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May 23 2020, 06:03
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Shank
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ May 23 2020, 04:48)  by the time you reach a point where haste is "useless" for 1h, you should already have excess points on ability... unless you are not investing on ability boost at all, which is somewhat just punishing yourself for the sake of being cheapskate. you just need about 50-ish level on them to keep abilities related to 1h fully upgraded, all the way to lvl 400, just somewhere around 180k investment. A small investment, after all if you wish to switch to maging, you'll need 100-ish level to keep mage abilities fully upgraded all the way up to lvl 450. even at lvl 500 you'll still need those 50.
I don't disagree with you. But at his level, hes probably survivable enough to not need it since <200, and by the time he's >200 he'll have enough points to do upgrade it then if he needs it (if he even does need it), hence, as I've quoted twice: "If you can survive well enough without upgrading it," We don't know his equipment or how well he's surviving, so the only advise I can give is "upgrade it if you need it".
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May 23 2020, 06:33
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Fudo Masamune
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QUOTE(Ubershank @ May 23 2020, 13:03)  But at his level, hes probably survivable enough to not need it since <200, and by the time he's >200 he'll have enough points to do upgrade it then if he needs it (if he even does need it),
I doubt that, In contrary his level is where it start, lvl 200-300 is where survivability tested the most, that's the range where any help on survivability is needed more, to the point that even 1h-light is still welcome, at the very least until late-mid 200 where spirit shield become reliable. If I were him I would prioritize haste and shadow veil instead of lvl 3 heavy slash/piercing/crush for example (7 ability points each for "mere" 0.1 increase from lvl 2)
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May 23 2020, 06:42
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Shank
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ May 23 2020, 05:33)  I doubt that, In contrary his level is where it start, lvl 200-300 is where survivability tested the most, that's the range where any help on survivability is needed more, to the point that even 1h-light is still welcome, at the very least until late-mid 200 where spirit shield become reliable.
If I were him I would prioritize haste and shadow veil instead of lvl 3 heavy slash/piercing/crush for example (7 ability points each for "mere" 0.1 increase from lvl 2)
Game must have gotten harder in once of the updates since I was that level then. I played with thatever happened to self drop until well into 200's and never needed it, even when I was playing with dodgy styles like power niten, or dw axes, because I didn't know any better (started using it a bit later on for a while though, for mana reasons). But I wasn't about for some updates, so maybe it changed. Still, we don't know how well he's surviving, or how many cures he's comfortable making. Only he at this moment knows that, so only he can answer "If you can survive well enough without upgrading it,". I've never once advised him not to upgrade it if he needs it. This post has been edited by Ubershank: May 23 2020, 06:46
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May 23 2020, 10:11
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KitsuneAbby
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I'm with Fudo here. Playing 1H is far from being a walk in the park until heavily geared. If all one does is arenas and REs, not using Haste should be fine, although a fair load of players will struggle a bit. Don't forget that your average Lvl300 player doesn't have Legendary power armor, hence not even a Forge 5 set.
The one thing that will really, really need extra survivability is Item World. This is the one thing that a player Lvl200-400 might be tempted to do himself (because he has the Dark descent perk and doesn't want to pay/wait for IW service), and this is where things will really be a nightmare. And in that case, Haste will probably be mandatory, even if it's the very last layer of survivability that should be used. By that, I mean that feathers, depr spells (especially Silence and Drain) and Shadow Veil come before even considering Haste.
Dunno about you, but I remember suffering an immense pain trying to IW my peerless power armor at Lvl350. And I managed with a shitload of depr+supportive spells, plus elixirs... as 1H.
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May 23 2020, 12:52
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dibdib
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What are optimal investments on my level? 315 1H Heavy Power IA3: SoL, Spirit Shield, Protection Adept Learner 162 Assimilator 2
Main goal for next 50 or so levels - faster arenas on PFUDOR, faster SG arenas on whatever level it's not too slow (Hard now, ~30min last arena).
The ways I see: Perks: IA4? Not sure I see a reason here for now. Vitality? Regeneration? Thinking Cap? Save a lot for DD1?
