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post Aug 26 2019, 22:44
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I'm at level 295, so it's time I evaluated if I'm doing good enough for that level and if my build is okay. I'd be grateful for your advice.

Here are my stats:

level 295
str 355 +4
dex 300 +4
agi 300 +2
end 355 +7
int 250 +3
wis 275 +2

Niten Ichiryu

proficiencies:
2H 317
dual 316
light armor 334
deprecating 266
supportive 334

training:
adept learner 100
assimilator 3
ability boost 45
scavenger 20
luck of draw 7
quartermaster 5
archeologist 2
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pack rat 4

[201492138] Magnificent Ethereal Katana of Slaughter (Level Soulbound, IW 10, forged 5)
[120555085] Magnificent Ethereal Wakizashi of Slaughter (Level 273, IW 6, forged 5)
[203818477] Magnificent Shade Helmet of the Fleet (Level 292)
[202119991] Magnificent Zircon Shade Breastplate of the Fleet (Level 292)
[64812732] Magnificent Ruby Shade Gauntlets of Negation (Level 295)
[202435517] Magnificent Shade Leggings of the Fleet (Level 279)
[201678901] Legendary Zircon Shade Boots of Negation (Level 275)

Some effective stats:
attack 5180
hp 13607
mp 1135
sp 980
phys mitig 63.2%
mag mitig 55.1%
evade 44.5%
parry 47.1%
resist 63.3%
49.6 interference
0 burden

I use cold proc augmented shield, since my katana has void+wind slash.

My playstyle:
IWBTH, all buffs besides spirit shield, health and, if more than 4 enemies, mana draughts and slashing everything while healing as needed. When there are 4 or less enemies, I use spirit to boost attack/when I need to cast non-free regen/heartseeker. When there are 5+ enemies, I use spirit mostly on Skyward Sword + sometimes on the beginning of round with many enemies or for cheaper non-free regen/heartseeker. When there are many enemies, I often get low hp and sometimes trigger SoL, which I fix by using potions.

I possess 484k credits and I was planning to use them to buy 21 ponies unless some of my equipment urgently needs an upgrade.

I'd like to ask if my playstyle needs change, if my stats distribution is okay, if niten even makes sense in my situation, what part of my equipment is okay for my level, what needs change first, and maybe what training should I do. My overall goal is to be able to clear arenas fast for xp and credits, even at the cost of some risks.

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post Aug 26 2019, 22:52
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Is a piece of equipment's maximum condition points related at all to how good it is? I don't see it mentioned on the Equipment Ranges wiki page, which leads me to believe that it might not be randomly assigned from some range of possible values.
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post Aug 26 2019, 22:55
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QUOTE(kdasny @ Aug 26 2019, 22:52) *

Is a piece of equipment's maximum condition points related at all to how good it is? I don't see it mentioned on the Equipment Ranges wiki page, which leads me to believe that it might not be randomly assigned from some range of possible values.


Check out The Forge on wiki, section on repair. As long as the condition is above 50%, there are no debuffs. And if anything equipped is below 50%, you get an exclamation mark near stamina on the top to indicate that you should visit the forge to repair it.

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post Aug 26 2019, 23:10
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Hello Liexxio (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Well, lets see. The first i notice is the difference between Str and Dex. Way to big and especially for DW or Niten i would even suggest to have a bit more Dex as Str, just not whole 55 points differece. More something like 10 or 20. I mean as Niten iirc you dont have the additional parry bonus from DW, a more dex to get a bit more parry cant hurt and the higher crit chance bonus will also be good for you, the few damage points you will loose are easy covered up by the additional crit chance. And i would also suggest to go for a waki of nimble or balance. Depending if you feel like needing more defense (nimble for the parry) or damage (balance for the accuracy and crit chance) Hm, using whole three of negation, but i guess that cant be helped, but if you dont feel really threatened by magical attacks think of switching one or two of those negation for fleet or even better shadowdancer if you can. You should imo also think of forging your armor set at least to five. I mean shade fragments are cheap and so are MG and HG Leather, so that shouldnt be a big issue. And imo finishe the IW on your waki, except of course you go to replace it in the near future as i suggested, in that case dont waste efford into it.

