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friendly reminder to all: this thread's purpose is to provide answers to questions of other players. I do question if arguing about the pro's and con's of different melee builds is very helpful to this purpose? I can appreciate that there are different opinions, different interpretation of facts, different findings, and different personal preferences. But what good does it do to keep repeating them?
Let's move on, shall we?
From a newbie's point of view? Very informative.
I do usually learn more about the pros and cons of builds from these little arguments and fights than just from asking directly, because newbies don't have the ability to argue with veterans.
Why? Because you take out your artillery. You need to bring out proper (or made up, but with some effort) arguments, counter-arguments, numbers and resources into the table to win your little fight, instead of just dismissing a newbie with a "you have no idea about how this works" or a "you don't know what you're talking about" answer, that you know he won't be able to argue to it, because it's usually true.
See that you can call each other idiots and yet, you can't dismiss the other part's arguments. At least, not as easily as you dismiss a newbie, because you're arguing with an equal, not advising an inferior one.
As for the fact about repeating them, this happens because we newbies ask these questions in a cyclical way, as they get buried in posts in this thread.
This thread is helpful as a source of information (1st post) and as a means to ask things that are immediate.
After that, the source of information is the Wiki, that AFAIK, some users have already complained that is incomplete. Add to that that the knowledge that is shared here isn't fed back to the Wiki, so the experience poured here goes down the drain and in the end there is a "need" to refresh it periodically by asking the same questions again and getting into the same arguments again.
Now, regarding the whole issue, I can't argue about technical matters as I'm going to be slapped as "you have no idea about what you're talking about", but it somehow comes to my mind that an expensive Rapier of Slaughter and a cheap Shortsword of Slaughter (at least, from looking at similar prices in market) have a similar behaviour regarding performance and clearing times, according to Basara Nekki's tests.
Of course, there are a lot of conclusions to be taken from this as clearing times don't depend only on the weapon, but that was the first thing that came to my mind: "so Shortsword aren't as shitty as they say?". And that's the least favourable conclusion for them, as Shortswords need their specific style and gears to be used properly, different from Rapiers.
Looking at the whole picture, I think that it's beneficial to the game that perception on Shortswords is being changed.
In the end, it's about opening a new alternative in a game where builds are pretty much set up, with only a few being "good", a few others being "second tier" and the rest being shit. I'd say that market and players would surely like to have one thing less to bazaar.
And that's a pity. I'm not sure if it's because of game mechanics, or because we are only willing to walk on threaded paths, but in the end, the fact that a piece of gear gets dismissed because of it's nature (Kite Shield, Leather, Plate, of the Vampire, of the Illithid...) means that either something's wrong with the game, or with the way it's being played.
PS: btw, for those interested, I'm going a tanky build, so no full "of Slaughter" for me. I've yet to hammer out the details, but either Rapier or Shortsword are fine to me, as I am already a heavy Imperil user (and Weaken) with a level of tolerance to non-Imperiled monsters of 0 to 2 at most (yes, very intolerant).
I guess I'll try both and see what suits me better, but I'm biased toward swords due to personal preferences.
PSS: in fact, I'm also looking at how the specifics of Vampire weapons work, like if they proc with counters like Bleeding Wound does and the exact amount they suck per turn (it says "base damage" on wiki, but not sure if weapon or character); so I want to investigate further on them.
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