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I think this is a good thread. I didn't use quickbar until level 270 or so, as I did not feel a need to speed up. One thing that bothers me is that the click area is offshifted to the left from where the pictures are. It caused my near death a few times. I almost gave up before I could get used to it.

I do not think this is worth mentioning in your list, but casting Heartseeker is what has killed me the most in my life, especially when first learned. The cast time is 2~3 turns. The wiki somewhere lists this incorrectly, it's outdated. When you are a low level player casting Heartseeker at the start of a game, or even at my current level because of power armor, this is a dangerous time when you could be killed.

I think your list #23 is not necessary but maybe your experience is different. Except for ring of blood, you can always run away if you discovered it. Also, at present this game is easy for low level players. Since the patch I could suddenly survive any arenas and ring of blood at pfudor from the moment they are unlocked, with either DW or 1H, although it may push me to the limit.

I disagree with #24 but because I don't have any innate arcana to prove it, perhaps I am not worthy to disagree. I feel a better strategy is to buy all at once IA3, and I can't afford it for a very long time. If you do not use any IA, you will usually get channeling and cast Heartseeker and Regen for free. At level 300 I still play the same way I did at level 250, with Shadow Veil, Haste, Absorb, and no Spirit Shield. Until I can buy a new weapon, my character is growing weaker. I don't foresee myself strong enough to change to high-level 1H style until level 350.

Your list #25 is okay advice but maybe can be removed. Players should figure this out themselves. If they died one time in learning it, that's okay. Also, I sometimes disobey your list #25. When you have upgrades, it is hard to tell where your 50% is. Using spirit potion is wasteful if the situation is still under control. So if it's close, I may cast spark and wait for my draught to activate it.

I think this is a good thread. I didn't use quickbar until level 270 or so, as I did not feel a need to speed up.

Third person who didn't know about quickbar.
Hmmm... Just can one miss it to begin with? o.o

I do not think this is worth mentioning in your list, but casting Heartseeker is what has killed me the most in my life

Yes! It killed me once or two, I recall it. I need to add about it somewhere.
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I think your list #23 is not necessary but maybe your experience is different. Except for ring of blood, you can always run away if you discovered it.

You can flee, of cource, but your token/arena chance would be waisted.
If player played arena on PFUDOR and then decided to do DwD on Normal just for trophies and forgot to change the difficulty he will lose good money for this day.
Some might say it is "too obvious" to include in the list, but even if it us obvious, we still should point on it once more. Better safe then sorry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I disagree with #24 but because I don't have any innate arcana to prove it, perhaps I am not worthy to disagree.

Innate Arcana is extremely good perk. It saves you lots of time and help you to concentrate on battle only. Also each spell recast cost few turns for you, so IA also passively protects you from monster attacks.
It is best perk you can buy, IMHO, in low-budget segment. It and Vigorous Vitality

Your list #25 is okay advice but maybe can be removed. Players should figure this out themselves. If they died one time in learning it, that's okay. Also, I sometimes disobey your list #25. When you have upgrades, it is hard to tell where your 50% is. Using spirit potion is wasteful if the situation is still under control. So if it's close, I may cast spark and wait for my draught to activate it.

Is long as your SP at least at 50% - you guaranteed will be safe. Also, one may probably use Spirit Shield spell that also require SP.
So overly having your SP high enough is good idea, but I agree that one should not waste his potions, so probably I need to rewrite this "rule" in more accurate way...
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Nice guide. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Nice guide. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Thank you. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

If you have an idea what I can/need add/improve (apart from grammar, of course (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)), the post here. Or in PM (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Excellent work, f4tal.

Dont forget to mention the "Do get a golden star as soon as possible" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) .

fatal does not have golden star, so he cannot say that. He is the hero of everyone poor. Actually my idea to play this game is that, even if someday I chose to pay money, I would consider to just buy a gold star for someone else first, and get credits. Why? Because for the time being I want to stay low level, it can generate more low level equipments that way, and I think you can be just as strong at low level if the equipment is rich. After reaching level 400+, then I would consider to buy gold star for myself.

But I don't foresee that I will play that long, or pay money. That's a discussion for elsewhere.

I always knew about the quickbar since level 30, I just didn't really care to check it out for a very long time. I am naturally a very slow player. Sometimes in real life I used to play magic or yugioh card game. I am always the slowest guy in the world, annoy all my opponents. When I play fighting game, I am always the turtle or chicken player.

At present, I use the 1H style "always attack the stunned enemy" so I play very slow and mouse hover is disabled for now.

Excellent work, f4tal.

Dont forget to mention the "Do get a golden star as soon as possible" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) .

Thanks, piyin (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Hmm, probably I really should mention it.

fatal does not have golden star, so he cannot say that.

It is true, I have no GS, but I know it is very good thing indeed. The one "double my monsters"-things is worth a fortune.

He is the hero of everyone poor.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) However, I am not completely poor. I have ~1m in my pocket. No, seriously, yes, only one million.

I always knew about the quickbar since level 30

Sorry. I understood your previous message wrong then. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

6. Do not sell items to the bazaar

Can't agree more with this.
Even if a Itemshop-Bot is actived, it doesn't worth to sell that Typ of Items to the Bazaar.
I used to buy Phazons with Itemshop-Bot and get some, but I still wonder, why the Players who can get Phazons will sell them in Bazaar.

Can't agree more with this.
Even if a Itemshop-Bot is actived, it doesn't worth to sell that Typ of Items to the Bazaar.
I used to buy Phazons with Itemshop-Bot and get some, but I still wonder, why the Players who can get Phazons will sell them in Bazaar.

