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Yeah, I'm playing on Nintendo. IWBTH is doable and still safe, but agonizingly slow so I only use it for REs. PFUDOR is absolutely not happening, I can't keep things stunlocked enough to make it through the spirit attacks. I've been wondering if a playstyle switch is what I need to push into higher difficulties.

Thanks for the insight.

For those who like to be talking about how wonderful it is to play with the one-handed fighting style, they will always be telling you how easy it is to survive in high difficulties and all that, but if you come as I do to play the fighting style of 2-handed weapons, the best thing you could do before you level up and the monsters start to tear you apart because they are going to attack you with spiritual attacks, it would be to start using the Dual welding fighting style, since it is very similar in a certain fighting style you are currently using.

But the truth, before I made other recommendations, you should mention to me what equipment you have at this time, available, I did not see that anyone of whom I recommend the style of one-handed Fight considered the following:

Do you have soul fragments available? Because the moment you change your fighting style, or you create another person, or reset your skills to be able to have the benefits of that fighting style's abilities.

Do you own heavy power equipment? For whatever they say, you will need even an exquisite degree of such equipment to survive the spiritual attacks that monsters make on the Pfudor difficulty.

And finally there is the detail of the shield, a good shield does not come cheap, and much less improve it, there is also the detail that heavy-duty equipment is more expensive to improve than light equipment.

If you answer YES, to the vast majority of those things, I don't see the reason that you don't believe another person and start using the one-handed fighting style, only that I clarify that it will be very slow in great difficulties, since that it is very possible that you do not have the necessary points of proficiency and skills to be able to have a remarkable attack and move faster, and also, you will continually have to be healing, since if you get to pass a spiritual attack by carelessness you will be defeated.

This post has been edited by Arkoniusx: Sep 12 2019, 09:32

Hi there.
Not really a hardcore player, but i sometimes have strikes of playing for longer periods of time. Currently running 1H melee, and cant help but wonder how much would a mage built which would be able to beat DWD cost me ?
edit: meant on pfudor diff

This post has been edited by kukrak: Sep 12 2019, 15:31

Me too, I play for stretches then do other things for stretches. I'm currently on my second hiatus from this game. At our higher level I believe it's better to skip dawns and random encounters while not playing actively. You don't want to level up from only dawns and random encounters. Although it won't be too bad, you will get poor, and won't get as many low level good drops as you should.

Do you have soul fragments available? Because the moment you change your fighting style, or you create another person, or reset your skills to be able to have the benefits of that fighting style's abilities.

It's worth mentioning that when I dropped niten for 1h, I just bought bazaar trash, and was able to PFUDOR all the arena's, one hand is just that easy. Better equipment just makes it easier/safer/faster

Do you own heavy power equipment? For whatever they say, you will need even an exquisite degree of such equipment to survive the spiritual attacks that monsters make on the Pfudor difficulty.

If it's surviving spiritual attacks, I don't see what power has to do with it? I'm pretty much a complete newb when it comes to the numbers (and the game) so do correct me if I am wrong, but power is to kill monsters quicker, and if surviving spirit attacks, then plate actually has more pmit & mmit if I remember correctly. Though, there is the argument that if you kill them quicker then you receive less of those spirit attacks, so it can go both ways.

I haven't done the DwD in non-power yet as I managed to get some before I reached that level, but I'm fairly sure I've done all the other arenas without power, but that's going off memory so I could be wrong.

Since cost was mentioned, my full power set cost me less than 750,000 from Decondelite's auction, which isn't an unreachable amount to gather.

This post has been edited by Ubershank: Sep 12 2019, 17:19

It's worth mentioning that when I dropped niten for 1h, I just bought bazaar trash, and was able to PFUDOR all the arena's, one hand is just that easy. Better equipment just makes it easier/safer/faster
If it's surviving spiritual attacks, I don't see what power has to do with it? I'm pretty much a complete newb when it comes to the numbers (and the game) so do correct me if I am wrong, but power is to kill monsters quicker, and if surviving spirit attacks, then plate actually has more pmit & mmit if I remember correctly. Though, there is the argument that if you kill them quicker then you receive less of those spirit attacks, so it can go both ways.

It's what you say, Ubershank.

Still, people forget that Weaken exists for something. It has helped me survive PFUDOR DwD since level 310ish.

It's what you say, Ubershank.

Still, people forget that Weaken exists for something. It has helped me survive PFUDOR DwD since level 310ish.

