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Any equip you're using now you found acceptable and going to use for a noticeable time is fine to be soulfused, even exquisite, as long as it doesn't make you waste credits to buy the soul fragments to soulfuse it.

exquisite only take 250 fragments to soulfuse. it's actually pretty cheap.

In fact it is a very good idea, I bought some very cheap Exquisite power boots of slaugther, for 10K credits that were like 75 levels below my current level, however I did what they recommended in back messages on this topic and calculate how much they would improve when soulfuse to my level and if it was a notable increase, so much was the increase that I have not changed them and I already obtained some magnificent power boots of my current level, but they are still falling far behind those boots that I soulfuse.

i got a leg wakizashi of slaughter from self drop. is it useful for melee or a wakizashi must have balance or nimble suffix?

I heard that it suitable for Niten.
Btw, how Shortsword of Slaughter compare to Rapier of Slaughter? Anyone with experience could tell me the clear speed of Shortsword?

I heard that it suitable for Niten.
Btw, how Shortsword of Slaughter compare to Rapier of Slaughter? Anyone with experience could tell me the clear speed of Shortsword?

I don't know about the clearspeed but:

Shortsword has higher ADB than Rapier. HOWEVER,
Rapier gives the "Penetrated Armor" proc, which increases your damage a lot when it hits.
I feel that for DW, Rapier is still best, but since you kill things fairly quickly anyway, Shortsword might be similar in clear speed to Rapier for most content.

I do think that Rapier is still king for schoolgirl arenas though, again due to the penetrated armor debuff.

I heard that it suitable for Niten.
Btw, how Shortsword of Slaughter compare to Rapier of Slaughter? Anyone with experience could tell me the clear speed of Shortsword?

For starters, Shortsword is clearly to be played with Imperil, in all cases, since it cannot deal with PMit on its own. That is not an option, unless you're under Lvl310. So if you're allergic to spamming Imperil in every round, forget about it.
Imp Shortsword is definitely the quickest way to kill Schoolgirls and FSM, a few players did confirm that lately. So if you prefer a Rapier for the regular gameplay, it's at least recommended to have a Hallowed/Demonic Shortsword for the SG arenas and FSM.

For regular monsters, Imp Shortsword will give roughly the same result as Imp Rapier, while non-Imp Rapier will be slower (but certainly the easiest to handle). If your Depr prof factor is sky high and if you have enough attack power, Imp Shortsword is the fastest, since it has higher damage output and you will barely be slown down by monsters PMit.

TL;DR
It does can do wonders, but it takes a lot of effort to draw out its true potential.

For starters, Shortsword is clearly to be played with Imperil, in all cases, since it cannot deal with PMit on its own. That is not an option, unless you're under Lvl310. So if you're allergic to spamming Imperil in every round, forget about it.
Imp Shortsword is definitely the quickest way to kill Schoolgirls and FSM, a few players did confirm that lately. So if you prefer a Rapier for the regular gameplay, it's at least recommended to have a Hallowed/Demonic Shortsword for the SG arenas and FSM.

For regular monsters, Imp Shortsword will give roughly the same result as Imp Rapier, while non-Imp Rapier will be slower (but certainly the easiest to handle). If your Depr prof factor is sky high and if you have enough attack power, Imp Shortsword is the fastest, since it has higher damage output and you will barely be slown down by monsters PMit.

TL;DR
It does can do wonders, but it takes a lot of effort to draw out its true potential.

My Depr prof is 297, for my level is high enough?
I pick this Legendary Fiery Shortsword of Slaughter (313) in Barzaar, even though is not Hallowed/Demonic Shortsword, but is still do the job, right?

Having a base Prof>110%*level is a very good start, yes. Ideally you'd also have the Evil Enchantress perk, but it's less important.
Can't say anything about the sword right now, I don't have ranges available on mobile.

I kinda play on and off the game with months in between, ex: last time I soulfused this: Exquisite Ethereal Shortsword of Balance and it cost around 30?

Anyway, DW with the above as main and this Magnificent Wakizashi of the Nimble as offhand.

Armor is average shade except for leather breastplate.

Highest difficulty I can do on random encounter is nintendo.

DW, light, depr and supp profs are around 220.

str-228
dex-218
agi-218
end-228
int-146
wis-169

advice pls?

also what should I do with these:
precursor artifact
robo rabbit head
stocking stuffers
mysterious tooth
delicate flower
mithra's flower
dalek voicebox

I kinda play on and off the game with months in between, ex: last time I soulfused this: Exquisite Ethereal Shortsword of Balance and it cost around 30?

Anyway, DW with the above as main and this Magnificent Wakizashi of the Nimble as offhand.

Armor is average shade except for leather breastplate.

Highest difficulty I can do on random encounter is nintendo.

