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post Oct 6 2019, 21:52
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QUOTE(lestion @ Oct 6 2019, 14:21) *

Well, part of that is because we can offer those lower prices and still get the amount we want to buy. If sellers are not happy with those prices, they could refuse to sell, and then the price would trend back upwards to meet the demand.

But the short version of it is there's just way more EDs in supply than people are buying, because there's just not that many heavy grinders in HV. Simple.
And like i allready have often said, the market for ED was never that big, so there were allways more ED on it as people wanted to buy and still the price was stable at 100k for years. Until shortly after last eastern event, which is nothing but a temporary change every year, people should have been used to allready. And when numbers would actually matter for market prices, why did prices for lets say HGM never raise again? I mean during the time i did buy quite some of them, it wasnt as easy to get them as one would think it should, when there have to be that many to justify such a low price, but still afaik price never did raise again. Because numbers just dont matter for this market, it is just what people are used to pay. When they get used to a lower price, they refuse to pay a higher one. Or does anyone here actually check the numbers of a certain item and how many of them do shops actually have to offer to decide if a price is too low? No? See? Numbers dont matter too much in this market.
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post Oct 6 2019, 22:00
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Why infusion of storms is more expensive than other elemental infusions?
I'm 2H light niten and I'm thinking about using holy/dark infusions to increase clear speed for last tree arena levels, good/bad idea?
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post Oct 6 2019, 22:51
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QUOTE(Kradziej @ Oct 6 2019, 22:00) *

Why infusion of storms is more expensive than other elemental infusions?
Mostly because people are willing to pay more for them.
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I'm 2H light niten and I'm thinking about using holy/dark infusions to increase clear speed for last tree arena levels, good/bad idea?
Yeah, good idea, do that. SG are weak against dark/holy.
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post Oct 6 2019, 23:14
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Oct 6 2019, 21:52) *

Or does anyone here actually check the numbers of a certain item and how many of them do shops actually have to offer to decide if a price is too low?

if people did such a count, a certain shop would be long past closed at this point. looks like it isn't judging by the amount of stars its owner is growing...

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I'm 2H light niten and I'm thinking about using holy/dark infusions to increase clear speed for last tree arena levels, good/bad idea?

aye. also, infusions are very cheap, toss in one more rather than one less
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post Oct 6 2019, 23:15
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QUOTE(Kradziej @ Oct 6 2019, 14:00) *

Why infusion of storms is more expensive than other elemental infusions?
I'm 2H light niten and I'm thinking about using holy/dark infusions to increase clear speed for last tree arena levels, good/bad idea?

In case you think it's too slow.
Niten does everything wrong against schoolgirls even with dual holy + dark. Imperil + frenzied blows all the way is a lot faster. You can use a cheap slaughter rapier with bad stats.
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post Oct 6 2019, 23:20
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 6 2019, 23:14) *

if people did such a count, a certain shop would be long past closed at this point. looks like it isn't judging by the amount of stars its owner is growing...
Huh? I didnt got another star for a while now, they cost just so much these days. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Oct 7 2019, 00:11
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Oct 6 2019, 21:52) *

Or does anyone here actually check the numbers of a certain item and how many of them do shops actually have to offer to decide if a price is too low?

that's not how markets work. buyers look for the lowest price they can get, and if that gets bought out they move on to the next higher price; or sellers price their items below the current market if they can't sell off their surplus. the myth of the "informed customer" has nothing to do with it
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post Oct 7 2019, 00:16
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QUOTE(sickentide @ Oct 7 2019, 00:11) *

that's not how markets work. buyers look for the lowest price they can get, and if that gets bought out they move on to the next higher price; or sellers price their items below the current market if they can't sell off their surplus. the myth of the "informed customer" has nothing to do with it

That is how "this" market works. And not even that is absolutly true. I did see multiple times when people did buy something in other shops for a higher price while the same thing did just pille up in mine. And i didnt say anything about informed customer. But when people see too many times ED getting selled for much lower as 100k, they dont want themself to be the stupid one and refuse to pay 100k.
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post Oct 7 2019, 00:27
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Oct 6 2019, 23:15) *

In case you think it's too slow.
Niten does everything wrong against schoolgirls even with dual holy + dark. Imperil + frenzied blows all the way is a lot faster. You can use a cheap slaughter rapier with bad stats.


