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Does this still apply or things have changed?

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Loot_Drop_Rolls

generally it still is.

So is there anything I can do for that?

Or is it just the tradeoff of having more evasion?

Evasion, parry and juggernaut on your armour altogether combine to reduce the amount of urgent healing you have to do. Depending on your playstyle this can be more manageable than others... for example, DW can get absurdly high parry (with fully forged weapons with high parry rates).

Evasion, parry and juggernaut on your armour altogether combine to reduce the amount of urgent healing you have to do. Depending on your playstyle this can be more manageable than others... for example, DW can get absurdly high parry (with fully forged weapons with high parry rates).

The issue with having very high damage avoidance and low damage mitigation, is that you will be very vulnerable to monster's RNG luck:
-you need to heal from time to time anyway
-your regen buff is wasted in a full HP bar for a large share of the time

This is for this exact reason why I largely prefer absurdly high mitigation over high damage avoidance: it's constant, reliable, not tied to RNG, and optimizes the effects of Regen.

The issue with having very high damage avoidance and low damage mitigation, is that you will be very vulnerable to monster's RNG luck:
-you need to heal from time to time anyway
-your regen buff is wasted in a full HP bar for a large share of the time

This is for this exact reason why I largely prefer absurdly high mitigation over high damage avoidance: it's constant, reliable, not tied to RNG, and optimizes the effects of Regen.

Sure - you're not wrong - but a light armor player is going to find it very difficult to get that level of mitigation, and even 1H players can likely only reach that thanks to using a shield.

Yes I do know well that such results can only ever be reached with (high proficiency) heavy armor.
But that's still a thing to keep in mind at all times for all playstyles. No one is safe from a sudden extreme RNG luck spike by the monsters, who will not get evaded / blocked and crit their SP attack one after the other.

I can really only speak to my experience but when I tried to play PFUDOR with 2H Mace before switching to Light, I would get absolutely chunked randomly by various magic and void damage attacks. Despite having significantly "better" Heavy equipment including 3 pieces of Mag Shielding, I have much better sustain with a makeshift set of Exq/Sup Leather/Shade.

In raw terms my mitigation went from like 70p/65m 45s/45p/30c to like 60p/55m 25s/10p/25c... which is definitely significant, but not really a problem considering how much more damage I'd actually end up taking from magic attacks with my 10% resist (vs 55% now).

The increased damage from physical isn't really a concern since I'm able to parry a significant portion of those and even though I had a respectable block rate before (for lacking a shield anyway), it's dwarfed by my evade rate now... and that's all before considering the benefits granted by having higher attack speed.

Most importantly though, Spirit Shield and Spark of Life do a rather good of acting as RNG mitigation, so like, yes on the one hand it's less optimized to take advantage of Regen but it's more optimized to take advantage of Spirit Shield... and possibly Haste/Shadow Veil too, unless the effects of those spells are strictly additive?

Get IA (Innate Arcana) ASAP, and link Spark to it.

Since I got that one, my deaths went down, as I get the chance to Full Heal/Heal/take a pot before being hit again.

Btw, how was your experience with Shielding gear? I guess it's slow, but it's that slow?

This post has been edited by ahroun: Jun 22 2019, 17:42

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It's mostly because heavy is still a bit "meh" at your level, and you don't kill the monsters fast enough.
I know by experience that 2H, whatever the weapon, has a terrible lack of attack power unless one comes with a very high level of forging on the weapon and armor.
2H is mostly fit for low level players (<Lvl250) or very high level players (>400) who can afford forging like mad.

Even if you saw some improvement by using shade, you're definitely going to have things going worse and worse.

speaking as a 2H mace Light player who's been doing it from 200 (@ IWBTH. currently at 323), I can tell you my general experience.

The difference between general leather and shadowdancer/fleet is huge. The next big thing you should look for in a piece of gear is legendary vs. magnificent.

You need to utilize rending blow as much as possible. This helps offset the damage problem. I can usually cast it as soon as it wears off due to the attack speed bonus.


