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post Nov 3 2019, 12:16
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QUOTE(Ubershank @ Nov 3 2019, 06:03) *

Edit: Just to clarify a bit more, the pack contains all crystal types with 1000 of each types , not just 1000 of one

just to clarify even a bit more, with time some variations like "primary crystal pack" and "mitigation crystal pack" started to appear on the market, which happen to be a crystal pack of respectively the 6 PAB-type crystals and the 6 mitigation-type crystals, of course at a less expensive price than full crystal pack.

though with the current price, maybe the reduced versions are less appealing...
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post Nov 3 2019, 12:54
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I see, Thanks.
I originally though that it was some kind of item that give you crystals when you activate it.
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post Nov 3 2019, 21:46
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Thinking about scaling into PFUDOR, especially when I hit 300 for DWD.

Is this the point where I should look for a Legendary Rapier/Shortsword to buy and soulfuse? Should I soulfuse and/or forge the shield, or look to buy a Legendary?

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[173893085] Exquisite Demonic Shortsword of Slaughter (Level 230, forged 5) (thanks FreeSHop! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

[211549031] Magnificent Ruby Force Shield of Protection (Level 254, Str End Agi)

[211178803] Exquisite Plate Helmet of Protection (Level 247)

[211080474] Superior Power Armor of Warding (Level 244)

[211484154] Exquisite Amber Plate Gauntlets of Protection (Level 251)

[211737526] Magnificent Shielding Plate Greaves of Dampening (Level 261, BLK 0%)

[211740271] Superior Plate Sabatons of Protection (Level 261)

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post Nov 3 2019, 22:37
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Back in the day when I was level 200~300 most of the other players in that same range were all trying to get Legendary rapiers (few succeeded). I have a Level 207 weak one that I found on the ground and there is another Level 252 great one currently floating around that hasn't managed to be soulfused yet. I was thinking if we could gather those two together and lend them out it would be pretty neat. The level 252 was a bit overforged though; lending it out now must require a collateral deposit of 10m+ credits which almost no one in that level range is going to have.

You should probably be able to get Magnificent gear at your level. By level 300 it shouldn't be too hard to find a cheap legendary rapier within soulfuse range. Soulfusing strategy depends on how many fragments you have gathered; forging I have no particular advice on.
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post Nov 3 2019, 23:32
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I saw some advice in the DWD thread that getting Block up to ~60% makes things a lot easier. Is it worth forging the block chance on a Magnificent Force Shield, or should I wait for a cheap Legendary?
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post Nov 3 2019, 23:44
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QUOTE(arctos33 @ Nov 3 2019, 21:32) *

I saw some advice in the DWD thread that getting Block up to ~60% makes things a lot easier. Is it worth forging the block chance on a Magnificent Force Shield, or should I wait for a cheap Legendary?

It might get very expensive, if it's even possible to upgrade a mag that much. I have a cheap legendary force shield that only has 25% block (the roll, not the actual stat), I'm on 30 block upgrades and still only have it to 55% block. A mag, unless it's exceptional, will probably take a lot more.

Others will be able to give more solid advise, and I'd recommend waiting for someone else to make a suggestion, but if it were me personally I'd get a cheap legendary force shield. 30+ upgrades is a lot for a mag shield you'll eventually replace.
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post Nov 4 2019, 05:03
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I would allways suggest get block as high as you can. But i would never say get up to 60%, because i am sure as sure that reaching 60% would even with a fully forged peerl force shield completly impossible for a player at level 271. I dont know who made that advice, but when it was for you, it was a very bad one. So i really suggest to completly ignore such suggestions, forge your Mag when you have the materials and you can spare the credits for the catalyst, and just salvage it when you finally get you Leg. And when you have your Leg, you can go full in. Just dont forget even extrem high block only gets you so far so also forge your mitigations. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Nov 4 2019, 09:11
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What's the chance that advice refers to player's overall block chance and not gear's block chance? Still a high value, given that I have 67 overall block with maxed proof and a max forged 70% leg shield...

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post Nov 4 2019, 16:26
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How do you measure the price for items? There's any easy way to do it or some script?
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post Nov 4 2019, 18:50
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How do you measure the price for items? There's any easy way to do it or some script?
One can only estimate the price of equipment, by comparing it to recent sold equipment of similiar stats. For everythingelse i suggest just take a look at WTB and WTS. While WTS is usually a bit cheaper.
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post Nov 4 2019, 22:07
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 4 2019, 09:11) *

What's the chance that advice refers to player's overall block chance and bit gear.s block chance? Still a high value, given that I have 67 overall block with maxed proof and a max forged 70% leg shield...


High, but not impossibly high.

My spare 1H set (not the main one) has 55% block chance, with only a meh Mag force shield (block only forged to 17) and one Mag Shielding Sabaton unforged.

I could reach 60% just by adding an unforged Mag Shielding piece, like a Gauntlet or a Legging.

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post Nov 4 2019, 22:57
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QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Nov 4 2019, 21:07) *

High, but not impossibly high.

