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If we could group tags without making them obsolete, this would allow an easy introduction of a nonenglish tag (for example). which would include all non english (and non j) language tags, thus allowing for easy exclusion of non-english and non-j galleries (which is something some have asked for, and I'd like to see, too).

Permanently convert certain tags rather than just grouping them.

Certain search words are prone to produce a "too many tags" error because of grouping. A solution is to allow a tag to be grouped "as alias". So while English, English Language, and Eng are logical tags, the others in this list should be "blacklisted" and converted to "English". That way, the search engine won't search for all of the words when searching for "English" which is how I assume it works currently.

Permanently convert certain tags rather than just grouping them.

Certain search words are prone to produce a "too many tags" error because of grouping. A solution is to allow a tag to be grouped "as alias". So while English, English Language, and Eng are logical tags, the others in this list should be "blacklisted" and converted to "English". That way, the search engine won't search for all of the words when searching for "English" which is how I assume it works currently.

Which tags would these be? Your example of English didn't produce it.

Which tags would these be? Your example of English didn't produce it.

Huh... I am sure "eng" produced it earlier, probably due to being part of something else in addition to the english group (I've often had to use "english" instead, which worked). Too bad I didn't test it just before posting; perhaps the limit was increased. Though it's not the best example, "girl" does the same.

It would still be nice to implement the system though, as I believe it future proofs it, takes some load off the search engine, and it just makes more sense to not keep these misspellings.

Quick edit:

How it would work would be...
- If someone tags "emglish", the tag is converted permanently to "english", since "emglish" is registered as an alias of that.
- If someone searches "emglish", they would search for "emglish", it's alias "english" and all registered synonyms to "english" ("eng" and "english language"). It would not search for "englisch", "engllish", etc (which would always have been converted to "english").

This post has been edited by Ichizon: May 21 2011, 03:36

Would be nice to have a language filter option. It's kind of annoying sometimes to see the same manga 20 times and not being able to tell which is in what language since long titles always get cut off. Would make it much easier to browse since most people would only ever want to see items in the original language or their native language.

Easiest way I can think of would be to add something that lets users tag the language without having to type anything to avoid having 10+ different tags for the same language. Maybe a row of buttons or something under the description box.

No opinions on this? Everyone?

I agree that language filter would be a big improvement.

I also think that the tag alone is not enough. Or I should say that language is an important attribute for doujinshi, but (may) not for other categories.

My suggestion:
1. Uploaders of doujin category must specify the language of the doujinshi uploaded.
2. Just like the "What categories would you like to view as default on the front page?" in Settings, user may have a "Language you want to view/searched with default options"

In this setting page, users can specify the language they want to see on the main page and to be applied in search.

For example, a user turn on "English" and "Japanese" will not see the galleries of other language in the main page and search results.

Hope that such change won't cause a big re-work on the existing database ... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I have a suggestion concerning tags.

Presently, Shadow Weaver is(was?) keeping all tags on galleries restricted to a set of proper tags, and we have a system of tag grouping ( https://e-hentai.org/tools.php?act=taggroup ) which converts misspellings and various variants of proper tags to proper tags. So tags are divided into following categories:

1) proper tags,
2) variants of proper tags which redirect to proper tags (greyed out)
3) blacklisted tags, which redirect to nothing but still can't be tagged (greyed out)
4) gray area, all the tags never considered either proper or bad.

1) and 4) are currently indistinguishable from each other.

It seems there's a tendency to vote down the gray area tags without any reason better than to 'avoid clutter'. I don't think this should be done - even if we are controlling and pruning some part of the tag space, that doesn't mean we should suppress all variants and shades of fetishes people have tagged just because we don't like them.