Speaking of people that have forgot... I've not used weaken yet lol. I got to about 350 without using any spells, except from cure and regen and IA spells. Recently I started using imperil, which has reduced my speed clear time edit (I can't English today apparently) on PFUDOR DwD quite a bit, along with orbital friendship cannon, which is also fairly new to me. I might have a go at using weaken on bosses and see how it goes. I have ocasionally used silenec, when I do a RE if putting on regen gives me channeling, I just cast it as a freebie, fully upgraded it reduces spirit attacks of 3 monsters while waiting for spirit/ofc to charge.

@ptooey I forgot to mention, regardless of what style you go for, I highly recommend getting at least two levels of innate arcana, for spark of life and spirit shield. A third for protection is also a massive boon. For one handed that's probably all you need, though further levels decrease mana consumption even if you don't slot anything into it.

As for difficulty, there isn't really that much rush to PFUDOR DwD, except for getting the skill. IWBTH isn't that far off on rewards and is quicker and easier.

This post has been edited by Ubershank: Sep 12 2019, 19:50

Hi there.
Not really a hardcore player, but i sometimes have strikes of playing for longer periods of time. Currently running 1H melee, and cant help but wonder how much would a mage built which would be able to beat DWD cost me ?
edit: meant on pfudor diff

PFUDOR DWD, huh? Well, that isn't the hardest task to achieve. If you want all-round fastness and IW 100 and stuff like that, that's a different story. Reason is that the Schoolgirls die last and don't hit that hard, so you start every round with full health.

So I'd say that would take you about 10m-20m or so.

Against schoolgirls, you need to use imperil. Dark and Holy are fastest against schoolgirls. But elements will work as well. Of course, if you want to play holy, I doubt that 10m is enough. I started as Cold Mage (cool mage) but everything works. Except Even fire, that's dead cheap because nobody wants it, but in practice it's almost as good as Cold.

And it takes time. You need to build up your proficiency. So it's not like 'buy gear -> do PFUDOR DWD'

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Sep 12 2019, 18:56

but everything works. Except fire, that's dead cheap because nobody wants it, but in practice it's almost as good as Cold.

Ehm what? Mind to reword that part? I mean you are telling him that every element works, followed up by except fire, followed by that it still works with fire and fire is even the cheapest way to go. I assume that could actually confuse him a bit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I am now preparing for 20x Dance with dragon.
Now looking for a rapier that worth soulbound.
But I still don't know what worth that and I could spend my credits to buy.
I know what is good like L rapier of slaughter with ADB>90% and SDE, but that kind is too expensive for me, or lvl is far higher than bounding lvl.
So could anyone tell me what is acceptable to buy and soulbound?
All replies are appreciated!

First a rapier is afaik allways SDA, so no need for checking that. Having good PAB on a rapier is good, but not really a must have, damage and parry are more important, if you actually want to look for another stat i would suggest crit chance. And at your level i did just use a decent Mag myself, or is the market allready that flooded with Leg rapier that this is no longer even a decent option. And sure as sure you dont need a Leg >90% rapier right from the start. I mean what rapier/weapon do you use right now?

I am now preparing for 20x Dance with dragon.
Now looking for a rapier that worth soulbound.
But I still don't know what worth that and I could spend my credits to buy.
I know what is good like L rapier of slaughter with ADB>90% and SDE, but that kind is too expensive for me, or lvl is far higher than bounding lvl.
So could anyone tell me what is acceptable to buy and soulbound?
All replies are appreciated!

at your level, a 0-10% rapier of slaughter would already be great. Magnificent rapier of slaughter would also work. And of course, decondelite has shown that if you play imperil-style 1h, shortsword is even better.

So take what you can get, a legendary slaughter is almost always worth soulfuse.

First a rapier is afaik allways SDA, so no need for checking that. Having good PAB on a rapier is good, but not really a must have, damage and parry are more important, if you actually want to look for another stat i would suggest crit chance. And at your level i did just use a decent Mag myself, or is the market allready that flooded with Leg rapier that this is no longer even a decent option. And sure as sure you dont need a Leg >90% rapier right from the start. I mean what rapier/weapon do you use right now?

The waki you did IW on

PFUDOR DWD, huh? Well, that isn't the hardest task to achieve. If you want all-round fastness and IW 100 and stuff like that, that's a different story. Reason is that the Schoolgirls die last and don't hit that hard, so you start every round with full health.

So I'd say that would take you about 10m-20m or so.

Against schoolgirls, you need to use imperil. Dark and Holy are fastest against schoolgirls. But elements will work as well. Of course, if you want to play holy, I doubt that 10m is enough. I started as Cold Mage (cool mage) but everything works. Except Even fire, that's dead cheap because nobody wants it, but in practice it's almost as good as Cold.

And it takes time. You need to build up your proficiency. So it's not like 'buy gear -> do PFUDOR DWD'

I had no specific element in mind, just in general if its within my budget. Now i see hell naw its not (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif). at least not at the pace i am playing as of now. Still havent figured whether i want to commit into 1h with iw and upgrades and stuff, or not.

