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I'm full of ideas. That's my curse for being such a newbie.

Anyway, when a gallery is expunged, it doesn't really go away. There are several ways of being able to find it and have access to the images. Even when a gallery is expunged because the contents are illicit. And the doggie bag archiver still seems to work.

My suggestion. When a gallery is expunged, the images don't appear and doggie bag is disabled. This will allow people who have the gallery in their favorites to still have access to the expunge reasons and if it was expunged because of dupe or replacement, they can follow the link and add that gallery to their favorites.

I can think of rare occasions where someone would want to have access to the images for comparison/re-up reasons. If such reasons are valid, allow moderators or people above a certain power to still have access to the images.

I think that would be unnecessarily complicated, and accomplish very little. An expunge-related feature I would have appreciated is notifications when one or more of your favourite galleries has been expunged. That would make finding a superior version easier for the average member.

Anyway, when a gallery is expunged, it doesn't really go away. There are several ways of being able to find it and have access to the images. Even when a gallery is expunged because the contents are illicit. And the doggie bag archiver still seems to work.

Actually, the galleries expunged for being illicit usually end up deleted entirely, i.e. when you try to get to them through the link later, usually the only thing you get is the "gallery doesn't exist" message.

In rest of cases, it's useful to be able to look at the expunged gallery to decide if it wasn't expunged by mistake. And forum gets maybe 1% of all the traffic, so there are relatively very few people who know that links still lead to expunged galleries. It's removing them from public search that counts.

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That's not really a feature, is it?

This post has been edited by 3d0xp0xy: Nov 9 2009, 21:22

Curse this newbie curse - it has left me with two more ideas.

A few times, I have now seen an expunge campaign begin only for someone to find a reason why it should be stopped or reversed and said reason posted on re-up and generally agreed to, but the post was not seen by the last expunger and the gallery was expunged and Tenboro had to be asked to de-expunge it. What I would like to see is a new check box, a vote to reconsider. Works just the same, leaving details in the expunge log. It just reduces the percentage instead of increasing it. (Be great if the radio button could be below the explanation box so no one will accidentally hit the wrong button.) This way, an accidental expunge could be made less likely. (May also want - if the percentage should go negative, all votes are voided and the percentage starts again at 0%. Eliminates zombie votes.)

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Sometimes a magazine will include several works, each with its own title. I know of several examples in the galleries where the entire magazine has its own gallery and the more popular stories are pulled out and given their own gallery. I have also seen where people campaign to expunge the separate stories as dups.

I think the individual stories should be easy to find but unless I know what magazine it is published in, or unless the poster listed the contents in the description (or if the story title is turned into a tag - yuck) I can't find it.

What I would like is the ability to twitter a small message (say 50 char max) and have that message appear in the gallery description as: "ChocoNutz sez: 'story title begins on page 22'". To make it manageable, everyone is allowed only one twit, sending another overwrites (or removes) the first, and the gallery owner can remove any they wish to by modifying the gallery description. Also, anyone with moderator standing can remove twits (for where the gallery owner is absent).

Such twits could also be used to post links to the same work in different translations, etc.

Actually, the galleries expunged for being illicit usually end up deleted entirely, i.e. when you try to get to them through the link later, usually the only thing you get is the "gallery doesn't exist" message.

In rest of cases, it's useful to be able to look at the expunged gallery to decide if it wasn't expunged by mistake. And forum gets maybe 1% of all the traffic, so there are relatively very few people who know that links still lead to expunged galleries. It's removing them from public search that counts.

I knew about searching for expunged galleries before I ever found the forums. I would guess over 10% of users may have found out how to. Smart computer users can be crafty and quiet. I feel the box labeled 'Show Expunged Galleries (Dupes, garbage, etc.)' under advanced search is a giveaway. Maybe it should be re-labeled to something like 'Garbage Galleries (Dupes, Replaced, etc.)'

Wouldn't it be nice to have an indicator if a gallery is undergoing expunge/reneme voting or has 2+ / 1 unfinished magic tag on the gallery search window? This could be done relatively easily by adding few symbols to the search display, there's room for that.