Oh, for the OFC, yeah, go for the OFC, it is usefull to any melee styles, even when i think you get the most out of it with 1H, but that is maybe just because it is my personal preference. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Well, i am actually not sure if niten makes sense or if it is the best of your options. Do you have fun playing as niten? I mean when the answer to that is yes, there is just no point for me telling you to switch to something different. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(kdasny @ Aug 26 2019, 22:52) *

Is a piece of equipment's maximum condition points related at all to how good it is? I don't see it mentioned on the Equipment Ranges wiki page, which leads me to believe that it might not be randomly assigned from some range of possible values.
Ehm, not really. At least i didnt even looked once at the max condition points of my set. Just look at the important stats, what sort of equipment it is, what tier it is and in your case still important what level. So lets say we a have a plain leather armor, actually kinda worth and useless, you normally just use it until you are able to get a full set of shade armor and you will never look back after it, so stats are just not important in any way at all. Now let us look at a shield. Kite shield is the plain leather or plain plate of the shields. You use it until you have something better. Recommended are force shields for 1H and Buckler for 1H mage but only specific buckler, iirc it was Battlecaster. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) And of course the most important stat of a shield is block, you just dont give a fuck about max condition, because no one does and no one should. Clear what i mean?
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post Aug 26 2019, 23:25
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Ehm, not really. At least i didnt even looked once at the max condition points of my set. Just look at the important stats, what sort of equipment it is, what tier it is and in your case still important what level. So lets say we a have a plain leather armor, actually kinda worth and useless, you normally just use it until you are able to get a full set of shade armor and you will never look back after it, so stats are just not important in any way at all. Now let us look at a shield. Kite shield is the plain leather or plain plate of the shields. You use it until you have something better. Recommended are force shields for 1H and Buckler for 1H mage but only specific buckler, iirc it was Battlecaster. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) And of course the most important stat of a shield is block, you just dont give a fuck about max condition, because no one does and no one should. Clear what i mean?


Like you said, I don't really care about the max condition of a piece of equipment for itself; I was just wondering if I could use it as a quick way to gauge how good something is compared to another piece of equipment, since I can't seem to get the Live Percentile Ranges script working.

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post Aug 26 2019, 23:28
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QUOTE(kdasny @ Aug 26 2019, 23:25) *

Like you said, I don't really care about the max condition of a piece of equipment for itself; I was just wondering if I could use it as a quick way to gauge how good something is compared to another piece of equipment, since I can't seem to get the Live Percentile Ranges script working.
Hm, that sucks. Whats the problem with the script?
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post Aug 26 2019, 23:37
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Aug 26 2019, 23:10) *

Well, lets see. The first i notice is the difference between Str and Dex. Way to big and especially for DW or Niten i would even suggest to have a bit more Dex as Str, just not whole 55 points differece. More something like 10 or 20. I mean as Niten iirc you dont have the additional parry bonus from DW, a more dex to get a bit more parry cant hurt and the higher crit chance bonus will also be good for you, the few damage points you will loose are easy covered up by the additional crit chance. And i would also suggest to go for a waki of nimble or balance. Depending if you feel like needing more defense (nimble for the parry) or damage (balance for the accuracy and crit chance) Hm, using whole three of negation, but i guess that cant be helped, but if you dont feel really threatened by magical attacks think of switching one or two of those negation for fleet or even better shadowdancer if you can. You should imo also think of forging your armor set at least to five. I mean shade fragments are cheap and so are MG and HG Leather, so that shouldnt be a big issue. And imo finishe the IW on your waki, except of course you go to replace it in the near future as i suggested, in that case dont waste efford into it.

Oh, for the OFC, yeah, go for the OFC, it is usefull to any melee styles, even when i think you get the most out of it with 1H, but that is maybe just because it is my personal preference. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Well, i am actually not sure if niten makes sense or if it is the best of your options. Do you have fun playing as niten? I mean when the answer to that is yes, there is just no point for me telling you to switch to something different. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Thanks a lot for your advice, Uncle Stu.

For now these armors are of Negation, since I didn't encounter anything better for my level on The Evil's Shop or myself. If suffix makes that much of a difference compared to level, I'll try to find some Shadowdancer or Fleet ones. My main problem are piercing attacks, since I'm using 100% shade armor. Maybe using only shade is a mistake?

Since you recommended some upgrades - will I get back shade fragments and bindings back when I salvage? And do I understand it correctly that I need only 5 shade fragments in total to get everything to +5 (not 5 per stat)?

As for waki, do you think I need accuracy if I already have 185.1% hit chance?

Also, on wiki one can find
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25 points = +1% Evade Chance

Does that mean that I get 1% every 25 points and nothing until next multiple of 25, or 0.04% every 1 point? I'm not sure, which is why I have most of my stats being multiples of 25.