My spare 1H set (not the main one) has 55% block chance, with only a meh Mag force shield (block only forged to 17) and one Mag Shielding Sabaton unforged.

I could reach 60% just by adding an unforged Mag Shielding piece, like a Gauntlet or a Legging.

for a lv271 person...

also, fixed a couple typos in previous post
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post Nov 5 2019, 02:23
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Thanks guys, I guess I could be more patient (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Nov 7 2019, 00:33
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So i'm playing some HV after a few years off. I forgot most of how to play and i'm struggling with credits and repair costs.

Character is a frost mage so i need a lot of cloth scraps, what's the most cost effective way to get it? Buy from IS? salvaging? What do you recommend for money grinding, i can clear arenas at high difficulties but it takes way longer and costs a lot more elixirs and potions and every now and then i get one shot out of nowhere, normal takes less time but the drops are... less than desirable.

I'll browse the forum again, but if anyone can point to a good guide for my build it would be awesome.
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post Nov 7 2019, 00:50
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QUOTE(pooofer @ Nov 6 2019, 23:33) *

So i'm playing some HV after a few years off.
So welcome back. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
QUOTE(pooofer @ Nov 6 2019, 23:33) *

I forgot most of how to play and i'm struggling with credits and repair costs.

In what way are you struggling with repair costs? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I mean i assume the repair costs are overall a higher proportion of your income as it would be for me. But still. Usually you should be able to make much more credits as are needed for repairs between the repairs. So, maybe keep allways some credits for the needed repairs. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Character is a frost mage
At level 254? It is not really recommended to play as mage at such a low level.
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so i need a lot of cloth scraps,
Well, it cant be that much. Do you die a lot?
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what's the most cost effective way to get it? Buy from IS? salvaging?
Yeah, those are usually the two most common way to get scraps. But you can also take a look in some shops. Shops normally sell them for a bit cheaper as the item shop. Oh, and now that i think about it. i assume you dont have the Coupon Clipper perk. So i suggest, ignore the item shop and buy at least from a shop that offers clipper service, that way you will save 10% of the total cost. That should help you.
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What do you recommend for money grinding, i can clear arenas at high difficulties but it takes way longer and costs a lot more elixirs and potions
Yeah, i am not surprised, well i would suggest to find a difficulty you are able to clear the most arenas. And now that i think about it. you came back after years? Well, that should mean your whole equipment is post 0.84 aka bad, you should replace your whole set asap.
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I'll browse the forum again, but if anyone can point to a good guide for my build it would be awesome.
Well, the first post in this topic should allready help. And of course you are welcome to ask follow up questions anytime. Because that is why we are here. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Nov 7 2019, 01:03
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Nov 6 2019, 17:50) *

So welcome back. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Ty (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Nov 6 2019, 17:50) *

In what way are you struggling with repair costs? Well, it cant be that much. Do you die a lot?

yep. i'm getting more careful after a couple of days of getting re-acquainted with the game but, in the process i pretty much drained all my stock of repair mats and creds. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Nov 6 2019, 17:50) *

Yeah, those are usually the two most common way to get scraps. But you can also take a look in some shops. Shops normally sell them for a bit cheaper as the item shop. Oh, and now that i think about it. i assume you dont have the Coupon Clipper perk. So i suggest, ignore the item shop and buy at least from a shop that offers clipper service, that way you will save 10% of the total cost. That should help you.

Turns out i myself ran a scrap shop, i didn't even remember, but i will make sure to check out some of those when i get the creds. Thx.

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Nov 6 2019, 17:50) *

Yeah, i am not surprised, well i would suggest to find a difficulty you are able to clear the most arenas. And now that i think about it. you came back after years? Well, that should mean your whole equipment is post 0.84 aka bad, you should replace your whole set asap.

Well, my equipment should be from around '15, it's actually on my sig. How is it worse than newer versions?
I also can't remember what was better on an equip, their mitigations, the base atts or the other stuff?


QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Nov 6 2019, 17:50) *

Well, the first post in this topic should allready help. And of course you are welcome to ask follow up questions anytime. Because that is why we are here. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Thx again
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post Nov 7 2019, 01:21
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Welcome back pooofer. I was in the same boat as you a little while back, came back from a long hiatus into a whole new game.

i. First of all, install some scripts to make your life easier. http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Scripts_%26_Tools

The main ones are:
1. Monsterbation
2. HV Utils
3. Live Percentile Ranges

1 and 2 will take a while to get used to, but it makes everything much easier.
3 will show you the quality of your gear and allow you to compare it with others.


ii.
Legendary quality equipment is a lot more common these days, although you level is still quite low and you may have to make do with magnificent quality for a while. (Yup equipment have levels now. You can use anything below or equal to your level. You also have the option to "soulfuse" with a higher leveled piece of equipment, up to 100 levels higher.)