Chase&Buy Legendaries. Now have only Helmet and Shield.
Forge a lot. M Shortsword of Slaughter is my main weapon, Void/Cold. I maxed (for my level) all cheap(er) options for it and on the way to max for shield's Parry and Block. Start to forge Damage? Start to forge armor?
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May 23 2020, 13:48
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(dibdib @ May 23 2020, 10:52)  What are optimal investments on my level? 315 1H Heavy Power IA3: SoL, Spirit Shield, Protection Adept Learner 162 Assimilator 2
Main goal for next 50 or so levels - faster arenas on PFUDOR, faster SG arenas on whatever level it's not too slow (Hard now, ~30min last arena).
The ways I see: Perks: IA4? Not sure I see a reason here for now. Vitality? Regeneration? Thinking Cap? Save a lot for DD1?
Chase&Buy Legendaries. Now have only Helmet and Shield.
Forge a lot. M Shortsword of Slaughter is my main weapon, Void/Cold. I maxed (for my level) all cheap(er) options for it and on the way to max for shield's Parry and Block. Start to forge Damage? Start to forge armor?
I'd forge anything that is Legendary if I were you. From cheapest to most expensive. So I'd start with everything Forge 5, then the weapon's Parry, STR and DEX PABs, then the shield's Block and PABs, and then the power armor's PABs, then the weapon's ADB, and the power armor's ADB and PMit last.
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May 23 2020, 17:22
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Shank
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QUOTE(decondelite @ May 23 2020, 09:11)  I'm with Fudo here.
And I wasn't disagreeing with him, even if I didn't sound like it. My mood last night made me sound like a cunt, + the fact that I worded my original post very badly. All I was trying to say, was that if he didn't need it, don't waste points on it, because when he does need it he'll have enough without spending out on it, it's easier to buy ability points at later levels when you need less of them, have a more stable income due to having access to all arenas, and being less likely to overspend on ability points giving you excess. QUOTE(decondelite @ May 23 2020, 09:11)  Playing 1H is far from being a walk in the park until heavily geared. If all one does is arenas and REs, not using Haste should be fine, although a fair load of players will struggle a bit. Don't forget that your average Lvl300 player doesn't have Legendary power armor, hence not even a Forge 5 set.
At level 168, I wouldn't expect him to be doing much outside of arenas and re's QUOTE(decondelite @ May 23 2020, 09:11)  The one thing that will really, really need extra survivability is Item World. This is the one thing that a player Lvl200-400 might be tempted to do himself (because he has the Dark descent perk and doesn't want to pay/wait for IW service), and this is where things will really be a nightmare. And in that case, Haste will probably be mandatory, even if it's the very last layer of survivability that should be used. By that, I mean that feathers, depr spells (especially Silence and Drain) and Shadow Veil come before even considering Haste.
By the time he gets to that level, he'd have the spare points for it anyway QUOTE(decondelite @ May 23 2020, 09:11)  Dunno about you, but I remember suffering an immense pain trying to IW my peerless power armor at Lvl350. And I managed with a shitload of depr+supportive spells, plus elixirs... as 1H.