I am now preparing for 20x Dance with dragon.
Now looking for a rapier that worth soulbound.
But I still don't know what worth that and I could spend my credits to buy.
I know what is good like L rapier of slaughter with ADB>90% and SDE, but that kind is too expensive for me, or lvl is far higher than bounding lvl.
So could anyone tell me what is acceptable to buy and soulbound?
All replies are appreciated!

My lv is not high as your,and I'm a newbie too, but this is my current set:
[202409529] Magnificent Hallowed Rapier of Slaughter
[198708019] Legendary Amber Force Shield of Warding
I have been search for a good rapier too, and go through all source possible (WTS, WTB, Legendary Thread, Price Check, Discord). This is best two Magnificent Rapier in sale right now :
Magnificent Fiery Rapier of Slaughter in decondelite's aution.
Magnificent Shocking Rapier of Slaughter in pooaa's shop (you could ask him the price).
I suggest you to IW and forge a good Mag Rapier to lv5 to reach the Legendary range.
as for Shield, you could go for SDA or SEA for the next best.
Thank you very much for read my rant!

This post has been edited by acnx365: Sep 12 2019, 20:03

My lv is not high as your,and I'm a newbie too, but this is my current set:
[202409529] Magnificent Hallowed Rapier of Slaughter
[198708019] Legendary Amber Force Shield of Warding
I have been search for a good rapier too, and go through all source possible (WTS, WTB, Legendary Thread, Price Check, Discord). This is best two Magnificent Rapier in sale right now :
Magnificent Fiery Rapier of Slaughter in decondelite's aution.
Magnificent Shocking Rapier of Slaughter in pooaa's shop (you could ask him the price).
I suggest you to IW and forge a good Mag Rapier to lv5 to reach the Legendary range.
as for Shield, you could go for SDA or SEA for the next best.
Thank you very much for read my rant!

I will say [One01] Legendary Demonic Rapier of Slaughter (252, ADB 70%) (seller: ljh235689) VINO40375 1.1m #57 in super's auction is the best available. But I dong't have 1M (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif).
Actually I don't worry about my defense. Currently I have:
66.5 % physical mitigation
67.3 % magical mitigation
53.5 % block chance
39.7 % parry chance
10.8 % resist chance
They are enough for me to play with 20x school girls. I think that will be fine with dragons as well.
By using monsterbation, I am OK with imperil as hotkey alt+1 is imperil toward second monster (I don't know why but that makes it fast to cast). Maybe I will use L shortsword of slaughter
BTW, is this Legendary Shocking Shortsword of Slaughter good for soulbound? If so I could bid this.

This post has been edited by FalconF: Sep 12 2019, 20:42

I will say [One01] Legendary Demonic Rapier of Slaughter (252, ADB 70%) (seller: ljh235689) VINO40375 1.1m #57 in super's auction is the best available. But I dong't have 1M (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif).
Actually I don't worry about my defense. Currently I have:
66.5 % physical mitigation
67.3 % magical mitigation
53.5 % block chance
39.7 % parry chance
10.8 % resist chance
They are enough for me to play with 20x school girls. I think that will be fine with dragons as well.
By using monsterbation, I am OK with imperil as hotkey alt+1 is imperil toward second monster (I don't know why but that makes it fast to cast). Maybe I will use L shortsword of slaughter

I see you go for One10 at Super's aution. Be careful forged 22 means that forged Parry Chance to 22, not attach damage!

Hi there.
Not really a hardcore player, but i sometimes have strikes of playing for longer periods of time. Currently running 1H melee, and cant help but wonder how much would a mage built which would be able to beat DWD cost me ?
edit: meant on pfudor diff

on mid-low 300? a bit expensive since people blow up price for low level equipment.
closer to 400, it gets relatively cheaper.
at 400 when you could soulfuse anything, there's tons of "trash" mage equipment priced less than 500k, some not even sold for 50k.
you don't need radiant/charged if it's just for arena, and generic elemental mitigation prefix are cheap, frugal/mystic too (albeit maybe a tiny bit more expensive).
the thing that would take your budget most would be the staff and forging. you don't need much forging on the phase if it's just for arena, but you'll need enough forging on the elemental proficiency.
might take time to gather everything though as there's no guarantee that equipment on all slot for your chosen elements are available on market.

noni said 10-20m
but I believe if you're willing to wait longer you could get the stuff for 6-8mil. (~4-6 mil for the forging)

I had no specific element in mind, just in general if its within my budget. Now i see hell naw its not (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif). at least not at the pace i am playing as of now. Still havent figured whether i want to commit into 1h with iw and upgrades and stuff, or not.

