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Currently at my level it's fairly easy to gain >1 per LVup. Maybe I should prioritize to get x1,2 while I still can? Mine at LV330:

Ehm, you know that your prof gain depends mostly on the difference between your prof and your level? Even with full assimilator training, you would sometime reach a point when you only get 1x prof per level? And this gets even worse when you did reach level 500 and so of course every additional prof point above 500 let you gain less and less prof. Tbh, if i were you i would not worry about your prof. I mean from your prof points i would assume you play 1H, and looking at your equipment does confirms this. So what do you actually gain for a full 1.000 prof point? 4 additional damage and a few HP for sure. Maybe also some additional melee mitigation and for every 40 of them, you actually get an additional percentage to your block chance. Sure, all nice to have, but would you actually say that it is a big deal to you?

I have read some conversations in chat that Proficiency is much harder to gain at higher levels. To the point where people skip New Dawns and use Energy Drinks to be able to gain at least 1.0 per level. I am wondering when I should worry about Proficiency gains. Currently at my level it's fairly easy to gain >1 per LVup. Maybe I should prioritize to get x1,2 while I still can? Mine at LV330:

just a confirmation, proficiency gain is tied to experience gain, skipping dawns would just make you lost it's bonus.

don't worry too much about proficiency, it's designed that your prof would not fall behind your level as long as you play the playstyle.
even switching between two fighting styles equally you should be able to keep them at least at your level.

it's harder to gain on higher level because the experience needed for high level is also higher, it's the same as how you level slower the higher your level.
If you look at the exp table, you'll only reached the halfway of total exp needed for lvl 1-500 at around lvl 483 which means the exp needed for increasing your proficiency from 483 to 500 is also equal to experience needed to increase your proficiency from 1 to 483.
Without any asimilator training, if you keep playing one playstyle I believe you'll have enough exp to reach around 510-520 base proficiency when you reach lvl 500.

also why skipping dawn? it's not like that dawn make your proficiency trail behind. on contrary, keep fighting battles by chugging EDs is the one which makes your non-played fighting styles proficiency to not grow at all. dawn is the one which give prof exp to everything at the same time.

cmiiw, but I doubt you'll be able to reach that 1.2x base proficiency before you reach lvl 500 first. at least I never heard somebody having 600 prof before they reach 500.

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cmiiw, but I doubt you'll be able to reach that 1.2x base proficiency before you reach lvl 500 first. at least I never heard somebody having 600 prof before they reach 500.

That's correct, it's not possible to reach 1.2 factor before reaching lv500.

cmiiw, but I doubt you'll be able to reach that 1.2x base proficiency before you reach lvl 500 first. at least I never heard somebody having 600 prof before they reach 500.

This is impossible anyway - it's capped at 1.2x your level, so 499 would have a cap of 598 (though getting to 1.2x is completely, insanely slow and assimilator25 does not achieve this - even if you skip dawns and get 100% of your exp from grinding).

1.1x is possible to maintain with somewhere around assimilator15-20, but again... why care? Prof is not a big deal for melee styles. Not to the point of min-maxing it, anyway.

Just play naturally, as you feel works best for you.

Thanks for clarifications (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I also have just read on wiki that EXP is tied with Proficiency

So I will be gaining Proficiency as well if I decide to max out EXP first. I will look at Assimilator later then.

As for the source about skipping Dawn: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=5674056

It intrigued me. But now I can be rest assured and focus on increasing my EXP perks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

So I will be gaining Proficiency as well if I decide to max out EXP first. I will look at Assimilator later then.

Ehm, when you get now X prof per level, and you would now increase your overall XP gain by lets say 50%. Your prof gain per level would still be X. It would not be X +50%. XP gets a meaning for prof gain when you allready did reached level 500.

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: May 6 2020, 01:17

I am using a script for the first time (it's a miracle (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Quick question 1: how do I remove that second quickbar? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I didn't like it because, as I usually make mistakes when clicking (my motor coordination is kind of bad (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ), I'm afraid to click on something that is in that second bar (mainly the Energy Drink).