So I propose the following modifications to gallery page:

1) Make the proper tags look different from gray area tags (those not present in the tag groups in any form) so we can see what are proper tags and what aren't
2) Sort the tags on gallery page by their type: first proper tags, then their redirected variants, then misspellings and at the end the gray area. Currently they don't seem to be sorted by anything at all, which isn't useful.
3) Make a checkbox near to gallery page, so the grey area tags can be completely hidden. This way people who hate the 'clutter' and vote them down will be able to turn the 'clutter' off instead of voting down tags useful to others. Checkbox should be on the gallery page and not in settings so it would be possible to flip the setting on and off instantly rather than by having to visit settings to flip it. It would be best if it was preserved between gallery pages and different galleries, not local to a page load.
4) Currently tags are sorted by their vote count, from highest to lowest. I don't think that's especially useful. Make a setting that would allow us to sort them alphabetically within a category instead. That would be more useful because the tags wouldn't jump around when we're voting on them.
5) There's a long-standing bug in galleries: you visit a gallery page, you see tags, some of them are greyed out. You downvote the greyed out tag, and *sometimes* all the other greyed out tags don't show as greyed out anymore. Then you have to reload the page to make them greyed out again. This is annoying, and I don't think it should be happening.

This post has been edited by Dlaglacz: May 29 2011, 11:59

I still would like to see the tag color-divided into fetish, character, and name elements (parody, author, circle). Like on the -boorus.

And yes, it is a dead horse, but I would love to see tags applied to images, not just galleries. Then our system would make the entire booru-verse obsolete (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: May 30 2011, 23:39

I still would like to see the tag color-divided into fetish, character, and name elements (parody, author, circle). Like on the -boorus.

And yes, it is a dead horse, but I would love to see tags applied to images, not just galleries. Then our system would make the entire booru-verse obsolete :)

I've been so much for this ever since I came here. Especially the coloured tags part. And it should allow for multiple tags for the same name.

On the image-part, it should be content-relevant, but I don't think that tags should be suppressed for not being prevalent enough. I don't think we should use certain tags like "white", "shirt", etc. like the boorus do (too common; no fetish). While Dlaglacz' greyed out function could work in junction with that, I find it counter-productive. A good way to implement it would be to add tag moderation for new tags (just for initial approval/ban), and let the current blacklist system be used simply as a form of auto-correct.

Overtagging is only a made up issue, apart from perhaps adding some strain to the search engine. Searching for "big breasts" will yield images with big breasts, regardless of what other tags there are. And certain fetishes are rarely prevalent enough to be used as it is now.

Edit: I'd also like to see Dlaglacz' 4th point implemented. Sorting alphabetically is much better. Though, perhaps separate the ones under the tag threshold from the ones above, so it's easy to look for things to up/downvote. I don't really see much of an incentive to vote for things above 10 at the moment, unless I'm downvoting a parallel tag that is higher and wrong. If booru-style tagging is implemented, people could even choose how they'd want to sort stuff.

This post has been edited by Ichizon: May 31 2011, 16:27

4) Currently tags are sorted by their vote count, from highest to lowest. I don't think that's especially useful. Make a setting that would allow us to sort them alphabetically within a category instead. That would be more useful because the tags wouldn't jump around when we're voting on them.

As long as this is just an option and not the default setting then I agree.

And it should allow for multiple tags for the same name.

Not even the -boorus do that. Tag grouping takes care of multiple spellings; there just needs to be a way to see them all within a click of the tag (e.g. "show all tags linked to this tag").

On the image-part, it should be content-relevant, but I don't think that tags should be suppressed for not being prevalent enough.

If I search for big breasts and get a gallery of 200 images, I'd prefer that it not be because only 1 image applied to that tag which I will then have to hunt for.

A good way to implement it would be to add tag moderation for new tags (just for initial approval/ban), and let the current blacklist system be used simply as a form of auto-correct.

You do know we just had our last tag moderator step down right? Increasing the workload is probably not the best idea at this time. Also, we already have a tagging thread to discuss whether a tag should be grouped/blacklisted, which allows for debate and discussion rather than simply voting.

Overtagging is only a made up issue

Uhhhh, no. It's a non-visible issue thanks to the hard work of Shadow_Weaver and the other taggers keeping most of the galleries clean of superfluousness tags.

Remember that the -boorus can be meticulous because they tag singular images, not whole comics / galleries. This site has an over 175,000 galleries of images versus say Danbooru which has less than 900,000 images.

