedbin @ Jun 7 2020, 13:52) *

Is there an easy way to make a list of equipment I'm currently wearing? I started playing back after a long break, but since I almost forgot about everything about HV, I've thought I'd ask from here.

Edit: Found it, it was the C key. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Another question, is HVUtils and HVToolBox supposed to be used seperately? Because using both of them at the same time results on some really ugly UI.


They're sort of competitors - the ToolBox developer left a long time ago and since then it's been on 'maintenance only' updates from Decondelite. The intended use is for people who prefer its UI.

HVUtils is the successor to that, and offers a lot more options, but it seems people find those options intimidating and the features can feel a little cluttered if you don't make full use of them. It can be considered a comprehensive upgrade to HV quality of life, and incorporates a ton of features that should be part of the base game, as well as other useful features like the mage stat readout and proficiency simulation.

In general I'm a staunch supporter of HVUtils - I could not play without it - but there's a certain someone who'll bash me over the head with a hammer if I don't at least suggest HVToolBox is a viable alternative...
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post Jun 7 2020, 17:15
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They're sort of competitors - the ToolBox developer left a long time ago and since then it's been on 'maintenance only' updates from Decondelite. The intended use is for people who prefer its UI.

HVUtils is the successor to that, and offers a lot more options, but it seems people find those options intimidating and the features can feel a little cluttered if you don't make full use of them. It can be considered a comprehensive upgrade to HV quality of life, and incorporates a ton of features that should be part of the base game, as well as other useful features like the mage stat readout and proficiency simulation.

In general I'm a staunch supporter of HVUtils - I could not play without it - but there's a certain someone who'll bash me over the head with a hammer if I don't at least suggest HVToolBox is a viable alternative...

Appreciate the help, I guess I'll install them both and enable one or another depending on the situation. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I have one more question, regarding my current equipment. Is it currently necessary for me replace any of them? I feel like I at least should replace my body armor because it's significantly below my current level (323) but what about the rest?

Main Hand: [160102193] Legendary Shocking Rapier of Balance (Level Soulbound, IW 10, forged 5, ADB 47%, Parry 93%, PCrit Chc 33%)
Off Hand: [159282927] Magnificent Cobalt Force Shield of Warding (Level 318, Str End Agi, forged 5, BLK 29%)
Helmet: [129208940] Magnificent Zircon Power Helmet of Warding (Level 319)
Body: [149762017] Magnificent Ruby Power Armor of Protection (Level 268, MMit 12%)
Hands: [161026644] Legendary Jade Power Gauntlets of Warding (Level 312, ADB 33%, PMit 45%, MMit 41%)
Legs: [161508934] Magnificent Jade Power Leggings of Protection (Level 318, ADB 25%)
Feet: [156768323] Magnificent Power Boots of Protection (Level 305, MMit 20%)

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post Jun 7 2020, 17:19
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QUOTE(lestion @ Jun 7 2020, 15:03) *

In general I'm a staunch supporter of HVUtils - I could not play without it - but there's a certain someone who'll bash me over the head with a hammer if I don't at least suggest HVToolBox is a viable alternative...

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post Jun 7 2020, 18:41
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QUOTE(Bedbin @ Jun 7 2020, 17:15) *

Appreciate the help, I guess I'll install them both and enable one or another depending on the situation. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I have one more question, regarding my current equipment. Is it currently necessary for me replace any of them? I feel like I at least should replace my body armor because it's significantly below my current level (323) but what about the rest?

Main Hand: [160102193] Legendary Shocking Rapier of Balance (Level Soulbound, IW 10, forged 5, ADB 47%, Parry 93%, PCrit Chc 33%)
Off Hand: [159282927] Magnificent Cobalt Force Shield of Warding (Level 318, Str End Agi, forged 5, BLK 29%)
Helmet: [129208940] Magnificent Zircon Power Helmet of Warding (Level 319)
Body: [149762017] Magnificent Ruby Power Armor of Protection (Level 268, MMit 12%)
Hands: [161026644] Legendary Jade Power Gauntlets of Warding (Level 312, ADB 33%, PMit 45%, MMit 41%)
Legs: [161508934] Magnificent Jade Power Leggings of Protection (Level 318, ADB 25%)
Feet: [156768323] Magnificent Power Boots of Protection (Level 305, MMit 20%)


That lv268 is too low level for you. You should generally try to use items within 30 levels or so from your own level. If it's a great item, you can soulfuse - but that one isn't great. Also those boots could be replaced.

You can sell the low level items, probably.
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post Jun 7 2020, 18:53
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QUOTE(Bedbin @ Jun 8 2020, 00:15) *


I have one more question, regarding my current equipment. Is it currently necessary for me replace any of them? I feel like I at least should replace my body armor because it's significantly below my current level (323) but what about the rest?



I'll start with replacing any pieces with less than maximum possible PAB (2 PAB bonus instead of 3. i,e your boots which is lack str)
unless you have certain protection/warding fetish, possibly also start replacing everything with slaughter pieces and soulfusing them (any mag slaughter with 3 pabs or better, legendary balance is fine too if you still haven't reach that 200% accuracy) if you found exquisite slaughter that near your level, that's also fine, though I don't know if 3 pabs exquisite is still a thing nowadays..
don't splurge too much or push everything too far (spending millions on upgrades/IW), I believe 1h heavy should be a cheap build to bridge you until you're ready to switch into mage.
if you have no intention to switch into mage, then feel free to sacrifice everything for your 1h build.

