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Because some people did ignore what easter event actually means and because the same people decide because of the temperal higher ED on the market and lower demand had to mean that prices should fall. So together with other people they did offer ED in WTS for much cheaper as 100k each. And after a while artifact prices did react to that also did also fall. And now even when i am sure as sure, that ED demand and ED on the market has stabilized again to justify the old price of 100k again, people got used to those low prices and refuse to pay the old price and this is the whole story.

As if that were not enough, the e-hentaipocalysis came to reinforce that rare reasoning, I do not know why prices do not stabilize, when it is still the most difficult to obtain, since you cannot obtain them by any other route than using the shrine with an Percusor Artifact.

And if we see that obtaining percusor artifacts is also very rare, and you have to spend a significant amount of credits to improve your luck to obtain them, and still nothing assures you that you will get enrgy drinks every time you offer them in the shrine, I cannot understand why prices do not rise, because we are not already in any kind of crisis, and we are not close to any event yet. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Because some people did ignore what easter event actually means and because the same people decide because of the temperal higher ED on the market and lower demand had to mean that prices should fall. So together with other people they did offer ED in WTS for much cheaper as 100k each. And after a while artifact prices did react to that also did also fall. And now even when i am sure as sure, that ED demand and ED on the market has stabilized again to justify the old price of 100k again, people got used to those low prices and refuse to pay the old price and this is the whole story.

Well, part of that is because we can offer those lower prices and still get the amount we want to buy. If sellers are not happy with those prices, they could refuse to sell, and then the price would trend back upwards to meet the demand.

But the short version of it is there's just way more EDs in supply than people are buying, because there's just not that many heavy grinders in HV. Simple.

As if that were not enough, the e-hentaipocalysis came to reinforce that rare reasoning, I do not know why prices do not stabilize, when it is still the most difficult to obtain, since you cannot obtain them by any other route than using the shrine with an Percusor Artifact.

And if we see that obtaining percusor artifacts is also very rare, and you have to spend a significant amount of credits to improve your luck to obtain them, and still nothing assures you that you will get enrgy drinks every time you offer them in the shrine, I cannot understand why prices do not rise, because we are not already in any kind of crisis, and we are not close to any event yet. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

The average return on PAs from play is ~85% (this data available here - how to interpret? 8.55 PAs average per grindfest over 10k runs, 20% ED rate from PAs, 2 EDs per run = a "cost" of 10 PAs per run).

Completely discounting natural stamina regen, this means if you were to buy 100 energy drinks, you'd actually be able to use around 650 EDs before you're completely out! Because of stamina regen and PAs from REs which cost no stamina (and probably RoB too...) someone who does only a few grindfests a day can easily be self-sustaining with their ED usage.

In fact, it would probably not be difficult to calculate the amount of fests you would need to do per day to outpace your natural stamina's PA income, and I would imagine you'd find it to be higher than 5... so only very heavy grinders are going to be hitting those numbers, or people who buy EDs constantly and sell the PAs...

Edited for correct number on the ED returns...

This post has been edited by lestion: Oct 6 2019, 14:40

Well, part of that is because we can offer those lower prices and still get the amount we want to buy. If sellers are not happy with those prices, they could refuse to sell, and then the price would trend back upwards to meet the demand.

But the short version of it is there's just way more EDs in supply than people are buying, because there's just not that many heavy grinders in HV. Simple.

And like i allready have often said, the market for ED was never that big, so there were allways more ED on it as people wanted to buy and still the price was stable at 100k for years. Until shortly after last eastern event, which is nothing but a temporary change every year, people should have been used to allready. And when numbers would actually matter for market prices, why did prices for lets say HGM never raise again? I mean during the time i did buy quite some of them, it wasnt as easy to get them as one would think it should, when there have to be that many to justify such a low price, but still afaik price never did raise again. Because numbers just dont matter for this market, it is just what people are used to pay. When they get used to a lower price, they refuse to pay a higher one. Or does anyone here actually check the numbers of a certain item and how many of them do shops actually have to offer to decide if a price is too low? No? See? Numbers dont matter too much in this market.

Why infusion of storms is more expensive than other elemental infusions?
I'm 2H light niten and I'm thinking about using holy/dark infusions to increase clear speed for last tree arena levels, good/bad idea?

Why infusion of storms is more expensive than other elemental infusions?

Mostly because people are willing to pay more for them.

I'm 2H light niten and I'm thinking about using holy/dark infusions to increase clear speed for last tree arena levels, good/bad idea?

Yeah, good idea, do that. SG are weak against dark/holy.

Or does anyone here actually check the numbers of a certain item and how many of them do shops actually have to offer to decide if a price is too low?

if people did such a count, a certain shop would be long past closed at this point. looks like it isn't judging by the amount of stars its owner is growing...

I'm 2H light niten and I'm thinking about using holy/dark infusions to increase clear speed for last tree arena levels, good/bad idea?

aye. also, infusions are very cheap, toss in one more rather than one less

Why infusion of storms is more expensive than other elemental infusions?
I'm 2H light niten and I'm thinking about using holy/dark infusions to increase clear speed for last tree arena levels, good/bad idea?

In case you think it's too slow.
Niten does everything wrong against schoolgirls even with dual holy + dark. Imperil + frenzied blows all the way is a lot faster. You can use a cheap slaughter rapier with bad stats.

if people did such a count, a certain shop would be long past closed at this point. looks like it isn't judging by the amount of stars its owner is growing...