On the multiple tags of the same name, I meant that there should be a difference between "Artist: X" and "Fetish: X". This is mainly due to the colour aspect, and is an obvious flaw in the booru systems. If there exists two "Artist:X", I don't see a reason to separate them. It's not impossible; it would be nice and useful if "exact tag searches" were possible (search by tag id), but I don't think it's really an issue for searchers.

You do know we just had our last tag moderator step down right? Increasing the workload is probably not the best idea at this time. Also, we already have a tagging thread to discuss whether a tag should be grouped/blacklisted, which allows for debate and discussion rather than simply voting.

You misunderstand this part completely. Moderating tags that way would reduce the workload. If someone tagged "english", it would go in for approval the first time, and if it's accepted, it can be tagged, if it's rejected, it can't be tagged (blacklisted). Of course, this isn't about whether or not it's present in the gallery, but whether or not the tag is considered "valid".

Uhhhh, no. It's a non-visible issue thanks to the hard work of Shadow_Weaver and the other taggers keeping most of the galleries clean of superfluousness tags.

By overtagging, I mean the practice of using many tags in a gallery. A gallery can't be cluttered with tags, as it only makes it more visible for relevant searches.

I very much agree with the "one image of 200" logic. On that note, I think it's silly to tag a loli doujinshi with "big breasts" because they spent a page or two in a classroom with their teacher, with no relation to the story sexually.

As it stands though, I'm not allowed to tag "band aid" when it occurs in say 2 images of 20. Because of the rarity of "band aid" mixed with how it's generally used (i.e. not in every image of a story), I think it would be acceptable to use it in that case. Try finding 'any' doujinshi with band aid in it now, I challenge you. There are several of them. Hell, try finding a gallery with any "idol"-character in it, not being from Idolm@ster. I am fairly sure they've all been downvoted to oblivion as well, because people are clueless to what doesn't interest themselves.

I also think anthologies should be taggable like this on a per-story basis. It seems only certain tags like "swimsuit" and "urination" have this privilege currently. 10% (one in 10), heck even 5% (one in 20), is a whole lot different than 0.5% (one in 200), or even 2% (one in 50). I'm not saying it should be booru-lax on tags, but I just never thought the tag system here was any good. You can't search for anything exciting/new. Aside from searching for the generic "big breasts"-type tags or conventions, you have to search directly for authors or names you know. The tag system is nearly useless for rarer fetishes.

Also note that most of my argument is based on doujinshi and manga-type galleries. I don't personally care much for pure image galleries, and I do believe they're different. Stories are more limited in how prevalent certain tags 'can' be, unless you count the single odd case. This is also why I suggested tag weights long ago, so you can have weak tags and strong tags, and also search thereby. So if you want a gallery that may have one image you like, that would be possible, while others might want to filter them out. Sadly, the suggestion didn't get much traction.

Remember that the -boorus can be meticulous because they tag singular images, not whole comics / galleries.

I acknowledge this, but I think the way tagging has been done up until now is way too harsh; counter-productive. That said, I never had any issues finding any image I was looking for in a booru, by combining include and exclude words. I don't see the point in tagging "stupid", non-fetish elements though.


Edit: Added URL.

This post has been edited by Ichizon: May 31 2011, 18:49

And yes, it is a dead horse, but I would love to see tags applied to images, not just galleries. Then our system would make the entire booru-verse obsolete (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I will put this idea to bed right now. There is a limit to how many images you can look at in a day, tagging each image individually could easily result in a 503 error before you finished tagging a single gallery even with more pages perks. I full 2000 image gallery can take about 5-10 minutes to tag. If it was possible to tag it by images, it would easily take hours.

This post has been edited by Shadow Weaver: Jun 1 2011, 06:49

If someone tagged "english", it would go in for approval the first time, and if it's accepted, it can be tagged, if it's rejected, it can't be tagged (blacklisted). Of course, this isn't about whether or not it's present in the gallery, but whether or not the tag is considered "valid".