I am still learning to use the new features, and it will take me a while to adapt. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

Quick question 2: if I have 7 item slots, why 5 appear on the left (1, 2, 3, 4 and 7) and 2 on the right (5 and 6)? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I am using a script for the first time (it's a miracle (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Quick question 1: how do I remove that second quickbar? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I didn't like it because, as I usually make mistakes when clicking (my motor coordination is kind of bad (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ), I'm afraid to click on something that is in that second bar (mainly the Energy Drink).

I am still learning to use the new features, and it will take me a while to adapt. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

Quick question 2: if I have 7 item slots, why 5 appear on the left (1, 2, 3, 4 and 7) and 2 on the right (5 and 6)? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

You need to configure it a bit, dude. In the script, the quick bar is around row 84. Standard setting in Monsterbation is:

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quickbarExtend: [ 1,'ikey_1','ikey_2','ikey_3','ikey_4','ikey_7','ikey_8','ikey_9','ikey_10', 'ikey_s1','ikey_s2','ikey_s4','ikey_n1','ikey_n5','ikey_n6','ikey_6','ikey_5' ],

As you can see, the numbering o the ikey_'s is not from 1 through 7. The place in the row determines the place where they appear in the quickbar. You can adjust this by changing the code to:

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quickbarExtend: [ 1,'ikey_1','ikey_2','ikey_3','ikey_4','ikey_5','ikey_6','ikey_7 ],

You can either take out the item that is the energy drink, or shuffle your inventory slots. I did both to get it right.
Killing the quickbar all together is not adviced, you need the [ 1] at least. That shows the gems.

mine is:

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quickbarExtend: [ 1,'ikey_1','ikey_2','ikey_3','ikey_4','ikey_5','ikey_6','ikey_7', 'ikey_8', 'ikey_9', 'ikey_10', 'ikey_11', 'ikey_12','ikey_s1','ikey_s2', 'ikey_n1', 'ikey_5'],

with inventory items:

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1 Health Draught 2 Health Potion 3 Health Elixir 4 Mana Draught 5 Mana Potion 6 Mana Elixir 7 Spirit Draught 8 Spirit Potion 9 Spirit Elixir 10 Bubble-Gum 11 Flower Vase 12 Scroll of Life 13 Last Elixir 14 Energy Drink S1 Scroll of the Avatar S2 Scroll of the Gods S3 Scroll of Absorption S4 Scroll of Protection S5 Scroll of Shadows S6 Scroll of Swiftness N1 Infusion of Darkness N2 Infusion of Divinity

This post has been edited by DJNoni: May 6 2020, 08:12

Ehm, when you get now X prof per level, and you would now increase your overall XP gain by lets say 50%. Your prof gain per level would still be X. It would not be X +50%. XP gets a meaning for prof gain when you allready did reached level 500.

Are you sure, Uncle ? Because from what I've seen up to now, it doesn't work like that; not in the current HV version, anyway.

I have a lot of XP bonuses, and only level 3 of Assimilator, and I constantly use all 5 main styles (1H, DW, Niten, 2H and Mage) ... yet I have little problem in keeping all profs a bit above my level.
At my level, at least, which is just a few levels above his.

It should not be possible, if you were right, don't you think so?

Are you sure, Uncle ? Because from what I've seen up to now, it doesn't work like that; not in the current HV version, anyway.

I have a lot of XP bonuses, and only level 3 of Assimilator, and I constantly use all 5 main styles (1H, DW, Niten, 2H and Mage) ... yet I have little problem in keeping all profs a bit above my level.
At my level, at least, which is just a few levels above his.

It should not be possible, if you were right, don't you think so?

Uncle is right in saying that you don't get a higher proficiency factor by investing in XP bonuses.

You can get prof higher than your level. This is how it works:

The proficiency per exp is not a constant. Prof per EXP is very high when your prof is way below your level. Prof per EXP is still > 1 when Prof = level, but only just. That makes it possible to get prof above your level with low training of assimilator. But when prof > level, the prof per EXP gets ~1 or even < 1, without assimilator.