All things considered, I can see myself comfortably using this style for a while, since I still have a ton of improvements I can make. I'm still only at 2/5 legendary pieces and only 4/5 shadowdancer/fleet. I can't soulfuse my eth mace of slaughter yet but I can drop 14 burden once I do. And I haven't done any forging at all. And only my weapon is IW'd

Obviously, I can't answer if these improvements will be able to push me to PFUDOR or not. I can do the earlier arenas at PFUDOR comfortably but higher arenas make me spend way too much time healing.

This post has been edited by Firew: Jun 22 2019, 21:19

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Which weapon is better?
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may i ask a question about attack speed bonus or some advise ？

as a heavy one-hand rapier warrior i got 0.4 % attack speed bonus

if i lower the agi to makes it 0%

does it helps me to get more counter chance and kill mob quickly to reduce turns ？

i am trying to find every possibility in my power to reduce play turns save time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

enchant shards 、better equipment 、forge upgrade、use melee skills and OFC etc

if i lower the agi to makes it 0%

does it helps me to get more counter chance and kill mob quickly to reduce turns ？

Yes, having higher attack speed basically means you'll get more turns than the monsters - imagine getting an extra attack in sometimes, while monsters still have to wait for their next turn. That's why it's good to avoid using haste as a 1H player also (when you can survive fine without it).

Yes, having higher attack speed basically means you'll get more turns than the monsters - imagine getting an extra attack in sometimes, while monsters still have to wait for their next turn. That's why it's good to avoid using haste as a 1H player also (when you can survive fine without it).

thanks for reply and could the attack speed bonus be in the minus ？i thought if mobs so fast can hit me twice but get blocked and twice counter ?

thanks for reply and could the attack speed bonus be in the minus ？i thought if mobs so fast can hit me twice but get blocked and twice counter ?

Not exactly - your personal attack speed can be 0% at the lowest, but monsters can have higher attack speed than that (pfudor bonus + chaos upgrades)

as a heavy one-hand rapier warrior i got 0.4 % attack speed bonus
if i lower the agi to makes it 0%
does it helps me to get more counter chance and kill mob quickly to reduce turns ？

take note that experience might vary wildly depend on playstyle and equipment.
the attack speed bonus - along with evade - are also sources of defense. While it might eclipsed by block, parry, and counter stun, on some cases it's still a legit reason to keep some attack speed and evade to decrease cure frequency.

basically, there's a possibility that you might ended up with longer clear time because losing defense and spending more time curing, even with the supposedly more damage per turn from more counter. this for example.

what's the cutoff, where's the balance, once again, it depends on each person playstyle and equipment.

though, tbh I think your 0.4% wouldn't matter that much anyway.

what's the cutoff, where's the balance, once again, it depends on each person playstyle and equipment.

though, tbh I think your 0.4% wouldn't matter that much anyway.

I concur with this: probably the best thing you can get for speed is aiming for the decondelite/uncle stu style of play - minimizing the attention you have to put into healing. It might not be the most efficient way for turn count, but it will probably be more humanly playable and pleasant... and maybe you can watch some youtube videos while you're doing it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

How do Haste and Shadow Veil stack anyway? Like if you had 0 Agi, high Burden and no bonus to EVD/Action Speed, would these spells simply add 25% EVD and 50% Action Speed respectively (assuming max level improved versions of each)? Or are they factored into your overall calculation and thus have the potential to do nothing if your Burden was high enough?

How do Haste and Shadow Veil stack anyway? Like if you had 0 Agi, high Burden and no bonus to EVD/Action Speed, would these spells simply add 25% EVD and 50% Action Speed respectively (assuming max level improved versions of each)? Or are they factored into your overall calculation and thus have the potential to do nothing if your Burden was high enough?

They will add their full bonuses regardless of burden as far as I know

This post has been edited by lestion: Jun 23 2019, 03:31

thanks for reply and could the attack speed bonus be in the minus ？i thought if mobs so fast can hit me twice but get blocked and twice counter ?

Counter is limited to 3/turn no matter how slow you are.
Rather than minding the 0.4% you'd better haste when you take a piss. So you can return playing in 2 minutes instead of 5.

Do critical hits go through parry/evade?

For example, if your hit rolls to be a critical hit, but it also rolls to be evaded/parried, would it hit anyway?