And who gets to make that approval/disapproval decision? Sounds an awful lot like what's already being done just with more discussions here on the forums (or rather is having its position hopefully refilled). Tags are all allowed by default and when something that needs grouping / blacklisting becomes prominent enough people will post it in this thread.

As it stands though, I'm not allowed to tag "band aid" when it occurs in say 2 images of 20. Because of the rarity of "band aid" mixed with how it's generally used (i.e. not in every image of a story), I think it would be acceptable to use it in that case.

Errr, tags have nothing to do with the percentage of images that involve them in a gallery or the rarity of the fetish. 5+ images of something taggable means it gets the tag (most of the time), regardless of if that is out of 100 images in a gallery. Rarer things like band-aids (which is a brand name btw) get the same treatment, because

1) Otherwise we have to determine whether a tag qualifies as "rare" enough to get special treatment.
2) We get the same issue of someone wanting band-aid stuff really badly only to come across it being 1-2 images that are buried in a 100+ image gallery.

There's no easy way to please those with rarer fetishes without tagging individual images which is what -booru site do.

I never had any issues finding any image I was looking for in a booru, by combining include and exclude words.

Looking for 1 image with something is very different than an entire gallery which needs to contain a decent amount of that same something.

This site has its own approach so those looking for rarer fetishes who are also satisfied with singular unconnected pictures will always be better off at a -booru site.

[...] tagging each image individually could easily result in a 503 error before you finished tagging a single gallery even more pages perks.

You don't have to tag everything. Tag what you see and what interests you. Someone else will come by and tag other things eventually. As it is now, there's quite an effort made to suppress tags that could be valid. It's not about trying to completely tag a gallery and then lock it up as "done", but allow people to tag more in-depth. It doesn't have to be complete.

And who gets to make that approval/disapproval decision?

It reduces moderation of weird tags. It wouldn't take long to approve/reject most common tags, and the odd one will appear once in a while. If this system is added at all, there's not much in the way of making an automatic list for it, where people with vote power can vote up or down. Say +100 for acceptance, -100 for rejection. Of course, someone would have to moderate behind the scenes in case of mistakes, like the current tag blacklist.

Why Tenboro doesn't appoint more moderators, I don't know. There wouldn't be too much in the way of that, but I guess he likes to keep it to a few decision-makers to avoid arguments. Even without any specific system, I doubt simply approving or disapproving tags would take that much extra time, when someone is moderating them anyway. Perhaps only if they are making bad decisions that people end up complaining about.

5+ images of something taggable means it gets the tag (most of the time), regardless of if that is out of 100 images in a gallery.

That's a blatant lie. Maybe that's how you work, but that's not how things have been taken care of earlier. It has been based on prevalence; an unlisted percentage which varies with the tagger.

1) Otherwise we have to determine whether a tag qualifies as "rare" enough to get special treatment.

My whole point is to not give special treatment. Tag if it's there, but use logic, and don't tag things that have no relevance (like my teacher analogy in my previous post).

2) We get the same issue of someone wanting band-aid stuff really badly only to come across it being 1-2 images that are buried in a 100+ image gallery.

And how exactly does it hurt people who search for other things? It makes the gallery at all discoverable. Note that this is exactly why tag weights could be an important feature. It would allow the gallery to be found at all, AND it would allow for the gallery to be ignored if someone only wants to find galleries where it is prevalent.

There's no easy way to please those with rarer fetishes without tagging individual images which is what -booru site do.

Tag weights. Read it.

Looking for 1 image with something is very different than an entire gallery which needs to contain a decent amount of that same something.

The thing you don't get about these rarer fetishes is that it doesn't always have to be many images of it. It's that the element is part of a larger story that is interesting. Of course, people could just be looking for the image as well. Better to find it than not.

This site has its own approach so those looking for rarer fetishes who are also satisfied with singular unconnected pictures will always be better off at a -booru site.

You don't find doujinshi and manga at a booru site... If booru sites had that in the first place, as well as a decent way of viewing galleries (their way of that is horrible), this site would probably not have gained as much popularity as it did the past years. This is just guesswork though, but I am sure most people look for single images in boorus rather than bothering with the 95% shit "image set" galleries on this site. Boorus are a sort of master gallery for single images that way, giving the user full filtering control.