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post Aug 26 2019, 23:59
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QUOTE(Liexxio @ Aug 26 2019, 23:37) *

Thanks a lot for your advice, Uncle Stu.
You are welcome. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
QUOTE(Liexxio @ Aug 26 2019, 23:37) *

For now these armors are of Negation, since I didn't encounter anything better for my level on The Evil's Shop or myself. If suffix makes that much of a difference compared to level, I'll try to find some Shadowdancer or Fleet ones. My main problem are piercing attacks, since I'm using 100% shade armor. Maybe using only shade is a mistake?
Yeah, i did wrote that i allready thought you just didnt got any better stuff. Dont rush it, you will get better quite soon. And no, level is imo not really something that decide is something is good or bad, it is just the level the one who drops it had and that is something that will get negate completly when you soulfuse it. THat is btw also something you should overthink, with Mag it is imo not really the best idea to change the whole set just because you did outlevel it. And yeah, piercing is kind of the weakness of a shade set, that is just something that cant be helped. But i would not recommend to change some of your items for plain leather just because of that. I allready pointed that it wouldnt be a bad idea to forge your armor at least to 5. THat should make everything a bit easier. Just like switching the waki for a waki of nimble.
QUOTE(Liexxio @ Aug 26 2019, 23:37) *

Since you recommended some upgrades - will I get back shade fragments and bindings back when I salvage? And do I understand it correctly that I need only 5 shade fragments in total to get everything to +5 (not 5 per stat)?
Yeah, you will. So dont worry, you will get most of the materials and bindings back after your salvage an item. Just no catalysts, they are gone. But believe when i tell you, when you finally notice how much stronger you can get with just a bit of forging, you wont regret that you did it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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As for waki, do you think I need accuracy if I already have 185.1% hit chance?
Well, that is near the 200% and after that you just dont benefit from it at all but until that, yeah i guess you will. I mean you need 200% to prevent monster from evade your attacks, but i mostly did say it, because that is just was of balance weapon are good at. Acc and crit chance.
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Also, on wiki one can find
Oh, the wiki. I will say it straight i have nothing to do with the wiki. Absolutly nothing.
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Does that mean that I get 1% every 25 points and nothing until next multiple of 25, or 0.04% every 1 point? I'm not sure, which is why I have most of my stats being multiples of 25.
Ehm, great now i have to look that up myself to make sure i understand the context, i guess every 25 points in agi or could be prof, not sure. Yeah, it is about Agi. Next time please dont quote something without any context so i have to look up what you are actually talking about. My knowledge comes from experience mine and those of other experts, not from the wiki. So afaik, the isnt something like 0.04% the lowest improvement couldbe 0.1% but you have also to keep in mind, the higher a certain stat like evade is, the harder is it to actually improve that at all. Could be that is just true for the actual evade chance of your equipment and the bonus from your agi is a flate bonus that is allways the same no matter what. I have to admit, i am not absolutly sure about that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) And no, you cant really fully trust the wiki about such things. Or at least i would not recommend to do that.
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post Aug 27 2019, 00:06
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QUOTE(Liexxio @ Aug 26 2019, 18:37) *

Maybe using only shade is a mistake?

not really, what you need is to upgrade your defensive stats (if you think your equip is worth it)

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will I get back shade fragments and bindings back when I salvage?

yes, 90% of them

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And do I understand it correctly that I need only 5 shade fragments in total to get everything to +5 (not 5 per stat)?
yes

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As for waki, do you think I need accuracy if I already have 185.1% hit chance?

you can use voidseeker shards to get another 50%. Usually upgrading accuracy isn't worth it when you play niten

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Does that mean that I get 1% every 25 points and nothing until next multiple of 25

no, your stats change every level
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post Aug 27 2019, 00:11
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Aug 27 2019, 00:06) *

yes, 90% of them
Personally i prefer to say, you loose 10%, because everytime i did salvage something i did use only 1 binding, i never got that single binding back, and i dont think that was bad rng but just as intended. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
QUOTE(lololo16 @ Aug 27 2019, 00:06) *

no, your stats change every level
You play too long with a fully soulfused set, because that is only true when you have soulfused equipment that does actually level with you and iirc we are talking about a set where only the Katana is fused. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Btw, uncle has a question himself. What is the perfect IW for a staff again? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) It is for a LHOH if that matters in any way.
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post Aug 27 2019, 00:14
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Aug 26 2019, 16:28) *

Hm, that sucks. Whats the problem with the script?

It just doesn't even show up on the Tampermonkey button on my toolbar, even though it says it's installed on the Tampermonkey dashboard. Other scripts work fine, so I'm not sure what the issue is.
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post Aug 27 2019, 00:20
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QUOTE(kdasny @ Aug 27 2019, 00:14) *

It just doesn't even show up on the Tampermonkey button on my toolbar, even though it says it's installed on the Tampermonkey dashboard. Other scripts work fine, so I'm not sure what the issue is.
So it is listed as installed and other scripts work fine and i guess it is also set active. If now maybe check that. Otherhwise, you could tell me how you did check if the script is actually working.
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post Aug 27 2019, 00:35
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Currently, I'm only using Track Drops in addition to trying to use Live Percentile Ranges. This (https://i.imgur.com/J1eQ9RT.png) is what my dashboard looks like, and this (https://i.imgur.com/8IWD31D.png) is what the dropdown menu on the toolbar looks like when I'm on HV. I'm not sure what you mean by checking if the script is actually working, beyond just seeing if it actually does anything.
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post Aug 27 2019, 00:45
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QUOTE(kdasny @ Aug 27 2019, 00:35) *

