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post May 8 2019, 20:53
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QUOTE(ubershank @ May 8 2019, 20:36) *

Forgive me if this has been asked before,
You would wonder how often someone ask a question that has been asked before. I dont mind, so no need to be sorry.

QUOTE(ubershank @ May 8 2019, 20:36) *

Does Shadow Veil increase your evade by it's percentage, or multiple your current evade by it's percentage? I'm asking because I'm using it all the time, but have a 0% evade. If it's the latter, I'm just wasting mana.
Dont worry, you dont waste anything, it is a flat percental bonus, with no multiplicator.
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Also, when it comes to combat, how does it calculate if you block/evade/parry. You obviously can't block and evade on the same attack, so does it roll to see if you block, then another roll to see if you evade etc? Increasing those stats over mitigation seems better if that's the case, so I'd be tempted to switch to light armour.
The order of the rolls is Evade, Block, Parry/Resist. That is also the reason why high evade isnt something you want as 1H, because you benefit from blocked and parried attacks much more. So, if you play 1H, i would really not suggest to switch to shade. Shade is better played with DW or 2H.
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post May 8 2019, 20:53
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QUOTE(Finestela @ May 8 2019, 18:20) *

(Counter is still a bit low, and I have no clue what causes it... Here's my current stats)

Because of Haste and Shadow Veil...
It's fine for now.

Not sure what you're already using, so...

Advice:
- Use Voidseeker Shard on your weapon to reach 200% hit chance.
It'll remove monster's evasion.
Forge - Enchant (+50%; for 60 mins). Use 2 for now for the whole battle (2 hours).
- Increase your Wisdom to reach 100% magic hit chance / 20% resist chance.
It'll help with casting Imperil and mitigating incoming spells.
You can try to use 2 Aether Shard just to test Imperil landing. Kind of pricey to use constantly for now, just to test it how it affects your turns/time.
Forge - Enchant (+50%; for 60 mins).
- You can add additional Elemental Strike to your weapon (in addition to your Fire one) to increase your damage.
Forge - Enchant (+1 strike; +15 mins), so, use 8 for now (2 hours) for the whole battle. Use day's Infusion, or Holy/Dark (bosses' weakness).
Don't use the same Infusion as your element (Fire), it won't give you anything.
- Try it with any Magnificent (Str, Dex, Agi or Str, Dex attributes)/Legendary Rapier around your level. Any.
Buy cheap, IW to level 10 cheap (any potencies). Just to test it.
Or Legendary Shortsword of Slaughter. It should be cheap to find very good one around your level or lower for more long-term usage.
- It's kind of cheap to forge weapon to level 5. A little boost.
- Shield... Spare is not an improvement. I see one okay Mag Force around your level in the auctions... Too lazy to check shops, if there's better ones.
- Replacing your Exquisite with Magnificent (any; all attributes - Str, Dex, End) or Legendary will give you a boost.
- Use Featherweight Shards on at least 1 your equipment. I think you have burden > 70. Losing critical chance.
- Try not to use Haste and Shadow Veil unless you need it to survive.
Start battle without it and add it as you go and feel that you need it. First add one then after some time another as you start to get hit hard again (try to go a few rounds more to exclude just bad case of spike damage).
You can also try to use Featherweight Shards on all your armour. It may help you to reach higher rounds before resorting to Shadow Veil and/or Haste.
Forge - Enchant (60 min).
- General DwD tactic: Imperil bosses (or everything), kill bosses first, when boss gets stunned, use Vital Strike on it for a high damage and bleeding (your Shortsword interferes with bleeding and you're losing damage), normal monsters will die from counter-attacks, kill normal monsters that are still alive.
It should be doable with 1 bosses and 2 bosses (early rounds).

If you feel pressure you may kill some normal monsters first (higher rounds with 2+ bosses) before concentrating on bosses.



You may PM me for more in-depth advice for your specific case and what you want to achieve.

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post May 8 2019, 21:04
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QUOTE(tox01 @ May 8 2019, 20:53) *

Because of Haste and Shadow Veil...
Yeah, Finestela can you survive without it? If the answer is yes, stop using them, if the answer is no, keep using them.
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post May 8 2019, 21:25
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 8 2019, 19:53) *

You would wonder how often someone ask a question that has been asked before. I dont mind, so no need to be sorry.

Dont worry, you dont waste anything, it is a flat percental bonus, with no multiplicator.
The order of the rolls is Evade, Block, Parry/Resist. That is also the reason why high evade isnt something you want as 1H, because you benefit from blocked and parried attacks much more. So, if you play 1H, i would really not suggest to switch to shade. Shade is better played with DW or 2H.