Wouldn't it be nice to have an indicator if a gallery is undergoing expunge/reneme voting or has 2+ / 1 unfinished magic tag on the gallery search window? This could be done relatively easily by adding few symbols to the search display, there's room for that.

I do searches for the tags prohibited, already, or replaced, etc., to find undergoing expunges. But I think Re-Up is the best place because it allows me to see if there are any disagreements / considerations.

For renaming, I think the first person should add please rename, and then remove it when renamed as there is no other way of knowing a rename is in progress unless posted in re-up.

I also search for magic tags, western in misc, etc., to look for such and act as I see fit (vote up or down). I'll post what I find on Re-Up except I don't post misc to western - too many of them.

I have seen others frustrated over bad taggers. Right now, there is no punishment for bad tags so no incentive to stop.

At 20, a tag becomes searchable. That is, english(20) is just as useful as english(500). (I have generally learned to ignore the number as it often conveys wrong information.)

I purpose this, that the most anyone can tag is 50. That the most any tag can be is 150. That magic tags trigger their event at 150. That all tags currently over 150 are reduced to 150. (any arbitrary limit can be set. 100/300 also works though I feel it is a bit much when 20 is searchable.)

That one's tagging up power rises at the normal rate until it reaches 50, and the tagging down power rate rises at half rate till it also reaches 50.

If any tag is reduced to zero, that some small amount of anonymous, negative karma is left for the person who started the tag with the explanation, "tag <this tag> voted down for gallery ######".

That a user's level be less influential in their power by half and their reputation be more influential by double. (I am finding that the fastest way to up my tagging power is through HentaiVerse. My power should be because of the usefulness I am to the site, not in my ability to exploit the flaws in HentaiVerse.)

That tags under 10 become viewable so the bad ones can be voted down so the bad taggers are warned early.

Also, if anyone votes up a tag they already voted on, it raises the original tag amount to their current power. (Rather than what it does now which is just give an error message. Saves me from having to withdrawal and re-vote a tag.)

Once, I wanted to send someone some +Karma but didn't want to poke around to find a post of theirs. So I pasted the user number into the link below and activated the web page.

h t t p://e-hentai.org/dmspublic/karma.php?u=###&k=p

But, my finger pressed the period and the enter at the same time (making k=p.) and it ended up sending negative instead of positive karma. I didn't notice it until I read the message that karma shield had protected him. A quick PM to apologize and days later some real positive karma because he accepted my apology and didn't trash my karma.

Ok, I've been much more careful since. My bad. But it wasn't fair to him. How about producing an error message if whatever is after the k= is other than a p or an n.

Or better yet, add a +/- karma link to the member profile page. There have been times I have wanted to send someone Karma for doing the right thing (and people have also sent me karma for same). Such reasons have been:

- Removing prohibited images from their galleries
- Me giving them extra time to get it done
- Sending a PM answering a question
- Sending a PM that made the other's day

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I've been sent negative karma twice, once with the comment 'Thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)' and once with no comment at all. I'm guessing the first was because of simple retaliation (I was trying to get a gallery of his expunged with prohibited images in it) but the second - I have no clue. There was no comment. It was from someone who frequents the re-up vigilante thread and the link he hit was from a post I made in that thread. It feels to me the same as if a co-worker had walked up to me while I was sitting at my desk doing my job, hit me with a big stick, and just walked off. He wasn't helping, just leaving me hurt and confused. Did I do or say something wrong? How can I do better if I have no input.

Nothing can make the other person do what is right but can you at least make it so that you cannot send karma without some sort of comment. Something is better than nothing.

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I have seen several cases where a gallery is being expunged as a dup with people awarding half-a-star because it is a dup, only to have it discovered that it is a better example and it is kept as a replacement - but the half-star votes are still there and cannot be changed. Please, only vote half-a-star for garbage. Or make it so that a person can change their vote. (Even an illicit gallery can have the offending picture(s) removed. A fixed, replaced gallery keeps its star rating.)