This site is mainly for viewing proper image sets: doujinshi, manga and proper game/artist CG sets. It includes western and asian sets, but the image set and misc categories are mainly a mess in my opinion.

Edit: Before it gets commented out of someone desperately looking for arguments, yes, you do find some manga stuff on boorus. The point is that it doesn't really have a system for handling it. You can't view it in any decent fashion, and you can't upload/download them as you can here.

This post has been edited by Ichizon: Jun 1 2011, 04:31

Someone else will come by and tag other things eventually.

Ahahahahahahahahaha, no. There are very few reliable taggers, even less with decent voting power, and even less who will look through every single image in a gallery with a fine-tooth comb.

It's not about trying to completely tag a gallery and then lock it up as "done", but allow people to tag more in-depth. It doesn't have to be complete.

Fair enough, but the regular content tagging is barely getting done as it is.

It wouldn't take long to approve/reject most common tags

Having an whitelist system for tags would be better I agree, but using the existing system it could likely be made ready much faster.

Edit: nvm, a whitelist has serious problems of its own.

If this system is added at all, there's not much in the way of making an automatic list for it, where people with vote power can vote up or down. Say +100 for acceptance, -100 for rejection. Of course, someone would have to moderate behind the scenes in case of mistakes, like the current tag blacklist.

This sounds more and more like a crappy version of what we already have since it replaces the ability to discuss and relies instead on groupthink. Most people will just vote whatever is in front of them without thinking, especially at a high enough vote count. And once again, you need moderators which we do not have.

That's a blatant lie. Maybe that's how you work, but that's not how things have been taken care of earlier. It has been based on prevalence; an unlisted percentage which varies with the tagger.

It's both, and it doesn't really matter. Fundamentally a lack of enough content means no tag one way or another. Percentage isn't brought up as often since most galleries are not 400+ images with 10 images of one tag. This is the problem of random galleries without solid themes.

And how exactly does it hurt people who search for other things?

I never said it did, it hurts the guy looking for band-aids. Again, 2 images out of 100 isn't quite for what he is looking. Doesn't matter if he's told which image #s they are either. If he's happy with very few images he'd be better off at the -boorus.

Also, this isn't just about fetishes, but about characters, series names, artists, and other things that get tagged. A single 300+ random image gallery alone would require hours upon hours of work.

Tag weights. Read it.

More work. Either someone (or everyone) has to judge how strong the tag applies or do a count of the images involving that tag.

The thing you don't get about these rarer fetishes is that it doesn't always have to be many images of it. It's that the element is part of a larger story that is interesting. Of course, people could just be looking for the image as well. Better to find it than not.

In a perfect world yes, but again this requires ludicrous amounts of work both to program and from the community. The few reliable taggers will have to (1) judge what fetishes can be tagged and with what tags, (2) carefully tag literally millions of individual images keeping an eye open for every possible tag that applies to it, and (3) give weight to these tags relative to how much it makes up of the gallery.

Boorus are a sort of master gallery for single images that way, giving the user full filtering control.

Exactly, let them keep that niche I say. Also remember, they don't allow duplicate images, which cuts down on the workload and keeps the flow of new images coming in at a reasonable level.

This post has been edited by Maximum_Joe: Jun 1 2011, 07:43

You don't have to tag everything. Tag what you see and what interests you. Someone else will come by and tag other things eventually.

I'd bet it wouldn't. At least not well done.

Why Tenboro doesn't appoint more [gallery] moderators, I don't know.

Who is he going to trust with that?
The current moderators are reviled (maybe not ghosty, but he doesn't do much. Or didn't last I paid attention)
When I was still active in expunging, I was the only one who didn't have my head up my ass (see the rules vote I broke my posting ban to comment on and got my ban extended. I proclaimed doom and gloom and they voted UNANIMOUSLY for it. That gaping hole still is there to be exploited...), and there is absolutely no way Tenboro would appoint me to that.

If I search for big breasts and get a gallery of 200 images, I'd prefer that it not be because only 1 image applied to that tag which I will then have to hunt for.