I suffered IW'ing around that level, though not so much as needing elixirs. I did use haste and shadow veil (it's only recently that I've been able to stop needing them for IW), and if he was around that level and had mentioned he was struggling with IW, I'd have definitely advised him to go for it. But just a reminder, we don't know how much he's struggling, what battle modes he's playing, or even what abilities he's already picked. There's tonnes of things he could be spending his money on at such a low level, so it'd be wrong just to say "upgrade it anyway, you'll need it after another 150 levels for IW", and we don't know his other abiltities he's already picked to advise him which ones to go for first. If he hadn't picked shadow veil for example, Id advise him to put points in that over haste, as it's a considerably better defensive boost easrly on. If he hadn't put points in regen, cure, or pots, I'd advise him to put in that. But I don't know what he's allocated his current points in. So the only fair advise to give him, really is to only upgrade it if you need it. This post has been edited by Ubershank: May 23 2020, 17:39
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May 23 2020, 19:18
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BlueWaterSplash
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QUOTE(decondelite)  I remember suffering an immense pain trying to IW my peerless power armor at Lvl350. And I managed with a shitload of depr+supportive spells, plus elixirs... as 1H. I might do it slower but it's been comfortable for me to IW anything once past level 300 (don't need any deprecating spells) and especially once I got my current equipment some levels later (need few or no draughts). I still heal a fair bit even now which slows my times down but it's nowhere near the point of struggling to survive. Up to level 350 though I would still target enemies singly in IW, which helped a lot with max forged rapier. This isn't as attractive an option with shortsword but would still be viable with imperil. I did only IW from level 200 to 250 (completing a straight IW10 caused me to raise almost 50 levels) and it was a struggle to survive at nintendo and iwbth (I also got really poor). From level 250 to 300, I had a much better set of legendary plate and rapier, and I struggled to survive at pfudor IW. I have moderate experience using low amounts of feathers and casting weaken, silence, and drain. I never experienced much difference between an IW100 or an IW80, but this is probably due to the different rapier build which can sort of wing it through even IW100 without major injury, targeting enemies singly if necessary at the end. QUOTE(decondelite)  in that case, Haste will probably be mandatory, even if it's the very last layer of survivability that should be used. By that, I mean that feathers, depr spells (especially Silence and Drain) and Shadow Veil come before even considering Haste. Now that I think far better of Shadow Veil and evade than I used to, I see better what you've meant all this time. I still think Haste is competitive with Shadow Veil though in terms of impact on offense with rapier, and would choose it before Shadow Veil if only for the fact that Shadow Veil costs mana while Haste is arguably free. If it's enough to survive I think you should take Haste over deprecating spells. The loss of turns is the only knock against Haste. Casting deprecating spells every round also loses turns and costs mana. With shortsword the deprecating spells may be better. This post has been edited by BlueWaterSplash: May 23 2020, 19:25
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May 24 2020, 01:55
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sexpixels
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 23 2020, 02:37) 
Holy or Dark infusion for SG arenas, any infusion for the rest.
FYI using a mace isnt the best weapon, it just may think like it is good, because it may keeps you alive, but in the end it only does cover up that your overall set is flawed. From my experience in former mace user, i would assume you play heavy. And that is not good.
QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ May 23 2020, 02:38) 
i.e if you prefer monster attack you more to increase your counter, then avoid cold/wind spike shield, elec is also useless if you don't mind evade/resist, leaving only fire. if you need more general damage avoidance, then cold/wind might be better than fire and so on and so on. even then, their effect might still negligible enough that whichever you choose might won't matter at all.
You don't use infusion as consumable in battle if you play melee.
for weapon enchantment against SG monster it's usually holy/dark.
Thanks for the answers! Yes I use Power Armor, Protection and Warding (Slaughter its hard to find). Could you can recommend me a better weapon to use in combination with Heavy Armor for levels 300-350? Stoc or Rapier+Shield maybe? Another question. Is it useful to use Voidseeker and Featherweight shards on Ethereal weapons?
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May 24 2020, 03:19
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(sexpixels @ May 24 2020, 01:55)  Could you can recommend me a better weapon to use in combination with Heavy Armor for levels 300-350? Stoc or Rapier+Shield maybe?
Well when the heavy armor is the important part for you, i would suggest play 1H. And yes, personally if where you i would go for a rapier. But in the end the weapon i would not recomment for 1H would be an Axe, because of the lack of parry. QUOTE(sexpixels @ May 24 2020, 01:55)  Another question. Is it useful to use Voidseeker and Featherweight shards on Ethereal weapons?
No, voidseeker does nothing, because an etheral weapon, just like any elemental weapon with IW 10 btw, allready has the void strike and you cant have a second voidstike. And for ethereal weapon only featherweight are also useless, because of lack of burden and intereference. Featherwehight would also something i would not recommand to use as 1H, unless of course it would allow you to play on a difficulty you would otherwhise not be able to play on.
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May 24 2020, 03:39
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Shank
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 24 2020, 02:19)  No, voidseeker does nothing, because an etheral weapon, just like any elemental weapon with IW 10 btw, allready has the void strike and you cant have a second voidstike. .