Its so stupid that only one playstyle is viable in this game, why bother creating all these fighting styles when people will use only one because its easier to grind with it

I will probably change to DW if I drop good rapier or smth, for now niten
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post Oct 7 2019, 00:28
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Oct 7 2019, 00:16) *

That is how "this" market works.

which is essentially a free market simulation (though bazaar prices provide some basic regulation) with gameplay being its simulated labour
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post Oct 7 2019, 01:15
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Nationality matters as well. Some chinese feel comfortable when having business with another chinese.
Need chinese to confirm this. Xiangchiangqiang.
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post Oct 7 2019, 01:23
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QUOTE(sickentide @ Oct 7 2019, 00:28) *

which is essentially a free market simulation (though bazaar prices provide some basic regulation) with gameplay being its simulated labour
I disagree. In a real free market prices would actually increase because of certain conditions. Cant remember that actually ever happend to most items of the game. After a price did decrease once, it usually stays that way until it decrease again.
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Nationality matters as well. Some chinese feel comfortable when having business with another chinese.
Need chinese to confirm this. Xiangchiangqiang.
Well, i am not sure if nationality really matters, but chinese sure as sure like to order their stuff in chinese. And for some weird reason they even believe sometimes i could understand them. But i dont understand why, i never said i could chinese, not even as a boasting to get in someones panties.
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post Oct 7 2019, 01:45
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deflation happens in the real market too, conditions here just favour it more strongly than the real world right now
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post Oct 7 2019, 02:03
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The conditions are even so much in favour of deflation i cant see any inflation ever actually happen here. Or when it would, only shortly before the whole market would just completly collapse.
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post Oct 7 2019, 11:38
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Oct 21 2018, 20:15) *
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Oops now I see, there's 4 pictured runs here, not two. Checking the 2018 calendar it appears you infused your rapier according to the Day of the Week but I don't remember if we took that into account when choosing which of your results to compare.

Haste run on Sunday (Holy Boost): Dark rapier infused with Holy 2:24:50
Haste run on Monday (Dark Boost): Dark rapier infused with Elec 2:30:11

No Haste on Thursday (Wind Boost): Dark rapier infused with Wind 2:36:56
No Haste on Friday (Void/All Boost): Dark rapier infused with Elec 2:33:38

All 4 results are very consistent, all differences can be explained with your element choices. Because all runs used Cold Shield, we can approximate that your Wind is normally as good as Holy/Dark while your Elec runs are not as good.

We also didn't used to know back then about Void day, that's the fastest day in general by far, so we should not use that result to compare with others. In that case the only fair runs to compare are your Sunday vs Thursday, which is what I had originally chosen to accept and calculate with, maybe by luck.

Therefore your 2:36:56/2:24:50 = 8.36% faster with Haste result, is perhaps still not favoring Haste enough. Because Wind + Cold Shield might be slightly better than Holy + Cold Shield. The test is good enough though.
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post Oct 9 2019, 05:46
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(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Hey, why would a magnificent grade equipment have more battles in the IW than a Legendary grade one?

What I mean is that my magnificent arcanist-type equipment, everyone has 100 battles in the IW, but the legendary weapons I have the most they reach is 94?

I know that the battles are calculated according to the stats of the equipment, but I think that the degree of the equpment should also influence something. This is where I remember that Uncle STU, mention messages further back, that before the IW had more battles, I suppose it was due to the degree of equipment is not it?

If so, was it better, or are we better as we are currently with the maximum of 100 battles?

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post Oct 9 2019, 05:58
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QUOTE(Arkoniusx @ Oct 9 2019, 05:46) *

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Hey, why would a magnificent grade equipment have more battles in the IW than a Legendary grade one?

What I mean is that my magnificent arcanist-type equipment, everyone has 100 battles in the IW, but the legendary weapons I have the most they reach is 94?
Afaik shade has usually in general more rounds as other equipment.
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I know that the battles are calculated according to the stats of the equipment, but I think that the degree of the equpment should also influence something. This is where I remember that Uncle STU, mention messages further back, that before the IW had more battles, I suppose it was due to the degree of equipment is not it?

If so, was it better, or are we better as we are currently with the maximum of 100 battles?
The degree? Do you mean the tier? And iirc i did say more rounds, not battles. Actually i am not even sure about the number of battles you had to do back these days. And sure as sure we are better with the new ssystem we have now. I dont remember anyone who did miss the old system.
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post Oct 9 2019, 11:04
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iirc rounds are calculated according to PXP0, and high-tier shades (especially if arcanist) tend to have higher PXP0 than low-tier legendaries. or something like that. you just hit that small grey area in which the two things overlap.
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post Oct 9 2019, 11:18
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You reminds me of an IW request I had. The last potency of that peerless savage arcanist was over 9k exp. I did 5*100 rounds to get from IW9 to IW10...
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post Oct 9 2019, 20:46
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I have a question, I have all these Legendary weapons and these 3 magnificent, I would like to know what combination would be used for the Dual wielding fighting style, and also which of those weapons would be more useful for the one-handed fighting style.

What happens is that now I share the same weapon in those 2 fighting styles, and I don't want to be constantly repairing the same rapier for overuse, because in fact I only use the one-hand fighting style for IW and the randoms encounters:

Legendary Ethereal Club of the Illithid

Legendary Demonic Shortsword of Balance

Legendary Tempestuous Shortsword of Switfness

Legendary Ethereal Wakizashi of Balance

Magnificent Shocking Axe of Slaughter

Magnificent Artic Club of the Vampire

Magnificent Hallowed Rapier of Slaughter

*I clarify that I can Soulfuse with any of these weapons, because I have enough Soulfragments to do it.

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