Check out decondelite's shop/auctions for some nice low levelled gear.
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=201455
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=233211


iii. Lastly, it's really up to you. However, maging at your level is going to be a struggle. I suggest you find youself a starter melee set. 1h heavy works really well. Rapier of slaughter + Force shield + Power of Protection/Warding.
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post Nov 7 2019, 01:22
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QUOTE(pooofer @ Nov 7 2019, 00:03) *

Well, my equipment should be from around '15, it's actually on my sig. How is it worse than newer versions?
The stats are worse. They got overall improved for all equipment. Here i will show it with your staff.
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Do you see the minus in front of the numbers? A staff droped today, wouldnt usually be able to be below 0%. And the stats of your other equipment does also look like that. And while mage can never be more as a glass canon, at your level a mage is usually just glass and with that equipment nothing but fragile glass.
QUOTE(pooofer @ Nov 7 2019, 00:03) *

I also can't remember what was better on an equip, their mitigations, the base atts or the other stuff?
Well, for a staff usually the two most important stats are magic damage, spell damage and counter resist. Something i dont even see at your staff and the same is true for IW. IW of your staff is most important. And i am in no way suprised you struggle with that set. Because, sorry to tell you, it is bad, really bad.
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Thx again
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post Nov 7 2019, 01:53
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aye. basically poofer, you come from an era in which rolls determined quality, and you could see some bizarre results. now, quality determines rolls, and in particular min and max.

as a result, a gear of a certain quality *won't* go below a certain roll - you may want to replace your stuff.
and yep, probably sticking with melee for a while. iirc a major milestone for mages is 0-turns cooldown imperil, which is unlocked at lv310.
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post Nov 7 2019, 06:31
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QUOTE(pooofer @ Nov 7 2019, 05:33) *

So i'm playing some HV after a few years off. I forgot most of how to play and i'm struggling with credits and repair costs.

if your repair cost is over your income, moreover just the scrap cost drain your fund, there's something really wrong with how you play the game.
Repair cost is tied to how many round you play, and I believe it's designed that the average income from each round won't be lower than the repair cost, so there should be another factor that your income can't catch up with your repair cost.

it's either you die a lot (which further increase the pace of your equipment degradation) or you don't salvage at all.
but even if you don't salvage at all, the amount of credits you obtain should be way over what needed to buy the scraps to repair your equip.

btw, for those scrap, if salvaging doesn't cover your consumption rate, it's cheaper to buy from player, I believe ssss2 sell them for below coupon clipper price.

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Character is a frost mage so i need a lot of cloth scraps, what's the most cost effective way to get it? Buy from IS? salvaging? What do you recommend for money grinding, i can clear arenas at high difficulties but it takes way longer and costs a lot more elixirs and potions and every now and then i get one shot out of nowhere, normal takes less time but the drops are... less than desirable.

I'll browse the forum again, but if anyone can point to a good guide for my build it would be awesome.

if you play mage, and it's slow, you need to reflect about your chosen playstyle.
mage should be fast, it should be the fastest playstyle possible at the expense of survivability. if you're feeling slow when playing mage and you didn't do anything wrong, then the other playstyle will be slower than that.

spending elixir for mage is relatively normal, but that's for late round IW and grindfest.
on the other hand, spending elixirs on arena, moreover a lot of them, also a sign that you need reevaluate your playstyle.

--- and it seems you're questioning your playstyle right now, so let's start with some light assessment

Disregarding the quality of your equipment, you have no proficiency pieces, so I believe one of the factor to your slowness comes from monsters resisting your spell, moreover you don't have penetrator on your weapon and it's redwood which have no counter-resist.
if you're going to rebuild your equip and stay mage you need to consider those when doing that, proficiency factor (which contribute to counter resist) and counter resist from weapon (on highest difficulty monsters have extra resist chance which could shaft your damage by half or even 3/4)

if we're talking with the quality of your equipment in consideration... well, to be blunt, nowadays sometimes magnificent are considered insufficient for playing mage, and you're still using exquisite.
good thing is non charged/radiant prefix legendary cloth/phase are cheap now compared to 2015, so proviced you have the fund, you might be able to replace them for... idk a million or two?

the generic advice here usually grab some dirt cheap 1h-heavy equipment (~50k each) and play those to around mid 300 or 400 before switching back to mage. For 1h magnificent still acceptable, I found exquisite too to some degree.
but if you still wants to stay as mage, then you need to find why your income can't cover your repair cost first.
my main suspect is because you die, even once or two per days could be counted as a lot if you only play RE and arena, that's 20%(?) loss on equipment durability.
after that start building your warchest by playing mid-low difficulty in the mean time while changing your equipment one by one. you could try scrapping some freebies from wts thread too.

tldr;

either change to melee (preferably 1h-shield) to bridge your adventure for now before playing as mage again, or play on mid-low difficulty while patching your mage equipment here and there.
melee is relatively cheaper and slower but more reliable for your level, keep playing maging is riskier more expensive but offer possibility for faster clear time sooner. (all with their own terms and condition)
I believe you need to make a choice first before thinking about any further advice.
either way, goodluck.

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