Also, if you vote to expunge a gallery for garbage reasons, don't just call it garbage or use four-letter words. Say why or what the uploader might do to improve their technique. Is it too small? Inappropriate for this site? Too amateurish? How can they do better next time.

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Is anyone reading these posts, or am I just talking into the wind? Send me a point of +K if you are (I value Karma more than credits or GP)

This post has been edited by ChocoNutz: Nov 25 2009, 02:09

I'm really not right for this site. My real interest is graphic novels, not just Japanese works. My nearest comic book store is in a different country and my passport is expired, but I was able to find several titles I was interested in reading and was showing my appreciation by helping with re-up and clean-up. But I have to go. The method being employed here works, but it is far to labor intensive and I have better things to do with my time.

I like the hunt. Searching through image galleries for hidden HentaiKey images is far more satisfying than racking up hundreds of kills for a few virtual points and items.

Right now, to search for an image, I have to right click an image, choose properties, double-click and copy the hash, close the properties window, double-click and paste the hash onto a web link in another window, search each unexpunged gallery for the pic, notify the uploader by PM, wait a week, reexamine the modified gallery to make sure it is clean, repeat if necessary, or post on re-up if there is no response, and beg for more expunge votes if needed. (And if I want a near match instead of an exact match, I also have to download and upload the pic to filesearch.)

Also, every time a new image set is posted, visually scan the images (sometimes hundreds) for prohibited material (and others could also be checking - multiple people doing the same work). Ok, maybe I am over doing it, but someone will have to look someday and I am on the hunt.

Three ideas to make re-up easier.

Idea one:

There have been times where I haven't bothered to vote. Why add my 7% to 90% when the next to vote is likely to be 12%. I know my smallness helps but there have been times it wasn't needed.

I have seen galleries expunged with as few as 3 votes and as many as 17. I purpose that if a person's vote is under 10%, that it is raised to 10%; and if it is over 33%, that it is lowered to 33%. This would mean that expunges and renames would need from 10 to 4 votes. It would allow us little guys to be a bigger help and prevent accidental expunges by having at least four look at every case (I always verify each expunge to see if I would agree - more work but everyone makes mistakes and no one should take someone's word for which is best).

Idea two:

Add a link to the bottom of a picture page saying "Show me other galleries with this same pic". Click it and it will show a list of exact matched (hash search) and possible matches (Similarity Scan). This will save a lot of time in looking for dup galleries. No more hash clicking or up/downloading.

Idea three:

A great idea for eliminating illicit pics. I believe that the first time a picture is uploaded to the site, it is stored and the pictures hash is used to track that location. Then if the same identical picture is uploaded again, the system just points to the pic already stored. So all galleries with identical pics all point to just one location.

If a pic is found to be prohibited, instead of expunging it, replace it with a pic with the message, "pic removed because it violates site rules." This way, if a gallery contains one bad pic, the entire gallery need not be expunged or replaced. Just remove the offending pic. Also, if anyone tries to upload the pic, being that the message pic is stored in the bad pics hash spot, the system will automatically replace the bad pic even before the gallery is published. Imaging, someone uploaded a Jab comic and the result before publishing is the offender is looking at a page full of "pic removed because it violates site rules." (Boy will that throw them for a loop.) A prohibited pic need only be found once and that's it. It's gone. (Ok, if I re-size the pic, it will have a new hash, but most of the bad material uploaded will get caught before it is even published - less work for re-up.)

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So, after I clean out my to-do pile and give up on all outstanding PMs, I'll sink back into lurking mode.

Idea two

Idea three

I support these.

This post has been edited by 3d0xp0xy: Nov 28 2009, 07:26

There have been times where I haven't bothered to vote. Why add my 7% to 90% when the next to vote is likely to be 12%. I know my smallness helps but there have been times it wasn't needed.

I have seen galleries expunged with as few as 3 votes and as many as 17. I purpose that if a person's vote is under 10%, that it is raised to 10%; and if it is over 33%, that it is lowered to 33%. This would mean that expunges and renames would need from 10 to 4 votes. It would allow us little guys to be a bigger help and prevent accidental expunges by having at least four look at every case (I always verify each expunge to see if I would agree - more work but everyone makes mistakes and no one should take someone's word for which is best).