DW, light, depr and supp profs are around 220.

str-228
dex-218
agi-218
end-228
int-146
wis-169

advice pls?

Get a better (but still cheap) main hand weapon (Slaughter suffix, Mag+, 3 PABS).
If you can get someone to IW them for you (whatever free IW, since you'll change them again around 250 more or less, and targeted IW is a cost not justified below good Leg.)
At least for the main hand, forge at least the PABS and ADB up to 5, DEX/END a bit more)

also what should I do with these:
precursor artifact
robo rabbit head
stocking stuffers
mysterious tooth
delicate flower
mithra's flower
dalek voicebox

precursor artifact : current WTB prices around 18 k each; at such price, I usually prefer to shrine them (for attriibutes points and EDs) rather then sell, but it's your choice

collections or shrine for (mostly unlucky to awful) equip drops, or SELL.

robo rabbit head : around 50k to 100k (if lucky) at last auctions
stocking stuffers : usually around 100 to 150 k
mysterious tooth & delicate flower: see last auctions, price varies a lot (usually between 500k and 1 M)
mithra's flower & dalek voicebox : around 700 C each, or you can shrine for equips (but is improbable to get anything worthwhile; still, you can then salvage the equipment for scraps or bazaar it)

My Depr prof is 297, for my level is high enough?

take note that you aren't merely consider the depre proficiency to counter the resist, but you have to consider your magic accuracy too for the evade.
imperil play maybe works, but imperiling on melee is a fkin chore.
imperiling 3 GF/round is still bearable, but all enemies per round using vanilla equipment with sub 100% m.accuracy? yeah lol, good luck with that.

also what should I do with these:
precursor artifact

either sell to wtb or shrine hoping for ED

robo rabbit head
stocking stuffers
mysterious tooth
delicate flower

you could try to auction it, robo head and stocking wouldn't sell for much (maybe ~100k) but the other 2 are pretty expensive I believe (2-4 weeks ago those sold for 600-800k in auction). if you don't like the number or expecting more, the other option is open wts and slap higher price.

mithra's flower
dalek voicebox

either sell it on wtb or shrine it if you feel lucky (most of the time you aren't as lucky as you think.)

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Sep 3 2019, 15:12

Yes, I haven't mentioned that investing points in WIS and Aether Shards are necessary for that. That Arcanist shade is of a great help at it too. But I didn't want to explain in detail how to max out the success rate of Imperil.

However, saying that casting Imperil 3 times a round is a bother is only a personal opinion as well as a matter of habit/proper preparation. I couldn't stand being slow as hell with a non-Imp Rapier gameplay, for my part, while the 3 casts of Imperil is done almost mindlessly within a single second.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Sep 3 2019, 15:59

Btw, how Shortsword of Slaughter compare to Rapier of Slaughter? Anyone with experience could tell me the clear speed of Shortsword?

I posted this some time ago: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=5464615

Read the following posts and draw your conclusions.

Note: When I did this test, my Rapier had upgrade lv.50 for ADB (today is 100), and all Power Slaughter equipment had 25 levels in all attributes (today everything is 50).

I said nothing last time in order not to make you look like an idiot and because I don't want to start arguments/a fuss, but it looks like you're somehow forcing me to do it/begging for it.

You don't even understand the very basics of that playstyle, and you dare using that joke of a test as a reference and giving lessons? You basically did everything wrong, so it could only fail. For starters, you had terrible success rate to land Imperil and were leaving a lot of monsters unaffected. Second, you utterly ruined the only advantage the Shortsword has by using Power of Slaughter besides the weapon. And third, you weren't making use of the counterattacks properly, while the style revolves around dealing a maximal damage output out of these while leaving the main attack to deal with unaffected monsters. Which of course means tanking as many as possible at once, for as long as possible, thus suggests Power of Protection+Warding even more.

I have nothing against you, but next time you perform an experiment, I suggest that you first get a good grasp/proper understanding of what you're studying.

No hard feelings. Cheers.

I said nothing last time in order not to make you look like an idiot and because I don't want to start arguments/a fuss, but it looks like you're somehow forcing me to do it/begging for it.
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No hard feelings. Cheers.

I have nothing against you, but next time you said something, I suggest that you first get a good grasp/proper understanding of what you're trying to say.
Choose whether you're trying to insult somebody or trying to look polite, since apparently you fail at both of them.

Also, even if what basara presented is faulty, you're no better than him by sharing partial information just to push your shortsword religion, and only disclose the worst part of it when somebody else mention the fault.

imperil for melee is fkin chore, and it's not personal preference, it's a fact that it take a lot to make it not being evaded and resisted more than half of the time.
you mention it's almost mindless in less than a second, but once again, you fail to mention the fact that those second doesn't warrant a full imperil stick
3 cast per round is easy, make those imperil stick on the monsters is a different question
only when basara link his result that you mention that without extra care imperil on melee have terrible success rate and call him not knowing what he's doing for not doing the extra care.

oh god, this is exactly the same as what vincento said a few days ago, no wonder I feel the deja vu.

oh god, this is exactly the same as what vincento said a few days ago, no wonder I feel the deja vu.