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post Jun 7 2020, 19:15
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Protection and Warding are not a fetish, they are the key to success in IW and PFFEST...
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post Jun 7 2020, 19:22
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Thanks for the answers both of you, I'll take a look at WTS section and replace my armor and boots then, hopefully I can find some Mag ones with Slaughter suffix.

I don't plan to go for a mage build anytime soon since from what I remember it's really expensive so I'll stick with 1H Heavy for the foreseeable future.
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post Jun 7 2020, 20:17
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Hello experts,

Could you please help with the play style of 1H mage(or battle mage?) who use 1H weapon +shield+cloth armors?

I've got some information that this kind of play style is suitable for someone who want to finish X20 GF with "low" cost, with the following equips:

1. one output prefixed waki with nimble/battlecaster suffix, full forged on EDB&parry.
2. one buckler with battlecaster/barrier suffix, full forged parry.
3. Four phase(same kind of output with weapon) +one cotton. The cotton one is full forged on prof.

Do you experts have experience on it? Or it need other requirements such as level/prof/DD level/other forge etc.?

And which level of Crystarium is required to make GF profitable(the value of dropped crystal is more than the ED+potion+scroll cost)?

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post Jun 7 2020, 20:28
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QUOTE(Bolide @ Jun 7 2020, 19:17) *

Hello experts,

Could you please help with the play style of 1H mage(or battle mage?) who use 1H weapon +shield+cloth armors?

I've got some information that this kind of play style is suitable for someone who want to finish X20 GF with "low" cost, with the following equips:

1. one output prefixed waki with nimble/battlecaster suffix, full forged on EDB&parry.
2. one buckler with battlecaster/barrier suffix, full forged parry.
3. Four phase(same kind of output with weapon) +one cotton. The cotton one is full forged on prof.

Do you experts have experience on it? Or it need other requirements such as level/prof/DD level/other forge etc.?

And which level of Crystarium is required to make GF profitable(the value of dropped crystal is more than the ED+potion+scroll cost)?

Thanks in advance. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


If you use only one cotton, you are going to significantly miss out on damage from having very low proficiency (since you'll get none from weapons).

Grindfest is always profitable. Just not very much.

Do not expect any miracles from 1H mage without investment. It may perform worse than 1H in this case. There is no way around mage expenses if you want to do grindfests (especially on PFUDOR - you may be able to get into IWBTH much cheaper, though).
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post Jun 7 2020, 21:34
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QUOTE(Bolide @ Jun 7 2020, 20:17) *

Hello experts,

Could you please help with the play style of 1H mage(or battle mage?) who use 1H weapon +shield+cloth armors?

I've got some information that this kind of play style is suitable for someone who want to finish X20 GF with "low" cost, with the following equips:

1. one output prefixed waki with nimble/battlecaster suffix, full forged on EDB&parry.
2. one buckler with battlecaster/barrier suffix, full forged parry.
3. Four phase(same kind of output with weapon) +one cotton. The cotton one is full forged on prof.

Do you experts have experience on it? Or it need other requirements such as level/prof/DD level/other forge etc.?

And which level of Crystarium is required to make GF profitable(the value of dropped crystal is more than the ED+potion+scroll cost)?

Thanks in advance. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


I've played cold 1h mage a while. I used 4 phase 1 cotton, because I was preparing for full mage with redwood staff. but if you want to keep using 1h mage: 3+2 is better. I used waki of battlecaster and buckler of barrier. You can finish PFFEST with such a set-up. But not fast.
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post Jun 7 2020, 22:15
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QUOTE(Bolide @ Jun 8 2020, 03:17) *

Hello experts,

Could you please help with the play style of 1H mage(or battle mage?) who use 1H weapon +shield+cloth armors?

I've got some information that this kind of play style is suitable for someone who want to finish X20 GF with "low" cost, with the following equips:

1. one output prefixed waki with nimble/battlecaster suffix, full forged on EDB&parry.
2. one buckler with battlecaster/barrier suffix, full forged parry.
3. Four phase(same kind of output with weapon) +one cotton. The cotton one is full forged on prof.

Do you experts have experience on it? Or it need other requirements such as level/prof/DD level/other forge etc.?

And which level of Crystarium is required to make GF profitable(the value of dropped crystal is more than the ED+potion+scroll cost)?

Thanks in advance. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


without sufficient investment it might only give a slight increase (or even worse) compared to 1h-OFC with extra cost on elixirs.
I would say that buckler battlecaster might be better than barrier, because you will cast A LOT more compared to common mage and without it in some case you'll probably ended up running out of mana even after chuging mana elixirs...
also, consider upgrading the magic accuracy too on the weapon if yours still insufficient..

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请问大佬,重装单手bd到底用power还是shielding plate比较好?
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请问大佬,重装单手bd到底用power还是shielding plate比较好?

This forum is english only. Shielding plate is fine to use, power is better at higher level.
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post Jun 8 2020, 09:07
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Which spells should I be casting as 1H Heavy at the start of a battle? I currently use Regen + Heartseeker and I have Spark of Life, Spirit Shield and Protection on Auto-Cast. Anything else? Haste, for example? Current character stats:

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