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In my opinion, the option to stop hovering upon detection of 50% life or any other conditions, is a violation of rule #3 and #5. The option to hover at all, is a violation of rule #1 and #2.

They are violate the rules technically, however Tenboro allowed us to use these features after long-long discussions.
The idea is that Tenboro has a heart of gold and this is practically all. =)

This post has been edited by f4tal: Sep 14 2017, 11:09

In my opinion, the option to stop hovering upon detection of 50% life or any other conditions, is a violation of rule #3 and #5. The option to hover at all, is a violation of rule #1 and #2.

I expected that Monsterbation and hovering (perhaps even with the automatic features to stop) are allowed by Tenboro. But even so, I have to wonder, what are the rules and what is cheating? If Tenboro allows that (even though I believe it breaks the written 5 rules)

said options *may be* violations, but they have been allowed:

discussed (and when needed bargained a bit) all of them, one by one. iirc i let a link hanging around at the start of thread script for coders' sake.

i was there discussing with Tenboro, and i know what he has told me. parts of said discussions have been left on monsterbation discussion thread as memento. feel free to check them.
plus, sickentide understood better than me what he can and what he cannot do. monsterbation is quite safe to use - unless policy change happen.

why can't I also ask to improve Monsterbation by...using 1H style automatically spread my attacks to target only stunned monsters...using 1H style stop attacking when a monster stun disappears...using DW style calculate exactly the amount of BW damage and stop attacking the monster once he will bleed out, etc?

because that's parsing live datas and actually using it. stopping on thresholds would be that as well, but has been made a specific exception for that. solving the reason which brought to a stop still has to be done manually, and that's the line.
if you want to improve your monsterbation in such a way, i can spare you the effort and tell you where to download tools designed specifically for that reason. i take absolutely no responsibility in case something bad happens to your account (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

They are violate the rules technically, however Tenboro allowed us to use these features after long-long discussions.
The idea is that Tenboro has a heart of gold and this is practically all. =)

more likely he's been made to realize that a hovering system without checking stop conditions would be quite hard to use. only my speculation, but knowing features of certain bots there's the chance it actually helped him a bit as well (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

It depends, you should never directly ping e-hentai/hentaiverse but always alt.hentaiverse.org.
Pinging cloudflare is completely useless to determine HV speed.
It should probably be added in the top post.

Add. thanks, I constantly forgetting about alt~subdomin =)

- I have no idea why Iron Browser is recommended, the only reason it was suggested in the past was because you could add userscripts without tampermonkey.
Since last versions don't even have that feature it's much easier to just use chromium directly, which is updated more often (in particular I would use a [crportable.sourceforge.net] portable version).

Actually just an old habit to recommend it in every case, I have changed to Chromium. Thanks

- You should probably not use your regular browser for hentaiverse since extensions, history etc etc will probably slow down your tps (Firefox in particular will not perform well at all unless used with a clean profile).

Added.

- How can defrag help when the browser mostly resides in memory? It's easy to check that browsers don't do any meaningful disk activity.
- Why is CCleaner recommended? How can removing unnecessary files speed up HV (also see previous point)?

It say:
>>> Some folks are saying that cleaning your PC is good step to make it run faster (not only for HentaiVerse, but overall), but that advice is based, mostly, on rumors - it may be helpful or may not.
>>> Again, some people say that defrag should increase the speed, some tell that it should not - lots of opinions here, but it is ALWAYS a good idea to defrag your HDD - it will not make things worse.
Since people WILL clean their PC anyway, it is better to give them link to good reliably program than to some semi-cleaners that may make things worse.
As for defragging - it is not about the browser and HentaiVerse but mostly about overall experience. Defragging will not make things worse (compare to cleaners) so this is no harm to do that procedure anyway
Or i am wrong here?

- Who ever saw HV slowed down by background services? Also no one without a decent technical knowledge should attempt to identify background services. I saw my fair share of people disabling windows services to speed up their system. They all ended up with the same speed and a crippled windows installation.

Not HentaiVerse, but bandwidth itself. I haven't talked about windows services, but mostly about regular software like messengers or downloaders.

as for credits limits: giving conservative amounts is fine, but if the vast majority of users earn, saying, 1.4M from them, underestimating it to 800k may lead to users think it's not worth it - when in fact it could one of their main sources of income. eventually add a 10% spread, but that's that imo. (*)

Well, I guess your are right here

one newbie may want to sell them at first for quick credits, and start shrining them lately.

Good observation! I will add it. Thanks

as for auctions, i'd say suggest them to put themselves an upper limit in order not to hurt themselves too much.

Sorry, do not understand you here =]

last but not the least, some hints about how to improve your PC's health (like using CCleaner) are common knowledge and are fine, but don't forget we have a Tech section here - which is frequently lurked by a couple global mods, so it's most likely one of the safest and most user-friendly ones. don't be afraid to send them there.