Assimilator changes this non-constant prof per EXP factor. But still, the Prof per EXP decreases when prof > level. Even with full Assimilator, it is just about possible to maintain 1.1 prof factor all the time while leveling up. But without full assimilator, it is not.

Of course, when you are level 500, you won't level up no more, so then assimilator really kicks ass.

Okay, so then the EXP bonus. That gives you more EXP per monster. But the Prof per EXP factor does not change from that. Prof per EXP is only influenced by Prof - level ratio, and assimilator.

Therefore, when you are LV 500, and you need more prof: get EXP bonuses, and full assimilator. Below level 500, EXP bonuses do not help your Prof per EXP factor in any way.

This post has been edited by DJNoni: May 6 2020, 15:35

Uncle is right in saying that you don't get a higher proficiency factor by investing in XP bonuses.

You can get prof higher than your level. This is how it works:

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Therefore, when you are LV 500, and you need more prof: get EXP bonuses, and full assimilator. Below level 500, EXP bonuses do not help your Prof per EXP factor in any way.

Wonderful explanation, thank you. That is more or less what I thought already.

But Uncle didn't say that, or I didn't understand him; he said :

Ehm, when you get now X prof per level, and you would now increase your overall XP gain by lets say 50%. Your prof gain per level would still be X. It would not be X +50%

I understood that like meaning that wether I had (EXP) gain or (EXP+ bonus) gain, my prof gain would be the same (which is NOT, in absolute terms)
. It is in percentages, but he enfatically said in the second case prof would not be (X+50%) with a bonus EXP of (EXP+50%) which is wrong.

Like you said, the ratio between EXP and Prof gain is the same in the two cases; so, if I gain (X) prof from (EXP) , then with a say 50% bonus on Exp I must gain (X+50%) Prof to have the same ratio. QED.

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EDIT: The problem of mutual misunderstanding here, imo, is the confusion between "Proficiency" and "Proficiency Factor". He writes only Proficiency, but he really intends the second, and that is confusing.

Because with higher bonuses, gained proficiency also is higher; it's only Proficiency FACTOR that stays the same, isn't it ? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

This post has been edited by mundomuñeca: May 6 2020, 19:43

When you get more XP, you level up faster, but you still get the same prof per level, because the prof gain per XP and level would still be the same. So unless you did reached level 500, your XP gain is mostly irrelevant for your prof gain. The only case it would matter, would be if you allready have some assimilator training, so that your XP/prof ratio from playing the game would be higher as that from dawn, in that case it is possible by increase your XP gain and thereby decrease the dawn you get per level, to increase your overall prof gain per level a little bit. And no, imo it is a very stupid idea to skip dawn, just for a little bit more prof gain per level ratio.

So unless your name is tim duncan, get your fucking dawn of the day. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

I understood that like meaning that wether I had (EXP) gain or (EXP+ bonus) gain, my prof gain would be the same (which is NOT, in absolute terms)

actually, your prof exp gain is = obtained exp * 4 * assimilator bonus (1:1 for dawn exp bonus), it's just that of course you'll have your proficiency level up faster when it's below your level, simply because it require less exp than your current level. and slower if it's higher level than you.
it's like filling lvl 350 or lvl 450 exp bar using lvl 400 exp gain. of course if it's the 350 it feels blazing fast, for the 450 it feels snailly slow.

Edit : wait. huh... yeah, I think we're talking about same thing.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: May 6 2020, 21:24

Hello ,

I would like some advice about wich spell i should use less or wich spell i should change foor my strategie of attack , because now i have some difficulty to beat arena, Dreamfall , Exile and The trio and the Tree for farming money
I just started from a week to be lvl 200 and i change from light armor to heavy armor for difficulty Nintendo , even Hell i have some difficulty


Question 1
I am now a heavy armor with a rapier and shield lvl 223, i use some spell to be alway active : regen , protection, haste,shadow veil , spark of life , Heartseaker and spirit shield.
Item i use all the Time : healt draught , mana draught and spirit draught / Healt potion and mana potion in case i begin to get low on that
Spell i use in case of boss : silence, imperil, slow , weaken
Is there any spell i should change or change my behavior with the spell i use

Question 2

Why some run even though i have a Mana Draught, i am still loosing mama even though i dont use any spell.