Ex-frigin'-rulty.

At the same time, I hate missing images of my favorite characters, because the only copy we have is a one page in some obscure dojin, and our rules say we don't tag single page character occurrence.

I am with Ichizon on this one.

And yes, anthologies are a mess. We should be able to tag them on some "chapter" basis. We have a rule that full books replace chapters, but in fact that hurts the tagging categorization, as the sortable chapters get merged into one anthology. How many times I had downloaded an entire anthology and then spend minutes searching for few pages that were tagged with something I cared about? Sigh.

You do know we just had our last tag moderator step down right? Increasing the workload is probably not the best idea at this time. Also, we already have a tagging thread to discuss whether a tag should be grouped/blacklisted, which allows for debate and discussion rather than simply voting.

This is a bit OT indeed, but we need a new moderator, Ten. And I hope you are here with us (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Remember that the -boorus can be meticulous because they tag singular images, not whole comics / galleries. This site has an over 175,000 galleries of images versus say Danbooru which has less than 900,000 images.

Yeah, we are bigger. And could be better, once we have the image tagging implemented. If some server load would be an issue, make it a hath perk or something.

I will put this idea to bed right now. There is a limit to how many images you can look at in a day, tagging each image individually could easily result in a 503 error before you finished tagging a single gallery even more pages perks. I full 2000 image gallery can take about 5-10 minutes to tag. If it was possible to tag it by images, it would easily take hours.

What you mean, you cannot do it alone. Other than cloning you, we do need more active taggers. But IF we had them, we could deal with this problem. To have them, we need a system that would lure them here from -boorus. I think it's doable. What do we have to loose?

I am sure most people look for single images in boorus rather than bothering with the 95% shit "image set" galleries on this site. Boorus are a sort of master gallery for single images that way, giving the user full filtering control.

This site is mainly for viewing proper image sets: doujinshi, manga and proper game/artist CG sets. It includes western and asian sets, but the image set and misc categories are mainly a mess in my opinion.

And again I agree with you. But we could do what -boorus do. We have the power (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Imagine how single image tagging would transform all those crappy imagesets into something usable... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Who is he going to trust with that?
The current moderators are reviled (maybe not ghosty, but he doesn't do much. Or didn't last I paid attention)
When I was still active in expunging, I was the only one who didn't have my head up my ass (see the rules vote I broke my posting ban to comment on and got my ban extended. I proclaimed doom and gloom and they voted UNANIMOUSLY for it. That gaping hole still is there to be exploited...), and there is absolutely no way Tenboro would appoint me to that.

I wonder. Would he allow elections?

If you abuse your power, he could ban you again. But if you are willing to do the work, that what counts in my book.

Almost forgot, danbooru deletes any new image 3 days after its upload if not approved by a moderator. They also got ~600 new images in the last 24 hours, which is how much this site just got in the last 15 minutes.

Red here's a task for you, find a gallery of at least 300 images which are not that uncommon. Go through that gallery image by image and write down all the tags for each image. This means if it's a Cardcaptor Sakura gallery and Sakura Kinomoto is in every image, you have to write down Cardcaptor Sakura and Sakura Kinomoto for each and every image. Time yourself doing this and come back here and report that time. Include a link to the gallery and an image of your "tags" for support if you can.

Remember that this is what you want other people to do for you.

Ichizon, stop requesting more and more things for taggers to do because you want it. You are not a tagger. You want taggers to do more and more work for you but you won't do any of the work yourself.

Realize that taggers are your fellow members, they do this at their leisure. They are not paid, they do not have to do this, and frankly most of them suck. There are less than a dozen reliable taggers and I can count on one hand the number of taggers I trust. This is with me trying to correct and teach people how to tag for over three years. You two need to get it in your heads that there is nowhere near the manpower for the things that you are asking for especially considering that it's all voluntary work and you are not volunteering.

