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post Sep 17 2019, 13:54
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QUOTE(-vincento- @ Sep 17 2019, 13:31) *
Even without charged, most imperil mages should be able to clear PFDfest with around 35 forging on phase, but that will be very very miserable experience.
Define miserable experience. Would you need three hours to clear it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

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post Sep 17 2019, 14:01
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Sep 17 2019, 18:54) *

Define miserable experience. Would you need three hours to clear it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


it's actually painful, unlike your usual bearable boredom fest.
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post Sep 17 2019, 14:20
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Sep 17 2019, 19:35) *

just the staff EDB/MDB/prof, and cloth proficiency for me.
the other, I just upgrade anything that I happen to have the material for, obviously I don't have that many phazon laying around, so nothing on the phase
barring IW for jug5, as far as I remember I left my phase untouched until around 450-460
even if I did forge them it won't be more than 5.
as far as I remember, the only time I need elixir at that time was the non SG 2nd-page arena, for SG arena no elixir needed... even then that's just one health elixir per arena or something on late round.
oh and that was non-imperil play too.

When I switched to dark mage at Lv373, I needed health elixirs and mana elixirs. Spirit elixirs were rarely needed.
I had 50 forging on the mains stats of staff, 4 spellweavers on staff, charged cotton gloves and shoes. Mages' survivability heavily depends on levels, which is more primary attributes in terms of evades, parry, mitigations, so I'm not sure if your experience fully applies to his situation.
Any the actual play is totally empirical, so our situation is just for reference.

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Sep 17 2019, 19:54) *

Define miserable experience. Would you need three hours to clear it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

You need to stop at every single imperil after maybe round 600? because monsterbation won't allow you to stop at imperil. It's highly possible that your action of last imperil triggers spark of light, then your next imperil makes you die.
You need at least 10 health, spirit, last elixirs each. You ppl need to continuously use scroll of life after round 600 to avoid lose in spirit. At the end, it will not worth doing it.

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post Sep 17 2019, 14:37
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Sep 17 2019, 19:17) *

with enough level you could do PF arena with no-charged and no forging on your phase equip at all.

but if you still wants to know I got 24.4% and could do IW grindfest easily


Thanks for helping, I just forgot that cloth prof helps to increase cast speed. And the number you show makes me more confident.

QUOTE(-vincento- @ Sep 17 2019, 19:31) *

Dark spells have naturally lower basic casting speed compared to elementals, but higher damage and counter-resist. Get used it. Or go get more charged, and more forging.



Now I have to say that dark mage is not so easy to begin with. I will get used to it, thanks again.
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post Sep 18 2019, 04:45
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How exactly does double strike work for weapons with IW 10? I have ethereal katana with void + wind strike, but the battle log only contains "You hit ... for ... void damage.".

Does the elemental strike impact the damage at all?

Also, what do infusions do to such a weapon when used before the battle or during the battle? Does consuming them in battle increase the elemental damage part, if it even exists?
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post Sep 18 2019, 05:22
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QUOTE(Liexxio @ Sep 18 2019, 09:45) *

How exactly does double strike work for weapons with IW 10? I have ethereal katana with void + wind strike, but the battle log only contains "You hit ... for ... void damage.".


after that log there should be something like "wind strike hits xxx for xxx wind damage"
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QUOTE(Liexxio @ Sep 18 2019, 09:45) *
Does the elemental strike impact the damage at all?

it is as it is, an extra strike
QUOTE(Liexxio @ Sep 18 2019, 09:45) *
Also, what do infusions do to such a weapon when used before the battle or during the battle? Does consuming them in battle increase the elemental damage part, if it even exists?

infusion used by enchant option add extra elemental strike, up to 2 elemental strike other than void, so if you have ethereal weapon you could add 2 more, if you IW your ethereal weapon to 10 (have 1 more innate elemental strike) then you could add another one.
you could enchant as much as possible but the enchantment that have effect would only those that explicitly visible on the strike listing.

if used on battle it increase magic damage, so if you play melee it's pretty useless.