Currently, I'm only using Track Drops in addition to trying to use Live Percentile Ranges. This (https://i.imgur.com/J1eQ9RT.png) is what my dashboard looks like, and this (https://i.imgur.com/8IWD31D.png) is what the dropdown menu on the toolbar looks like when I'm on HV. I'm not sure what you mean by checking if the script is actually working, beyond just seeing if it actually does anything.
Yeah, thought so allready, but allways better to check such simple solutions, you wouldnt believe how often it is just something totally simple that case the problem. And with how you check if the script is worken or not i mean exacly that. What did you do to check if the script is working or not. Because i was thinking, the script doesnt work if you just hover over an equipment. Or at least it doesnt for me, but my version is a bit old, maybe i should update is someday. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Well, what ever. Anyway. Do you see any percentages when you click thiat link?

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/152834459/3d6625d7e1
Or better asked, does it look like this? Sort of, remember i use an old version.
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post Aug 27 2019, 00:53
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QUOTE(kdasny @ Aug 27 2019, 00:35) *

Currently, I'm only using Track Drops in addition to trying to use Live Percentile Ranges. This (https://i.imgur.com/J1eQ9RT.png) is what my dashboard looks like, and this (https://i.imgur.com/8IWD31D.png) is what the dropdown menu on the toolbar looks like when I'm on HV. I'm not sure what you mean by checking if the script is actually working, beyond just seeing if it actually does anything.


This script works only on equip pages, i.e., these below
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This means that you won't see it on the list on normal HV pages, only on item page, i.e., when you click [C] while hovering over the equipment. Can you try to open that one, but in a normal tab, and check if it's on the list?

By the way, I suggest moving this discussion to the scripts thread.

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There is some way not to level up so fast and still be able to continue battling continuously in the arena.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Every time I go up to a damn level it makes me lose my game strategy, and I have to improve my equipment and that costs a lot of credits, which I am not earned at all, and that I am already playing on the IWTH difficulty in a person and Pfudor in the other.

What the hell is it for me to go up the damn level if I'm going to be poor, repairing the equipment I have to the fullest and I receive nothing more than pure garbage and credits that are not enough for me to repair the equipment.
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QUOTE(Liexxio @ Aug 26 2019, 17:53) *

This script works only on equip pages, i.e., these below

This means that you won't see it on the list on normal HV pages, only on item page, i.e., when you click [C] while hovering over the equipment. Can you try to open that one, but in a normal tab, and check if it's on the list?


Okay, that works. Thanks!


QUOTE(Liexxio @ Aug 26 2019, 17:53) *

By the way, I suggest moving this discussion to the scripts thread.


I asked about this issue there a few days ago, as well as about having to use custom fonts, but I only got a response about the latter (including a font suggestion from you). And sorry about bringing this up here; the issue just came up in the context of me asking about other stuff.
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QUOTE(Arkoniusx @ Aug 27 2019, 01:06) *

There is some way not to level up so fast and still be able to continue battling continuously in the arena.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Every time I go up to a damn level it makes me lose my game strategy, and I have to improve my equipment and that costs a lot of credits, which I am not earned at all, and that I am already playing on the IWTH difficulty in a person and Pfudor in the other.

What the hell is it for me to go up the damn level if I'm going to be poor, repairing the equipment I have to the fullest and I receive nothing more than pure garbage and credits that are not enough for me to repair the equipment.


Do you need to change the equipment every level? I think it should be fine for many levels. If you have a great equipment you might consider soulfusing it if you care about equipment levels so much.

And about xp... high-level arenas and random encounters give considerable exp bonus, so maybe just avoid these and go for item worlds of your current equipment (especially soulfused ones)?

I have level similar to yours, 125% bonus exp and I clear IWBTH high-level arenas with ease (especially last ones with not so many monsters at once). I think something might be inefficient with your playstyle or you're changing your equipment too often, consequently not having enough credits for a good one. How often do you die (losing 1/10 of durability)?

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I've noticed that sometimes, my mana goes down instead of up over time. I've noticed it decreasing by up to 5 points in between spell casts, so it's definitely not a rounding issue. Any idea what may be causing this?

Edit: When this does happen, the rate of decrease is much slower than my normal rate of mana regeneration.

Edit 2: Okay never mind; I was being an idiot and forgot about the autocast mana depletion. By the way, is there a way to delete a comment?

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Shall I Soulfuse this shield?

[203244413] Legendary Mithril Kite Shield of Warding (172)

I try to find a better force shield, but it is either too expensive or not good enough.

Currently I only have 1050 soul fragments.
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