Thanx you in advance for the help !

Hello ,

I would like some advice about wich spell i should use less or wich spell i should change foor my strategie of attack , because now i have some difficulty to beat arena, Dreamfall , Exile and The trio and the Tree for farming money
I just started from a week to be lvl 200 and i change from light armor to heavy armor for difficulty Nintendo , even Hell i have some difficulty
Question 1
I am now a heavy armor with a rapier and shield lvl 223, i use some spell to be alway active : regen , protection, haste,shadow veil , spark of life , Heartseaker and spirit shield.
Item i use all the Time : healt draught , mana draught and spirit draught / Healt potion and mana potion in case i begin to get low on that
Spell i use in case of boss : silence, imperil, slow , weaken
Is there any spell i should change or change my behavior with the spell i use

Question 2

Why some run even though i have a Mana Draught, i am still loosing mama even though i dont use any spell.

Thanx you in advance for the help !

you will use mana by re-casting regen, protection, haste, shadow veil, spark, heartseeker and spirit shield. You can reduce mana consumption by getting the Innate Arcana hath perk. For bosses, imperil should be enough, imperil + silence if you get too much damage. You don't need slow and weaken, I think.

If you have good gear, you should forge it to at least lv5. If you don't have good gear, it's time to find some good gear.

Thanx you !

Is exquisite stuff considered good ?

And should i start to soulfuse those item now ?

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Thanks for the help DJNoni! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I was afraid to mess around and end up screwing everything up. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Thanx you !

Is exquisite stuff considered good ?

And should i start to soulfuse those item now ?

At level > 220, you should start to substitute all Exq. with at least Mag, possibly some Leg too if you can.
The Weapon first, most important. Then the equips.

For equips, in case of 1H Heavy, only Exq. Power of Slaughter can still be useful even later.

Generally soulfusing Exq. is considered a waste of soulfrags.

I did it sometimes, when I was between l.150 and 250, but I had more soulfrags around then good things to soulfuse (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I would not do that again, if I could go back then.

Hello ,

I would like some advice about wich spell i should use less or wich spell i should change foor my strategie of attack , because now i have some difficulty to beat arena, Dreamfall , Exile and The trio and the Tree for farming money
I just started from a week to be lvl 200 and i change from light armor to heavy armor for difficulty Nintendo , even Hell i have some difficulty
Question 1
I am now a heavy armor with a rapier and shield lvl 223, i use some spell to be alway active : regen , protection, haste,shadow veil , spark of life , Heartseaker and spirit shield.
Item i use all the Time : healt draught , mana draught and spirit draught / Healt potion and mana potion in case i begin to get low on that
Spell i use in case of boss : silence, imperil, slow , weaken
Is there any spell i should change or change my behavior with the spell i use

Question 2

Why some run even though i have a Mana Draught, i am still loosing mama even though i dont use any spell.

Thanx you in advance for the help !

By having a hard time are you getting defeated often on the higher difficulties and arena tiers? If so I strongly recommend buying 50 Hath as soon as possible and investing in the Innate Arcana 1 Hath Perk for Spark of Life.

Once you have Auto-Spark your survivability goes up considerably. I personally invested in Auto-Saprk at around your level and it made things easier & less tense for me because it mitigated the risk of getting one-shotted by mobs of 8-10 monsters (and FSMs) at the higher difficulties.

As for other spells at your level Regen & Protection are the big ones. You should be running them all the time. Especially Regen. Spirit Shield and Heartseeker are important too albeit costly to maintain in terms of MP at your level.

you will use mana by re-casting regen, protection, haste, shadow veil, spark, heartseeker and spirit shield. You can reduce mana consumption by getting the Innate Arcana hath perk. For bosses, imperil should be enough, imperil + silence if you get too much damage. You don't need slow and weaken, I think.

If you have good gear, you should forge it to at least lv5. If you don't have good gear, it's time to find some good gear.

On that note, would you also recommend forging Shade and Power gear to at least lv5 since those require an additional Shade Fragment or Repurposed Actuator respectively?