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May 18 2019, 17:57
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uareader
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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Finally miraculously managed to get a proper level up message at the end of a fight (instead of leveling up at the beginning with no report). But despite reaching level 430, didn't see a message about getting a Mastery point.
I think a long time ago, when it was still normal to level up only after a fight, there was such a message.Is that a lost feature too?
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May 18 2019, 17:58
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Noni
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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QUOTE(uareader @ May 18 2019, 17:57)  Finally miraculously managed to get a proper level up message at the end of a fight (instead of leveling up at the beginning with no report). But despite reaching level 430, didn't see a message about getting a Mastery point.
I think a long time ago, when it was still normal to level up only after a fight, there was such a message.Is that a lost feature too?
really hard to tell, as most players use monsterbation to speed through the messages. So your observation is pretty unique, it may be all we have. Based on that, it's a lost feature apparently.
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May 18 2019, 18:41
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wowareyoukidding
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 18 2019, 16:15)  Well, that depends, i guess you want to use it, but what style do you play? This seems like an okay off-hand weapon for DW, but most mag of slaughter weapons would have better damage, so this wouldnt be the best choice if you play 1H.
Alright, as long as it has some use later on! Right now I'm just using 1H since the wiki said 1H was good in the 200+ range, but DW isn't out of the picture for later. Thanks.
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May 18 2019, 19:01
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(wowareyoukidding @ May 18 2019, 18:41)  Alright, as long as it has some use later on!
Well, when i did call it okay, that was just ment for your actual level, later on you will have not really a problem to find a much better one. It has low damage, average parry, low dex and so on, the only two things that are actually good about it, is agi and its low level, except that, there is really nothing special about it. QUOTE(wowareyoukidding @ May 18 2019, 18:41)  Right now I'm just using 1H since the wiki said 1H was good in the 200+ range, but DW isn't out of the picture for later.
Yeah, wiki does say a lot of things and imo in the 200+ range you can except mage play whatever you want, because it does not matter much. So you should play what you have fun with, not what someone did wrote in the wiki you should. Except mage, that is really something you should just start later. 1500th post from uncle in the experts topic. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) I am really proud about that. And to celebrate that, i will sent you a little give after it did finish the arena. This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: May 18 2019, 19:03
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May 18 2019, 22:05
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wowareyoukidding
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 18 2019, 19:01)  Yeah, wiki does say a lot of things and imo in the 200+ range you can except mage play whatever you want, because it does not matter much. So you should play what you have fun with, not what someone did wrote in the wiki you should. Except mage, that is really something you should just start later. 1500th post from uncle in the experts topic. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) I am really proud about that. And to celebrate that, i will sent you a little give after it did finish the arena. Okay! I'll check out the other styles earlier then to break things up a little. Congrats on your landmark and thanks for the goodies. ( ノ^ω^)ノ゚
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May 18 2019, 23:42
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Drksrpnt
Group: Gold Star Club
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Is it just me or do forge upgrades not scale by level? Specifically melee ADB.
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May 19 2019, 00:59
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(wowareyoukidding @ May 18 2019, 22:05)  Congrats on your landmark and thanks for the goodies. ( ノ^ω^)ノ゚
Thanks and you are welcome. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ May 18 2019, 23:42)  Is it just me or do forge upgrades not scale by level? Specifically melee ADB.
Well, lower upgrades give a higher bonus as the later ones, so tbh i dont understand why the tool tip does talk about +1%.
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May 19 2019, 01:31
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Drksrpnt
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 18 2019, 18:59)  Well, lower upgrades give a higher bonus as the later ones, so tbh i dont understand why the tool tip does talk about +1%.
No I mean, when you level up, the forge upgrades don't level up with you.
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May 19 2019, 02:12
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Uncle Stu
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Oh, that, well i would say because it cant, i mean you allready start of with possible upgrades, so it is just not possible for every level to give you an additional upgrade possibility.
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May 19 2019, 03:16
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Drksrpnt
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 18 2019, 20:12)  Oh, that, well i would say because it cant, i mean you allready start of with possible upgrades, so it is just not possible for every level to give you an additional upgrade possibility.
You're misunderstanding. Basically, I forge my weapons/armor with binding of slaughter, right? So my damage goes up. When I level up my actual HV level, the amount my damage goes up when I level up is very minimal in comparison to the forge upgrade. Like when I leveled up from 491 to 492, my ADB only went up 18(I think). That doesn't seem right, does it? This post has been edited by Drksrpnt: May 19 2019, 03:18
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May 19 2019, 03:28
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ May 19 2019, 03:16)  You're misunderstanding.
Hm, and even the second time. Well, all good things come in threes. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ May 19 2019, 03:16)  Basically, I forge my weapons/armor with binding of slaughter, right? So my damage goes up.
Well wouldnt that be a waste of credits if that wasnt the fact? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ May 19 2019, 03:16)  When I level up my actual HV level, the amount my damage goes up when I level up is very minimal in comparison to the forge upgrade.
Like when I leveled up from 491 to 492, my ADB only went up 18(I think). That doesn't seem right, does it?
So, do you just dont like the amount of ADB you get from a level up, compared to an actual upgrade from the forge? Or do you think there is something wrong with the numbers? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Because it looks about right to me, even when my last level up has been a while. This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: May 19 2019, 03:29
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May 19 2019, 03:34
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Drksrpnt
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 27-December 10