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post Sep 18 2019, 06:04
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Thanks, now I see where it was in the battle log. I guess it's worth it to use infusions hard battles like item world, I'll try them out.

Are there some more or less current statistics with average resistances for different elements across monsters? I heard holy damage is best, but I don't really know the distribution to base my decision on solid stats.

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post Sep 18 2019, 08:00
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Sep 17 2019, 13:44) *

it's arkon and his delusion again.


Ok, im back, I have not yet bought if the weapon does more damage or not, however now I want to improve this weapon at level 10 of the IW urgently, because what if I can do this weapon and it is making it very easy for me to go faster in the battles, I can be continuously using imperil, no matter how many times I fail it, since this weapon recovers the MP very quickly, and that for someone who has almost a complete set of arcanist armor, it is great .

So I already fell in love with the Illithid prefix, and I would like a good Legendary Rapier of the same prefix for my one-handed fighting style too, it would make it easier for me to use imperil in that style.
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post Sep 18 2019, 08:45
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QUOTE(Arkoniusx @ Sep 18 2019, 02:00) *

Ok, im back, I have not yet bought if the weapon does more damage or not, however now I want to improve this weapon at level 10 of the IW urgently, because what if I can do this weapon and it is making it very easy for me to go faster in the battles, I can be continuously using imperil, no matter how many times I fail it, since this weapon recovers the MP very quickly, and that for someone who has almost a complete set of arcanist armor, it is great .

So I already fell in love with the Illithid prefix, and I would like a good Legendary Rapier of the same prefix for my one-handed fighting style too, it would make it easier for me to use imperil in that style.


I mean, that's only if you refuse to use items. As melee you aren't going through a gazillion mana potions/draughts so illithid is kinda useless. That's my opinion anyway.

And battlecaster would be better for imperil style anyway, due to the higher magic hit chance.

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post Sep 18 2019, 09:39
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ Sep 18 2019, 09:45) *

I mean, that's only if you refuse to use items. As melee you aren't going through a gazillion mana potions/draughts so illithid is kinda useless. That's my opinion anyway.

And battlecaster would be better for imperil style anyway, due to the higher magic hit chance.


*Fun fact, I only use Mana drought, Health droughts and very occasionally spirit droughts, to finish all the challenges of the arena I make. Everything else I am saving for when I open a store.

Not necessarily, as I already mentioned, I have a set of equipment by Shade Arcanista, one of the pieces which is in fact legendary, so I already have enough Magic accuaracy at the moment, but since I have never seen in my 7 months of playing this, a Legendary weapon with the suffix Battlecaster, if someone wants to show me their stats for comparison, it would help me a lot.

By the way, I now consider the suffix Banshee the most useless of all suffixes, at least for me it is, since I spend almost nothing on Spiritu because he can be constantly using Imperil, moreover, so what the hell would serve him the other fighting styles? the only one that I think would benefit would be the one-handed fighting style, and that because I can be with the spirit activated for quite some time, but you would sacrifice quite a few other benefits in comparison.

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post Sep 18 2019, 09:43
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One does not simply have "enough" magical accuracy if it's not 200% or above. And I'm pretty sure you don't even have 150%.
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post Sep 18 2019, 09:52
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NO, I do not have them, but as I mentioned above I can be continuously using Imperil EVEN IF I FAIL, I never said that I will hit 100% of the attacks that I do whit Imperl, I said that thanks to the absorption of MP, I never stay empty, adding the fact that I use spells to suport and deprecating continuously.
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post Sep 18 2019, 10:22
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Ain't a hard feat, really. It's possible to cast 3-5 Imperil per round with a full power set, a force shield, a Slaughter weapon, without having the mana draught buff on 100% of the time.
In other words, with a setup that is much more unforgiving mana-wise than yours.