Thanks a lot for the info, it's 1h I'm focusing on (recently changed from niten), so I'll follow your advise and see how it goes.
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post May 8 2019, 21:53
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To be more accurate, Shadow Veil is a probability of 25% to evade an attack when other evade rolls failed. It is applied even after Burden is taken into account, so you don't need to worry, its effects are guaranteed.
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post May 8 2019, 22:02
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Shadow Veil has 15% Base Evade Bonus, with one level of Better Shadow Veil 18%, with two 20%, with three 22%, with four 24% and with all five you get 25%.
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post May 8 2019, 22:28
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QUOTE(ubershank @ May 8 2019, 20:36) *

Does Shadow Veil increase your evade by it's percentage, or multiple your current evade by it's percentage?

i believe the formula with full ability is

evade = .25 + .75 * base_evade

so shadow veil always increases your evade

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 8 2019, 13:54) *

But why not just use the therm ponys?

futureproofing. what if Mr. Ed, Big Dick, etc. get added to the rotation

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post May 8 2019, 22:52
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QUOTE(sickentide @ May 8 2019, 22:28) *

i believe the formula with full ability is

evade = .25 + .75 * base_evade

so shadow veil always increases your evade

Ehm, how could it when base evade is zero? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Even 5M * 0 is nothing but Zero. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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futureproofing. what if Mr. Ed, Big Dick, etc. get added to the rotation
Yeah, good point, even when i somehow doubt that. I mean we have the same ponies as long as i can remember back and that are allready a few years.
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post May 8 2019, 22:57
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multiplication before addition...
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post May 8 2019, 23:09
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QUOTE(sickentide @ May 8 2019, 22:57) *

multiplication before addition...
You wouldnt believe how often i did allready forget that rule. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post May 9 2019, 00:02
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QUOTE(tox01 @ May 8 2019, 13:53) *

Because of Haste and Shadow Veil...
It's fine for now.



QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 8 2019, 14:04) *

Yeah, Finestela can you survive without it? If the answer is yes, stop using them, if the answer is no, keep using them.


*Slaps her forehead*

I am such an idiot.

Yes, survivability isn't an issue for me in DwD right now, so I'll definitely do my next run without shadowveil on my next run just to see how it goes.

But why is haste a negative on clear speed though? I also remember hearing someone mentioning how it's best to keep base attack speed at or close to zero. What's the reason behind it?

Weapon shouldn't be an issue for a while since the God of RNG was kind enough to drop me these all in a week before I turned 300.

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I'm using the Shortsword of Balance at the moment.

I'll definitely try out with the enchantments as well just to test how much improvement I'd get.

But the gears are just... impossible to find unless I level up another 10 to 20. Can't find any decent replacement for my boots, which is WAAAAAAAAY behind my level.

I did get lucky on that 2nd DwD for a Mag power legging that's an upgrade, but just 2 attributes instead of 3...

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post May 9 2019, 00:10
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1- I want Soulfuse this iten. Wort it? I have almost 2000 soul Fragment.
2- Counter-parry is good for main hand?

I'm playing DW with heavy power armor. i tryied some droped light armor i have and look better but is 2k hp less. And if i change to shield a lose lot of damage beacause proficience too.

3- I change to Shade armor or shield? ( I wanna change because i still can't do some arena rounds in PFUDOR)

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post May 9 2019, 00:31
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QUOTE(Finestela @ May 9 2019, 00:02) *

But why is haste a negative on clear speed though? I also remember hearing someone mentioning how it's best to keep base attack speed at or close to zero. What's the reason behind it?
Actually for the same reasons as SV. Because it reduces the overall attacks monster can make per round, it reduces the number of attacks you can block or parry, that does reduce of course the damage you do with counter attacks and it also reduce the amount of overcharge you get, which when you use Vital Strike against SG reduce the time you stay actually in spirit stance. All that does reduce of course your clear time, that is a bit weird, but is as the game works atm. Does this clearify why high attack speed isnt good for 1H?

QUOTE(Finestela @ May 9 2019, 00:02) *

Weapon shouldn't be an issue for a while since the God of RNG was kind enough to drop me these all in a week before I turned 300.