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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 18 2019, 21:28)  So, do you just dont like the amount of ADB you get from a level up, compared to an actual upgrade from the forge? Or do you think there is something wrong with the numbers? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Because it looks about right to me, even when my last level up has been a while. Well it's a bit of both. I mostly feel like there's something wrong with the numbers.
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May 19 2019, 06:10
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Dead-ed
Group: Members
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Joined: 4-March 14

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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ May 18 2019, 19:16)  Like when I leveled up from 491 to 492, my ADB only went up 18(I think). That doesn't seem right, does it?
Do you also consider the damage you get from str & dex (which are also scaling)? Damage gain diminishes the higher they are. Math nerds please help.
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May 19 2019, 06:30
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Drksrpnt
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ May 19 2019, 00:10)  Do you also consider the damage you get from str & dex (which are also scaling)? Damage gain diminishes the higher they are.
Math nerds please help.
I mean when I level up my damage goes up WAY LESS than what I'm expecting considering all the forge upgrades I've done.
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May 19 2019, 06:36
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 4-February 12

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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ May 19 2019, 06:30)  I mean when I level up my damage goes up WAY LESS than what I'm expecting considering all the forge upgrades I've done.
Okay, i guess now i get it. You think you would get a higher bonus per level-up when you did a lot of upgrades? Well, i thought that once myself, but that is not true. So i guess a level up is sort of a multiplicator who got increased, while the upgrades are just get addited or something like that. I am sure the true formulia is more complicated as if would actually care to find out. But when i think of the spreadsheets from scremaz i am sure he has roughly something like that.
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May 19 2019, 06:51
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Drksrpnt
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 3,551
Joined: 27-December 10

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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 19 2019, 00:36)  Okay, i guess now i get it. You think you would get a higher bonus per level-up when you did a lot of upgrades? Well, i thought that once myself, but that is not true. So i guess a level up is sort of a multiplicator who got increased, while the upgrades are just get addited or something like that. I am sure the true formulia is more complicated as if would actually care to find out. But when i think of the spreadsheets from scremaz i am sure he has roughly something like that.
Yeah that's what I meant, thanks.
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May 19 2019, 06:56
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PersonaFan08
Group: Members
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Nevermind.
I'll just wait until I wake up tomorrow morning and then I'll find out how much costs Archeologist Level 6 for myself.
This post has been edited by PersonaFan08: May 19 2019, 07:12
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May 19 2019, 07:02
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SPoison
Group: Gold Star Club
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I don't understand the confusion with upgrades. Are you saying once already upgraded that the upgraded numbers aren't scaling with your level correct?
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Are you saying as you further upgrade an equip the increase is not as high as in the early upgrades of the same equip?
For the second one that I believe that is meant to work like that, in the beginning upgrades give much bigger boosts but scale down as they are further upgraded.
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May 19 2019, 07:03
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Dead-ed
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ May 18 2019, 22:30)  I mean when I level up my damage goes up WAY LESS than what I'm expecting considering all the forge upgrades I've done.
& that damage comes from both scaling equipment adb & equipment pab, you need to separate those. Every time you level up, you get scaled damage upgrade (supposedly) as expected, but the damage gain from pab diminishes according to this QUOTE (log(3330 + STR * 2 + DEX , 1.0003) - 27039.81)
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