IMHO, you should rather focus on adjusting your gameplay so that Imperil fails less in the first place. You're basically replacing a flaw with another, which is no good.

Don't count on selling mana potions and elixirs to become rich BTW.
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post Sep 18 2019, 11:32
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QUOTE(Arkoniusx @ Sep 18 2019, 08:00) *

So I already fell in love with the Illithid prefix, and I would like a good Legendary Rapier of the same prefix for my one-handed fighting style too, it would make it easier for me to use imperil in that style.

Falling in love can be dangerous. Love has brought wise men to their knees (falling in love is so hard on the knees) crying "what is love? Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me no more!". Love hurts, dude!

Don't get blinded by love. If you want to optimize your play style, illithid is not the suffix you are looking for.
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post Sep 18 2019, 11:54
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Don't count on selling mana potions and elixirs to become rich BTW.


I know this, but why should I spend on something that the truth should not be using? I mean, to be continually using that kind of thing would generate an unnecessary expense.

And once again I remind you that I do not buy my weapons, I get them either from the shrine, or from drops, and I do not intend to change my style and stay poor as several that are only below my level for only 30 levels. Once I have enough credits, I will waste on weapons worth millions, meanwhile not.

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post Sep 18 2019, 12:43
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Suit yourself, we're not going to judge you for your choices. If that's how you want things to be, then be it. At least you have been warned thoroughly.
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post Sep 19 2019, 01:03
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post Sep 19 2019, 01:50
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Sep 19 2019, 01:03) *

arkon arguing with decon?
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post Sep 19 2019, 03:16
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QUOTE(Arkoniusx @ Sep 18 2019, 09:39) *

*Fun fact, I only use Mana drought, Health droughts and very occasionally spirit droughts, to finish all the challenges of the arena I make. Everything else I am saving for when I open a store.

Not necessarily, as I already mentioned, I have a set of equipment by Shade Arcanista, one of the pieces which is in fact legendary, so I already have enough Magic accuaracy at the moment, but since I have never seen in my 7 months of playing this, a Legendary weapon with the suffix Battlecaster, if someone wants to show me their stats for comparison, it would help me a lot.

By the way, I now consider the suffix Banshee the most useless of all suffixes, at least for me it is, since I spend almost nothing on Spiritu because he can be constantly using Imperil, moreover, so what the hell would serve him the other fighting styles? the only one that I think would benefit would be the one-handed fighting style, and that because I can be with the spirit activated for quite some time, but you would sacrifice quite a few other benefits in comparison.


You can use my, still in making, spreadsheet to "simulate" weapons, you know. It's somewhere in the scripts section.

Still, a 0% Legendary unforged 1H weapon of the Battlecaster will net you 7.7% (roughly) magic accuracy, while if 2 handed, around 13%.

Still, why do people use Arcanist gears? I'm curious as to why would they sacrifice their Evade and Crit chances in getting an Arcanist set instead of a Shadowdancer.

What is there to cast offensively without EDB? Are deprecating spells (save Imperil and defensive ones, like Silence and Sleep) good enough to help you with the killing? Is Draining, for example, something to consider?

PS: I'm asking the rest, because your case is a special one, as you use Arcanist to cut costs in pots and draughts (and I guess you're not the type to use enchants).

PSS: btw, Arkonius, what are your PFUDOR DwD clearing times? (in time and in turn number) Just curious.
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post Sep 19 2019, 06:24
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Sep 19 2019, 02:03) *

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Sure they stayed waiting for the discussion to continue, but I wasn't going to be able to continue it anyway, I had to go shopping, and I wasn't home all day.

Wow, and I thought that fudomasamune was more serious, I was even starting to be afraid of him, how good it is not, I like him quite well, although he is always correcting me.

I have a much better weapon out there that I am improving to level 10 of the IW, it is a damn pity that this weapon is not winning overpower for my fighting style, the only good thing is that it has a good parry.
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