Yeah, that is something he does quite often. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...p;#entry5460284

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No problems. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I never get annoyed with your settings, nor anyone's. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) I just get annoyed at my bad luck, but that's another matter. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I understand your point of view and everything you have already explained, and as I said before, I am not able to do the exact same thing. The question is that acnx365 asked "anyone with experience", and to my knowledge, only you and I usually talk about this comparison between Rapier and Shortsword (at least recently). So I decided to post the link of my tests, and let the person decide to do their own test to come to a conclusion of their own.

Unfortunately almost nobody does comparative tests with the melee style equipment. As most high level players become mages, most of the results presented are in this sense. I'll say it again: I would like more people to perform comparative tests. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Just to put it in context, I decided to take this test because the vast majority of people said Rapier >>>>>>> Shortsword. And from my results I came to the conclusion that Rapier > Shortsword. That simple. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

But stopping to think now, if a low level player has low deprecating proficiency, wouldn't it be better for him to play Rapier + Imperil style? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

PS: I am still awaiting your results using a Rapier. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I have nothing against you, but next time you said something, I suggest that you first get a good grasp/proper understanding of what you're trying to say.
Choose whether you're trying to insult somebody or trying to look polite, since apparently you fail at both of them.

Also, even if what basara presented is faulty, you're no better than him by sharing partial information just to push your shortsword religion, and only disclose the worst part of it when somebody else mention the fault.

imperil for melee is fkin chore, and it's not personal preference, it's a fact that it take a lot to make it not being evaded and resisted more than half of the time.
you mention it's almost mindless in less than a second, but once again, you fail to mention the fact that those second doesn't warrant a full imperil stick
3 cast per round is easy, make those imperil stick on the monsters is a different question
only when basara link his result that you mention that without extra care imperil on melee have terrible success rate and call him not knowing what he's doing for not doing the extra care.

oh god, this is exactly the same as what vincento said a few days ago, no wonder I feel the deja vu.

I have fixed monsterbation so that I could spam Weaken/Imperil in every round, so it's alright. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
My magical hit change right now is 84,4%
I have been play Imperil on rapier the moment it useable, so that my Depr prof is pretty goods.
The only problem is that I couldn't find Leg Rapier of Slaughter without it's near level 500 or milions credits, which I don't have (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
and I have pick this Shortsword with ranges near Peerless for less than 20k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)
So I plan to use that Shortsword for some time while search for Rapier.
What do you think?

This post has been edited by acnx365: Sep 3 2019, 17:47

friendly reminder to all: this thread's purpose is to provide answers to questions of other players. I do question if arguing about the pro's and con's of different melee builds is very helpful to this purpose? I can appreciate that there are different opinions, different interpretation of facts, different findings, and different personal preferences. But what good does it do to keep repeating them?

Let's move on, shall we?

I have fixed monsterbation so that I could spam Weaken/Imperil in every round, so it's alright. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
My magical hit change right now is 84,4%
I have been play Imperil on rapier the moment it useable, so that my Depr prof is pretty goods.
The only problem is that I couldn't find Leg Rapier of Slaughter without it's near level 500 or milions credits, which I don't have (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
and I have pick this Shortsword with ranges near Peerless for less than 20k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)
So I plan to use that Shortsword for some time while search for Rapier.
How do you think?

I think that shorsword with imperil is a viable build. I think that rapier with imperil is a viable build. I think that rapier without imperil is a viable build. Just pick one, and we can go from there, you can ask questions on how to improve further when you get there.

So I plan to use that Shortsword for some time while search for Rapier.
What do you think?

I did it that way. I used a Legendary Rapier Balance, replaced it with a Legendary Shortsword Slaughter, and then a Legendary Rapier Slaughter. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Get a better (but still cheap) main hand weapon (Slaughter suffix, Mag+, 3 PABS).
If you can get someone to IW them for you (whatever free IW, since you'll change them again around 250 more or less, and targeted IW is a cost not justified below good Leg.)
At least for the main hand, forge at least the PABS and ADB up to 5, DEX/END a bit more)

Can't find any in WTS(or I have zero ability to read)

The closest I have is this Mag Club of Slaughter

2 PABS only, is it passable?

Can't find any in WTS(or I have zero ability to read)

The closest I have is this Mag Club of Slaughter

2 PABS only, is it passable?

Just be patient, your level isnt the best to find good weapons, but it gets easier later on. Well, the club sure as sure isnt the best, but i would say it is a good start.