Voidseekers also give attack accuracy, which can be rather important at low level Edit: To add to this: even if your accuracy is at 100% it isn't a guaranteed hit, you need 200% for that (and even then, you can get parried), so if you're less than that they are useful. They add an extra 50% attack accuracy for 60 minutes, and cost 150c each on HVMarket, so they are pennies to buy. This post has been edited by Ubershank: May 24 2020, 03:45
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May 24 2020, 03:46
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(Ubershank @ May 24 2020, 03:39)  Voidseekers also give attack accuracy, which can be rather important at low level
It does? Hm, yeah, now that you mention it i guess there was something about them i just keep forgetting. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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May 24 2020, 03:47
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Shank
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 24 2020, 02:46)  It does? Hm, yeah, now that you mention it i guess there was something about them i just keep forgetting. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Yeah, it's easy to forget since you eventually stop needing them. I relied on them a hell of a lot and can't recommend them enough
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May 24 2020, 10:23
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dibdib
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QUOTE(decondelite @ May 23 2020, 14:48)  I'd forge anything that is Legendary if I were you. From cheapest to most expensive. So I'd start with everything Forge 5, then the weapon's Parry, STR and DEX PABs, then the shield's Block and PABs, and then the power armor's PABs, then the weapon's ADB, and the power armor's ADB and PMit last.
Thank you for answers!
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May 26 2020, 05:38
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Shank
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0% evade, and only 0.9% attack speed won't kill you, you're fine
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May 26 2020, 05:39
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(overvelming @ May 26 2020, 05:23)  Greeting! Hi. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) QUOTE(overvelming @ May 26 2020, 05:23)  I play a 1H HEAVY MELEE Yeah, i know what you play. I can read it from your screenshot. On the upper right, Fighting Style One-Handed. But even if it wouldnt be written there, i can see 27.7 % block chance while 0% evade. Btw what shield are you using? Not even 28% seems a bit low, even for your level. QUOTE(overvelming @ May 26 2020, 05:23)  I was wondering did I attribute too much experience into Agility?
0.9% Attack Speed Bonus. Yeah, i would say you did. QUOTE(Ubershank @ May 26 2020, 05:38)  0% evade, and only 0.9% attack speed won't kill you, you're fine
He has 0% evade because of his high burden. Agi has nothing to do with this. And no, that much burden and 0% evade is fine and expected by your level and the tier of equiipment i assume you use. This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: May 26 2020, 05:41
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May 26 2020, 05:43
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Shank
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 26 2020, 04:39)  He has 0% evade because of his high burden. Agi has nothing to do with this.
Agility gives evade. Also, I highly doubt 0.9% attack speed will lose him any turns I don't really know the formula, but as far as I can tell from the wiki, attack speed is based on agi above a players level, so I'm assuming that his attack speed isn't even from his agility, but possibly from quick stroke on his weapon? I'm not 100% confident on that though. This post has been edited by Ubershank: May 26 2020, 05:58
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May 26 2020, 05:57
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(Ubershank @ May 26 2020, 05:43)  Agility gives evade.
Not when you have such high burden. High burden does negate evade. QUOTE(Ubershank @ May 26 2020, 05:43)  Also, I highly doubt 0.9% attack speed will lose him any turns
True, but but he would benefit from other stats more as from his high AGI.
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May 26 2020, 06:06
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overvelming
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 25 2020, 19:39)  Hi. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) Yeah, i know what you play. I can read it from your screenshot. On the upper right, Fighting Style One-Handed. But even if it wouldnt be written there, i can see 27.7 % block chance while 0% evade. Btw what shield are you using? Not even 28% seems a bit low, even for your level. 0.9% Attack Speed Bonus. Yeah, i would say you did. He has 0% evade because of his high burden. Agi has nothing to do with this. And no, that much burden and 0% evade is fine and expected by your level and the tier of equiipment i assume you use. Thx for your reply, yea, as you mentioned, with more than 80 of equipment burden, Agility seems have not much effort. Guess I need to set the attribution priority of Agility equal to Intelligence and get a better shield.
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