I'm using the Shortsword of Balance at the moment.
Hm, still nothing i would call great. Axe isnt so good because of the lack of parry, but the high damage makes it a good solution when you did reach high level/high damage, with your axe that could even work, but not at your level and without any forging. Normaly a rapier would be best for killing SG, but not a of vampire, that is literally just bazaar fooder, sorry. And an Ethereal shortsword is also not that great, but from those three, i would say it is the best you have atm.
QUOTE(Finestela @ May 9 2019, 00:02) *

I'll definitely try out with the enchantments as well just to test how much improvement I'd get.
I would suggest Infusion of Divinity or of Darkness. SG really dont like those two elements.
QUOTE(Finestela @ May 9 2019, 00:02) *

But the gears are just... impossible to find unless I level up another 10 to 20. Can't find any decent replacement for my boots, which is WAAAAAAAAY behind my level.
Yeah, that is kind of a problem at your level, but it gets better later on.
QUOTE(Finestela @ May 9 2019, 00:02) *

I did get lucky on that 2nd DwD for a Mag power legging that's an upgrade, but just 2 attributes instead of 3...
Hm, well that PAB did lack? Because lets say it had a higher damage as what you use right now and survivability isnt a problem and the lacking PAB is End, i would say give it a go and see if it helps you reach a faster clearing speed.

QUOTE(pir3sbruno @ May 9 2019, 00:10) *

1- I want Soulfuse this iten. Wort it? I have almost 2000 soul Fragment.
Could you sent the link of the weapon? Just hover your cursor above it, press c and copy paste the link here. Otherwhise i wouldnt like to make any suggestion about that.
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2- Counter-parry is good for main hand?
So you play DW. Counterparry is overall good for playing DW.
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I'm playing DW with heavy power armor. i tryied some droped light armor i have and look better but is 2k hp less. And if i change to shield a lose lot of damage beacause proficience too.
First, i am a bit confused about the shield you mention. When you play with a shield, you play 1H and not DW. And yeah, that is normal, as DW you have less HP, mages have even less HP, that is just like it is, but i would suggest dont just decide your style by how much HP you have, DW shade/light is a useful playstyle without any doubts.
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3- I change to Shade armor or shield? ( I wanna change because i still can't do some arena rounds in PFUDOR)
Well, you should decide what you wanna play. 1H you should keep your power armor, with DW i really would suggest to switch for shade/light.
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post May 9 2019, 00:47
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post May 9 2019, 00:52
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QUOTE(pir3sbruno @ May 9 2019, 00:47) *
I see, well i would soulfuse it for a DW set, but that is something you should decide before you fuse, because for 1H a club isnt the best option, while as Main-Hand for DW this one could be quite usefull.
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post May 9 2019, 03:58
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I'm starting to have both an defense problem and an armor problem. I know my gear is terrible, but I would like some advice on how to fix it before I start buying random pieces from WTS

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So the reason I'm using a mace is mostly because it stuns. If everything is not stunned, I immediately start dying because my defenses are that poor.

My current plan is to buy some shade. I like the idea of shade but I rarely see it mentioned. Is power armor just better or would a couple of magnificant shade pieces work fine as a defensive layer (at least, better than my current power armor)?

Then, I can start buying better weapons. DW, NI are interesting to me, but I haven't been able to test them out since I need the mace stun. I'm also interested in how other 2H weapons compare to the mace as well.
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post May 9 2019, 04:07
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QUOTE(Firew @ May 9 2019, 03:58) *

So the reason I'm using a mace is mostly because it stuns. If everything is not stunned, I immediately start dying because my defenses are that poor.
Well, 2H is just by itself not the best style when it comes to defence, the lack of parry. You can of course play 2H with heavy/power armor, but when you do, you have because of lack of block, low evade and low parry use an armor set with high defence, which at your level is allready hard, but without any forging it is just impossible imo.
QUOTE(Firew @ May 9 2019, 03:58) *

My current plan is to buy some shade. I like the idea of shade but I rarely see it mentioned. Is power armor just better or would a couple of magnificant shade pieces work fine as a defensive layer (at least, better than my current power armor)?
So in your case if you actually want to play 2H, i would actually suggest you to switch to shade/light for the evade. Because as your set is right now, you have to just tank nearly every single attack monster do and you just dont have the mitigation to survive that. And you are absolutly right, your mace is imo everything that keeps you alive.
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post May 9 2019, 04:13
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Thanks! Luckily I already have a leather persona set up so now I'll just scope out some decent shade/light armor on WTS. And a better weapon too.

Thanks for the advice.
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post May 9 2019, 04:23
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You are welcome and good luck getting a nice set. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post May 9 2019, 06:56
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QUOTE(Finestela @ May 9 2019, 00:02) *

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Rapier. Sadly with Swift Strike, but should be faster in DwD. Just try it.
In other arenas it should be the same as your Shortsword, or a little faster.

Axe... at some point when your defense is much better.
You'll lose time healing.
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