And yes, it is a dead horse, but I would love to see tags applied to images, not just galleries. Then our system would make the entire booru-verse obsolete (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I think this is an idea worth considering - it might bring many people who currently tag on boorus here. It would need a number of technical improvements for speed tagging implemented though, for eaxmple if you have a scene, in which for every image same set of tags would apply, to be able to apply those to the whole scene. Or to be able to copy/paste the whole set from image A to image B. By appling tag set on image I mean auto-voting each tag up with your vote, of course.

Then it would be possible, for galeries that are fully tagged, to automate deriving tags for the whole gallery from image tags.

This idea, like the idea of automatically finding dupes in database, is theoretically possible, but I think it's beyond our current maintenance capabilities, and I doubt Tenboro would want to start something with this much potential of taking much of his time. This is not a 1000-people Facebook-like enterprise, it's practically a one-man operation, and as such it's already top-level in efficiency and scope of achievement.

I will put this idea to bed right now. There is a limit to how many images you can look at in a day, tagging each image individually could easily result in a 503 error before you finished tagging a single gallery even with more pages perks. I full 2000 image gallery can take about 5-10 minutes to tag. If it was possible to tag it by images, it would easily take hours.

Who is saying that every new gallery has to be tagged on the spot, buy current crew? If the records are there, we have all the time to the ends of the world to gather enough momentum and thousands of taggers so they eventually tag them all. You seem to be unreasonably assumming two things: that if there is a way to tag individual images, the number of people tagging them stays the same, and that tags applied to those images will need as much fixing as current gallery system tags need.

The current moderators are reviled (maybe not ghosty, but he doesn't do much. Or didn't last I paid attention)

They seem to be reviled by you, true, but I think you're about the only member with such strong and general opinion.

When I was still active in expunging, I was the only one who didn't have my head up my ass (see the rules vote I broke my posting ban to comment on and got my ban extended. I proclaimed doom and gloom and they voted UNANIMOUSLY for it. That gaping hole still is there to be exploited...), and there is absolutely no way Tenboro would appoint me to that.

Because your 'gaping hole' can be patched at any time when there's a need, there's no need, you've been told so many times, and the concept just doesn't seem to be able to reach your brain.

Red here's a task for you, find a gallery of at least 300 images which are not that uncommon. Go through that gallery image by image and write down all the tags for each image. This means if it's a Cardcaptor Sakura gallery and Sakura Kinomoto is in every image, you have to write down Cardcaptor Sakura and Sakura Kinomoto for each and every image. Time yourself doing this and come back here and report that time. Include a link to the gallery and an image of your "tags" for support if you can.

Remember that this is what you want other people to do for you.

For themselves, if they want to. You aren't tagging anymore, right? So why do you care?

I think the possibility should be there, if only to explore what people will do with it.

Possibly you're opposing it because if there's possibility to tag something, you are unable not to, and so you are in fact a slave of the system, and worrying it'll take more of your life away from you. Stop tagging then, the current system is taking away enough of your time.

Ichizon, stop requesting more and more things for taggers to do because you want it. You are not a tagger. You want taggers to do more and more work for you but you won't do any of the work yourself.

What's wrong with submitting an idea for discussion?

Realize that taggers are your fellow members, they do this at their leisure. They are not paid, they do not have to do this, and frankly most of them suck. There are less than a dozen reliable taggers and I can count on one hand the number of taggers I trust. This is with me trying to correct and teach people how to tag for over three years. You two need to get it in your heads that there is nowhere near the manpower for the things that you are asking for especially considering that it's all voluntary work and you are not volunteering.

There is no manpower, there are only volunteers. As you said, there's no compulsion to tag, and if the system is there, you're quite free to ignore it altogether. I consider any additional knowledge it might add to database as beneficial, and I believe good tags will eventually drown out bad tags, if enough people look at specific image.

It would work better if database could do automatic image comparison by content, and find same pages scanned in different resolutions/qualities, and merge tags, and link them together.

All theoretical of course, as I don't expect Tenboro to want to implement this.

What you're talking about is curiously close to a system integrated with Galleries I was planning on introducing for April 1st last year, called Imagine, but then a lot of shit happened and it was shelved. The code and database structures for it are still in the system, and at some point I might continue working on it, if I can find the time.