Except that it would enable anon-bombing of galleries.

Add a link to the bottom of a picture page saying "Show me other galleries with this same pic". Click it and it will show a list of exact matched (hash search) and possible matches (Similarity Scan). This will save a lot of time in looking for dup galleries. No more hash clicking or up/downloading.

I'll consider that one.

If a pic is found to be prohibited, instead of expunging it, replace it with a pic with the message, "pic removed because it violates site rules." This way, if a gallery contains one bad pic, the entire gallery need not be expunged or replaced. Just remove the offending pic.

I already have the ability to remove individual pictures from a gallery. But it doesn't leave a placeholder, it's just.. gone.

Also, if anyone tries to upload the pic, being that the message pic is stored in the bad pics hash spot, the system will automatically replace the bad pic even before the gallery is published. Imaging, someone uploaded a Jab comic and the result before publishing is the offender is looking at a page full of "pic removed because it violates site rules." (Boy will that throw them for a loop.) A prohibited pic need only be found once and that's it. It's gone. (Ok, if I re-size the pic, it will have a new hash, but most of the bad material uploaded will get caught before it is even published - less work for re-up.)

It does that already. Eventually it'll use the similarity search to block those kinds of reups as well.

It does that already. Eventually it'll use the similarity search to block those kinds of reups as well.

Can similarity search give false positives?

Don't know if this has been suggested before, but some kind of "% completed" display (kinda like the one you get when using rapidshare) when uploading a gallery would be nice, I think.

Can similarity search give false positives?

Sure it can, but from what I've been seeing it's not very common, at least not yet. I've had two genuine false positives reported to me, in both cases they were monotone images that managed to sneak past the monotone image detector. Obviously it would have to do better than rejecting an image just because it finds a match, but I have a plan for doing it.

Don't know if this has been suggested before, but some kind of "% completed" display (kinda like the one you get when using rapidshare) when uploading a gallery would be nice, I think.

The only half-decent way to do that is to employ flash to do uploads, which is iffy and tends to break between versions.

Sure it can, but from what I've been seeing it's not very common, at least not yet. I've had two genuine false positives reported to me, in both cases they were monotone images that managed to sneak past the monotone image detector. Obviously it would have to do better than rejecting an image just because it finds a match, but I have a plan for doing it.

I had about 15, after comparing about 500 images... guess I'll have to start reporting them.

The only half-decent way to do that is to employ flash to do uploads, which is iffy and tends to break between versions.

You may also use AJAX to track the upload progress: the files are still uploaded using a typical HTML form, but during the upload process, the web browser periodically polls the HTTP server to retrieve stats about the upload (amount of data uploaded so far, total size of the upload, etc.), and show them to the user. I guess it's a bit hairy to handle at the server side, but at least, [demo.ovh.com] it works without Flash (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

You may also use AJAX to track the upload progress: the files are still uploaded using a typical HTML form, but during the upload process, the web browser periodically polls the HTTP server to retrieve stats about the upload (amount of data uploaded so far, total size of the upload, etc.), and show them to the user. I guess it's a bit hairy to handle at the server side, but at least, [demo.ovh.com] it works without Flash (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Problem being that unless they changed something after 5.2.whatever in PHP, whenever you try to reference any elements in the $_FILES array for a file that hasn't finished uploading yet, it will block. Meaning that to my knowledge, out of the box, it's not possible to find the temporary name of the file that's being uploaded until it's finished uploading. I've seen a patch for this somewhere, but I'm not gonna fork PHP just to add that. If you have some information to the contrary, do share.

You're right, there's no way to do that only from a PHP script. However, there's [pecl.php.net] an extension that can help (haven't tested it, and it probably won't work with your Web server).

As for OVH, they [menno.b10m.net] use CGIs, probably because Perl is much more fun than PHP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by Hairs' Fan: Dec 2 2009, 02:55