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Back in a days I used Item Shop Bot to buy few High-grade Metals. Well, of course, why not? It is way more easier then visit WTS and buy them twice cheaper (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I think people should not sell their items to the bazaar at all, doesn't matter novice or expert. Even such "junk" as Scroll of Absorption may come handy to some low-levels. Neither speaking about scraps, grades or elemental bindings. And I am not talking here about money or what. more about usefulness of these items to some players. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

3.5m credits on one monster? That's ~100 crystal packs. Going by the chart (https://ehwiki.org/wiki/File:Crystal_packs_vs_PL.png) that takes you to just below PL 1080. For Po' players why not just get one's monsters up to PL 500, which is less than 10 crystal packs, or under 350K credits in today's market? That will give your monsters the chance for high grade items. For players with more cash why not just invest 7m and push your monster to PL 1200? That's where I got my first phazon IIRC. Or was OP just saying get your monster to "all chaos upgrades available"?

And while spending tons of chaos tokens on one monster may be ill-advised, maxing out that double gift chaos upgrade to whatever the monster's level allows, is an absolute must. At 3.5M credits spent on one monster you will have maximum chaos, so IMO you should at least max out double gift.

TL;DR: I would say get a bunch of monsters with 10 crystal packs per monster (PL 500) for poor newbs to get a basic chance at high grade mats, and when fairly rich, start pushing one monster at a time to nearly 7m/178 crystal packs investment to hit PL 1200, and always keep their double gifts chaos level at relative maximum along the way. This worked fabulously for me (in terms of increased performance) and I'm the biggest doubting Thomas ever! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Next issue to ponder: how long will it take for one monster to pay you back with sellable goods at 3.5m? That's ~205 high grade cloth at today's market prices by my calculations, or ~18 phazons. How long does it take to accumulate that? Now what is the cost in happy pills and monster cuisine for that same period? This is important to consider; I have yet to get anything close to adequate payback from my one monster.

This post has been edited by jacquelope: Oct 14 2017, 08:33

can I make a small suggestion?

The yellow exclamation mark triangle, plust the all-caps DO and DON'T make it a bit, how you say that in proper English, schoolteachery? You know, stern, pointing a finger:
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While it's only some gentle suggestions, some pointers to help newbies going in the right direction
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Could we make it a bit more like the second picture, the tone-of-voice?

I don't interpret it that way, but perhaps better safe than sorry. I dunno.

For players with more cash why not just invest 7m and push your monster to PL 1200? That's where I got my first phazon IIRC.

I got a phazon 1 day after making my first monster, near PL 25. It just has to get a kill. I have got nothing particularly good since from any of my 3 monsters. A few wins, which tend to give bindings, but no kills.

Fatal wants us all to make weak monsters though, so the game is easier for players. Hmm. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Hey I just had an idea! Dying sucks because then you waste your time and need to repair, but what if you die deliberately and naked? Let's all get naked, go to each other's monsters, and let them kill us! Then perhaps we will get a lot of crystallized phazons at no cost?

According to the wiki "there is a cooldown on how often a player can count as a repeat win." Not sure if this means a particular player+monster pairing, or just a particular player to anyone.

This post has been edited by BlueWaterSplash: Oct 14 2017, 14:52

Hey I just had an idea! [...] Let's all get naked!

I like that idea! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I like that idea! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

me too. i'd love to encounter my busties, all naked! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

Following the above discussion nope.
Both pl increasing and chaosing are wasteful.

Gift factor is not worth it anymore either. Too small result with a too heavy chaosing.
And PL does not increase your chance of getting a rare.

Just create 200 low pl monster first, trust me.

Following the above discussion nope.
Both pl increasing and chaosing are wasteful.

Gift factor is not worth it anymore either. Too small result with a too heavy chaosing.
And PL does not increase your chance of getting a rare.

Just create 200 low pl monster first, trust me.

Yeah but as I said then you gotta feed and happy pill them, fast no less because they're low PL.

Yeah but as I said then you gotta feed and happy pill them, fast no less because they're low PL.

Morale drain rate change is so low that again, not worth it.
To pay back PL 1100 you need 3000/4000 pills (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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You have been defeated.
Opensuse (1503, Nero-Arc) hits you for 869 crushing damage.
Rowdy Ronda Rousey (1218, jacquelope) uses Armbar Submission, and hits you for 2247 slashing damage

In my recent wild and naked excursion, one of jacquelope's monsters actually defeated me, before scremaz made me put some clothes on. He's only level 389 and a free player, so that gives me hope that my current three monsters can reach a permanent PL some day. I will probably make the rest a scavenge army as suggested.

Unfortunately, I think Nero-Arc's monster got the killing blow, so no crystallized phazon for jacquelope.

so that gives me hope that my current three monsters can reach a permanent PL some day.

What is a permanent PL? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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You have been defeated.
Opensuse (1503, Nero-Arc) hits you for 869 crushing damage.
Rowdy Ronda Rousey (1218, jacquelope) uses Armbar Submission, and hits you for 2247 slashing damage

In my recent wild and naked excursion, one of jacquelope's monsters actually defeated me, before scremaz made me put some clothes on. He's only level 389 and a free player, so that gives me hope that my current three monsters can reach a permanent PL some day. I will probably make the rest a scavenge army as suggested.

Unfortunately, I think Nero-Arc's monster got the killing blow, so no crystallized phazon for jacquelope.

Woah. Someone has encountered one of my monsters. Sorry that happened to you. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)