I will put link. Thanks

Sorry, do not understand you here =]

knowing sort-of a maximum budget will help you not going bankrupt.

also, did you mention the level thing? spending 50k for a lv500 armor is useless if you're lv200

knowing sort-of a maximum budget will help you not going bankrupt.

also, did you mention the level thing? spending 50k for a lv500 armor is useless if you're lv200

yep, it is really important info.
I wasted many due to this.

also, did you mention the level thing? spending 50k for a lv500 armor is useless if you're lv200

Yes, mentioned =)

- Who ever saw HV slowed down by background services? Also no one without a decent technical knowledge should attempt to identify background services. I saw my fair share of people disabling windows services to speed up their system. They all ended up with the same speed and a crippled windows installation.

I did.
I can't explain how exactly, but at least I'm pretty sure that disabling as many services and background processes reduced significantly my disk activity, which in return made my browser (in particular my portable Chrome) more responsive. I suppose it'd due to Windows management of the free RAM that had much more data being transfered between the RAM and the ROM when there are much more things RAM cached (that have been started since the launch of the computer).

I got a way better speed on my installation, which is not crippled in any way. I do acknowledge the fact that it's fairly easy to do it wrong and cripple the system, if you don't know exactly what you're doing. Heck I've been through this step in the past.

Protip:
Sometimes when I feel like I have frequent small delays while hovering, rebooting Windows fixes the issue.

Well in my opinion rule #1 and #2 should be explicitly allowed anyway, especially in consideration of the fact that mouse hovering (without stop checking) is identical to the keyboard "1,2,3" method anyway. The others are where it gets tricky. :)

solving the reason which brought to a stop still has to be done manually, and that's the line.

In that case, the slightly reduced abilities...using 1H style stop attacking when a monster stun disappears...using DW style stop attacking a target below 5% health when BW icon is present (no check for BW stack or HP calculation)...could these be allowed?

In that case, the slightly reduced abilities...using 1H style stop attacking when a monster stun disappears...using DW style stop attacking a target below 5% health when BW icon is present (no check for BW stack or HP calculation)...could these be allowed?

sounds a tiny bit like parsing and exploiting live datas to me...

could these be allowed?

Fishy thing if you asked me...
As for stun thing, I bet 70% - illegal, 30% - legal.
As for 5% gap, I bet 80% - illegal, 20% - legal.
I will not say they are violate rules too much and may be allowed if Tenboro would have a good attitude
However, do not try to make such scripts without Tenboro's permission. Monsterbation is a result of debates and long discussion both between players and between community and admin. It is "a parity", if you allowed that completely legal according to admin's decision. Whatever content Monsterbation has - you can freely use it.

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Long time ago we had LOTS of scripts for battle managing, just few that comes in mind: Reloader, HVStat, CracklingCast, Hoverplay, MeleeLighting, HVMA - and these are just BIG ones; we also had, guess, ~30 scripts for various little stuff (show rounds, show gems, show monster data, show extra quickbar, etc).

At some point, after one patch, most of this script were broken and community took the idea of creating one single script that would have all battle-wise features, but not only make it, but also be 100% sure that such script will be greelighted from admin itself... months later Monsterbation was born.

If you REALLY want to see how fragmented script field was before Monsterbation , welcome to this thread/post

This post has been edited by f4tal: Sep 14 2017, 21:25

As for stun thing, I bet 70% - illegal, 30% - legal.
As for 5% gap, I bet 80% - illegal, 20% - legal.
I will not say they are violate rules too much and may be allowed if Tenboro would have a good attitude

pretty sure they wouldn't. i mean, stopping on HP/MP/SP thresholds has been made an exception, not the rule. such tricky things, uh... i guess we're more on 95/5%

At some point, after one patch, most of this script were broken and community took the idea of creating one single script that would have all battle-wise features, but not only make it, but also be 100% sure that such script will be greelighted from admin itself... months later Monsterbation was born.

actually a hovering script appeared quite soon, and community was starting to patch the old ones with that.
a certain someone seized the chance to shorten compendium, get rid of all those noisy forks and having for the first time an actually sanctioned script. community gladly welcomed it.

actually a hovering script appeared quite soon, and community was starting to patch the old ones with that.
a certain someone seized the chance to shorten compendium, get rid of all those noisy forks and having for the first time an actually sanctioned script. community gladly welcomed it.

You know that story better =)

, uh... i guess we're more on 95/5%

You give almost no hope for such ideas, I am giving them at least some chance =)

You know that story better =)

i just happened to read something here and there...

You give almost no hope for such ideas, I am giving them at least some chance =)

not my fault. at least he knows what not to do.

>>> Some folks are saying that cleaning your PC is good step to make it run faster (not only for HentaiVerse, but overall), but that advice is based, mostly, on rumors - it may be helpful or may not.
>>> Again, some people say that defrag should increase the speed, some tell that it should not - lots of opinions here, but it is ALWAYS a good idea to defrag your HDD - it will not make things worse.
Since people WILL clean their PC anyway, it is better to give them link to good reliably program than to some semi-cleaners that may make things worse.

Ok, all good and I agree (I use CCleaner myself), but that really has nothing to do with HV but more with good rules for having a long lasting windows box.
I would put it in a separate post maybe (Third post? A separate section with sligtly different color/header? I don't know)? It kinda seems like another topic entirely.