Huh? I didnt got another star for a while now, they cost just so much these days. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Or does anyone here actually check the numbers of a certain item and how many of them do shops actually have to offer to decide if a price is too low?

that's not how markets work. buyers look for the lowest price they can get, and if that gets bought out they move on to the next higher price; or sellers price their items below the current market if they can't sell off their surplus. the myth of the "informed customer" has nothing to do with it

that's not how markets work. buyers look for the lowest price they can get, and if that gets bought out they move on to the next higher price; or sellers price their items below the current market if they can't sell off their surplus. the myth of the "informed customer" has nothing to do with it

That is how "this" market works. And not even that is absolutly true. I did see multiple times when people did buy something in other shops for a higher price while the same thing did just pille up in mine. And i didnt say anything about informed customer. But when people see too many times ED getting selled for much lower as 100k, they dont want themself to be the stupid one and refuse to pay 100k.

In case you think it's too slow.
Niten does everything wrong against schoolgirls even with dual holy + dark. Imperil + frenzied blows all the way is a lot faster. You can use a cheap slaughter rapier with bad stats.

Its so stupid that only one playstyle is viable in this game, why bother creating all these fighting styles when people will use only one because its easier to grind with it

I will probably change to DW if I drop good rapier or smth, for now niten

That is how "this" market works.

which is essentially a free market simulation (though bazaar prices provide some basic regulation) with gameplay being its simulated labour

Nationality matters as well. Some chinese feel comfortable when having business with another chinese.
Need chinese to confirm this. Xiangchiangqiang.

which is essentially a free market simulation (though bazaar prices provide some basic regulation) with gameplay being its simulated labour

I disagree. In a real free market prices would actually increase because of certain conditions. Cant remember that actually ever happend to most items of the game. After a price did decrease once, it usually stays that way until it decrease again.

Nationality matters as well. Some chinese feel comfortable when having business with another chinese.
Need chinese to confirm this. Xiangchiangqiang.

Well, i am not sure if nationality really matters, but chinese sure as sure like to order their stuff in chinese. And for some weird reason they even believe sometimes i could understand them. But i dont understand why, i never said i could chinese, not even as a boasting to get in someones panties.

deflation happens in the real market too, conditions here just favour it more strongly than the real world right now

The conditions are even so much in favour of deflation i cant see any inflation ever actually happen here. Or when it would, only shortly before the whole market would just completly collapse.

with haste :



without haste :

Oops now I see, there's 4 pictured runs here, not two. Checking the 2018 calendar it appears you infused your rapier according to the Day of the Week but I don't remember if we took that into account when choosing which of your results to compare.

Haste run on Sunday (Holy Boost): Dark rapier infused with Holy 2:24:50
Haste run on Monday (Dark Boost): Dark rapier infused with Elec 2:30:11

No Haste on Thursday (Wind Boost): Dark rapier infused with Wind 2:36:56
No Haste on Friday (Void/All Boost): Dark rapier infused with Elec 2:33:38

All 4 results are very consistent, all differences can be explained with your element choices. Because all runs used Cold Shield, we can approximate that your Wind is normally as good as Holy/Dark while your Elec runs are not as good.

We also didn't used to know back then about Void day, that's the fastest day in general by far, so we should not use that result to compare with others. In that case the only fair runs to compare are your Sunday vs Thursday, which is what I had originally chosen to accept and calculate with, maybe by luck.

Therefore your 2:36:56/2:24:50 = 8.36% faster with Haste result, is perhaps still not favoring Haste enough. Because Wind + Cold Shield might be slightly better than Holy + Cold Shield. The test is good enough though.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Hey, why would a magnificent grade equipment have more battles in the IW than a Legendary grade one?

What I mean is that my magnificent arcanist-type equipment, everyone has 100 battles in the IW, but the legendary weapons I have the most they reach is 94?

I know that the battles are calculated according to the stats of the equipment, but I think that the degree of the equpment should also influence something. This is where I remember that Uncle STU, mention messages further back, that before the IW had more battles, I suppose it was due to the degree of equipment is not it?

If so, was it better, or are we better as we are currently with the maximum of 100 battles?

This post has been edited by Arkoniusx: Oct 9 2019, 05:48

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Hey, why would a magnificent grade equipment have more battles in the IW than a Legendary grade one?

What I mean is that my magnificent arcanist-type equipment, everyone has 100 battles in the IW, but the legendary weapons I have the most they reach is 94?

Afaik shade has usually in general more rounds as other equipment.

I know that the battles are calculated according to the stats of the equipment, but I think that the degree of the equpment should also influence something. This is where I remember that Uncle STU, mention messages further back, that before the IW had more battles, I suppose it was due to the degree of equipment is not it?

If so, was it better, or are we better as we are currently with the maximum of 100 battles?

The degree? Do you mean the tier? And iirc i did say more rounds, not battles. Actually i am not even sure about the number of battles you had to do back these days. And sure as sure we are better with the new ssystem we have now. I dont remember anyone who did miss the old system.

iirc rounds are calculated according to PXP0, and high-tier shades (especially if arcanist) tend to have higher PXP0 than low-tier legendaries. or something like that. you just hit that small grey area in which the two things overlap.