if you realize that you don't have the budget, it's better to wait, you'll bound to drop some generic phase or cotton prof eventually, they might not be the best but it's easier to start building when you have 2-3 equipment ready from self drop than breaking the bank to build something that you don't know if it'll will work or not.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) What Fudo Masamune was saying was true, I already reached the level where monsters already die quickly with a single blow and I can easily survive in Pfudor both in the IW and in the last 3 challenges of the arena, both with the 2 fighting styles what I use, the one-handed and the dual welding, and that I have not yet equipped my new Legendary weapons, I continue with the same of exquisite grade, I wonder how much damage I will do when I improve those weapons at level 10 of the IW?

It's what you say, Ubershank.

Still, people forget that Weaken exists for something. It has helped me survive PFUDOR DwD since level 310ish.

I am a Dual welding arcanist-style warrior, so I continually use Imperil and Drain to end the battles faster.

And yet I have plenty of magic to be able to continue performing spells, that's why the only thing I use to finish the final 3 challenges of the arena that I do every day, are only Mana draought and Health Draought, for that same reason I buy them for amounts of 1000 forward.

Me too, I play for stretches then do other things for stretches. I'm currently on my second hiatus from this game. At our higher level I believe it's better to skip dawns and random encounters while not playing actively. You don't want to level up from only dawns and random encounters. Although it won't be too bad, you will get poor, and won't get as many low level good drops as you should.

OK, since they are mentioning it, for those who are buying and buying equipment to improve their fighting style and be surviving on the PFUDOR difficulty, I tell you the following ...

They will never recover those credits, and as I mentioned before I post messages further, what on earth is it good to be leveling up if when you reach a high level you don't have available credits to invest in better equipment?

Follow a piece of advice, lower the difficulty and do as many fights and challenges as possible, and sell everything you get from those battles, and start advancing your skill training in:

* Scavenger

* Luck of the Draw

* Quartermaster

* Archaeologist

And I recommend more than anything that the first 3 advance more than half, because that is where the constant credit income comes from. And if they don't want to waste credit, and get good equipment for their level, they should pay vital attention to Quartermaster training. I remind you that I have never bought any weapons from anyone, and for that very reason, I have had enough credits to improve the weapons I use, almost to their upgrade endpoints, since with the credits I saved by not buying weapons in the first 300 levels, I did not find anything difficult to continually buy the necessary bindings to improve them.

And that they will get good weapons to resell at levels from 300 to below this, is very unlikely, so they shouldn't be worrying about it; Since the real money in credits comes from the legendary and Peerless weapons from level 400 up, which are what the vast majority of users here buy, I suggest rather invest to reach that level to then obtain massive profits.

This post has been edited by Arkoniusx: Sep 13 2019, 00:30

Drop training (Quartermaster, and especially Luck of the Draw) is not as good if you aren't going to play at PFUDOR because your drops are also better at high difficulty. There are many players who believe that equipment prices are lower than they could be in general, and I agree with this. In other words, buying equipment from other players is actually the best value.

That being said everyone's strategy for improving themselves will vary, and one of the core reasons is wealth. Some players have the ability to get tons of credits from means other than killing monsters. It isn't fair but that's how HV life is. Even if you are the typical player of average wealth, in my opinion it's still better to buy certain equipment from other players, but you should use a lot of self drops also.

In my lifetime I bought a couple rapiers, one armor, a couple cheap shields, and everything else I use is still self dropped and not that great, but it works fine until I can find something way better to buy.

Your idea to lower difficulty to accumulate more credits from killing monsters and playing the game is one I agree with. This is one way to get more credits, relative to your level (but not relative to real world time spent playing). If you are poor (definition: regular person who does not get credits from means other than playing the game) this is not a bad idea, but at the same time I'm not recommending it.

That level 252 rapier at auction is awesome, in my opinion it should be worth 10 to 20 million credits, but it is unlikely to have a low level buyer who can afford that much. I would have sent it to decondelite's auction and priced it at 20 million credits, or find some way that low level players could share it without stealing it. I have a level 207 much weaker legendary rapier that people should share also, but I haven't figured out a way to safely lend it out yet. I should think about it.

Your idea to lower difficulty to accumulate more credits from killing monsters and playing the game is one I agree with. This is one way to get more credits, relative to your level (but not relative to real world time spent playing). If you are poor (definition: regular person who does not get credits from means other than playing the game) this is not a bad idea, but at the same time I'm not recommending it.

In fact it is, because you can do all the challenges of the daily arena, and at least you get 200k net credits, I mean; already discounting everything you used to perform those challenges, whether restorative or scrolls, and also the material used to repair your equipment.