As for defragging - it is not about the browser and HentaiVerse but mostly about overall experience. Defragging will not make things worse (compare to cleaners) so this is no harm to do that procedure anyway
Or i am wrong here?

If they have an SSD it would do them no good I guess.
And the latest versions of windows alrerady do 1 defrag/week so I'm not sure what a normal user may do.
He may do the right thing or may download a crap software.
I don't know, it's a complex topic if you dig deeper (linux is another story entirely for example since ext filesystems really behave differently than NTSC in this regard).

Not HentaiVerse, but bandwidth itself. I haven't talked about windows services, but mostly about regular software like messengers or downloaders.

Which may even run as a service (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
I don't know, I always think that non-technical people shouldn't try to fix something they don't understand.
I would at least add a warning.

I don't know, I always think that non-technical people shouldn't try to fix something they don't understand.

which is why those pesky 1-click-and-optimize-all-omg-wonderful software have so much success.

don't know, I always think that non-technical people shouldn't try to fix something they don't understand.
I would at least add a warning.

I totally agree with every your word about tech stuff and according to Scremaz comment above, put a link to Tech Chat forum, so user may ask here for help and such.
As for "it is enterelly different topic" - yes and no. You see, some people do say (see above) that defragmentation helps them, some say it should not at all - it is all opinions and debatable. So I decided to put everything together with telling that some action *should* make HentaiVerse run faster, but other *may*. Just let them all be together.

As for my specs - windows 7 with 4x HDD (no SSD) and I an using CCleaner too - IMHO the only good cleaner without any lie in it, and defragging with standard windows utility.

This post has been edited by f4tal: Sep 15 2017, 00:08

1. Stop clicking, start hovering (or Monsterbation to rescue)
How are playing HentaiVerse?
Are you clicking on each monster to kill them?
If so, then you should stop doing it right now!
Let's compare clicking and hovering mechanics, so you clearly see the difference.

(warning, 7mb GIF)
So, hovering is not just FASTER, but it also EASIER and more HANDY than regular clicking.
But how can you start hovering?
Easy enough - start using Monsterbation script. Visit the Scripts & Tools wiki page and download latest version of Monsterbation.
Monsterbation script is basically all-in-one Swiss-knife for battle. It gives you shortcuts, lots of features and most importantly - ability to attack enemies by hovering on them.

Hovering is legal method of attacking and whole Monsterbation script is legal, so you will not get ban, do not worry.
Monsterbation is developed and supported by sickentide.

This interested me because sometimes even pressing the keys on the keyboard to kill the monsters down the row aggravates my carpal tunnel.

I tried this script and yay, it works. It's my first ever because I finally got scripts to work once I disabled Adblock Plus, which was interfering with things, and have been using uBlock Origin instead. So anyway, hovering over monsters to kill them is the single most laziest way to play HV ever, it's awesome.

My question is, how do I get rid of all the extra shit all over the page? I just want to be able to hover without all the numbers and monster info all over the place. And it goes to the next page automatically. It's instant and way too fast. But it's pretty decent if you're a really lazy player. How do I unclutter the page to make it look the way it does in that animated gif?

This post has been edited by Sesshomaru Moon: Sep 15 2017, 01:30

My question is, how do I get rid of all the extra shit all over the page? I just want to be able to hover without all the numbers and monster info all over the place. And it goes to the next page automatically. It's instant and way too fast. But it's pretty decent if you're a really lazy player. How do I unclutter the page to make it look the way it does in that animated gif?

you have to manually edit the script - that is, open it in the script manager of your browser.

at the start, below this line:

CODE

// vvv SETTINGS vvv //

you'll find all the options to configure, with an explanation for each of them. so, for example, modify showCooldowns = true into false if you want to remove numbers on spell cells, showDurations = true into false to remove number on procs on mob cells, and so on.

this should go on until you find this line:

CODE

// ^^^ SETTINGS ^^^ //

be careful not to remove commas and point/commas when present.

Yes, Monsterbation has lots of features and functions, because it was purposed to be all-in-one battle script.
Just open the script in any text editor (even notepad will go) - you will see lots of options at the beggining of the script with switchers true/false - just read the explanation and change I them in whatever way you like.
As for advance to next round - there is should be an option called something like "use ajax to advance to next round" change it to false.
Basically, you spend time to check settings and configure in whatever way you like. You should do it once, save and play. Like spend your time once, take a benefit for long time. =)

As for scripts - if you never used then before, then check more script at wiki page (see compendium link in my signature).
You may be interested by
1. Smart Monster Lab - everything you ever need for monster managing: sorting/filtering/new features
2. Smart Search - find any item or equip in WTS/WTB sections with openinh a single thread
3. HVtoolBox - multi-bazaaring/salvaging/repairing/moggling, and many more

If you have question about the scripts or configuration - welcome to script thread =)

Thanks so much! I think I got it where I want it. I went from mostly playing with my left hand before this to playing with my right hand now with little to no pressure. I just hover and drool. Supreme laziness is epic.

This post has been edited by Sesshomaru Moon: Sep 15 2017, 03:53