QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Dec 30 2013, 11:26)

"textless" already exists. Also I'm pretty sure there's a technical limitation that prevents us from using "none".
I know testless exists, that's why I noted it. The point isn't so much to add a new term, but to make non-language galleries show up in any language-specific search without having to do extra specification.
QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Dec 30 2013, 11:26)

Just use the character's name + "gender bender" or + "futanari".
This doesn't work if any futanari exists-regardless of if it's the named character.
QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Dec 30 2013, 11:26)

It's either consensual or it's "rape". Not a good idea to make a grey area here given how much some people despise rape.
I could debate that the 'acceptance' of a character that is clearly not the same gender/sexuality whatever makes it a different person, but honestly, who cares? I'm just saying it wouldn't be horrible for people to have a more specific 'pre-combined' search- which could actually make the original search do what it's 'supposed to' (more)(kinda)
re: 'forced' vs 'rape'
What is a good idea has nothing to do with what exists. I see this pretty frequently. Semantic debates vs actual written situations=untagged content. It doesn't 'go away'- people just can't find it on purpose. If it's fine by you, fine by me.
QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Dec 30 2013, 11:26)

"bdsm" and "femdom" already exist; "maledom" was already rejected for being ridiculously common.
re: dominant, submissive, masochist
if 'maledom' is so common, then wouldn't that make m:submissive useful? or is that too common too?
I note f:big breasts seems useful, though it's common- wait, f:small breasts is too common to use. Yep, need like 20 terms to describe crucial a fatty female anatomy region, but let's skip major plot/attitude motivators.
Unless their in women.
Whatev.
QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Dec 30 2013, 11:26)

Already exists for more explicit situations. Also what you described is more like "willful degradation".
re: humiliation
PoTAYtoes, PoTAHtoas.
I'm not hung up on the label or the details- just saying this would be a useful tag because there are stories with people like this. How you want to 'plant the fence' is fine by me.
QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Dec 30 2013, 11:26)

This is the only one I think might be viable but I've never seen it pass presence rule.
Re:training, self-training
Not sure which you mean, but ok.
I could prob dig up links if it would help. It'd be from memory, so it may take some time.
QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Dec 30 2013, 11:26)

Way to vague as it doesn't tell you what that magic/science actually
does. Most "transformation"/
Change tags and ones like "machine" cover these in a more specific manner. We're already thinking about splitting "corruption" into 2 to segregate magical vs. non-magical as it's one of the biggest in that area.
re: 'magical', 'mad science'
I'm not going to ask 'have you read hentai?' (IMG:[
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style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) , but if writers- excuse me 'artists'- don't describe their clearly magical devices/spells/forces- but they're obviously magical through self description or effect, then I think this qualifies. Or would you rather a bunch more tags for specific variations? That's counter- productive- i didn't even want to do two different ones, but they are pretty different in story use, so that's why I suggested what I did. It's fine either way though- just suggestions.
re: corruption being split to separate the magic vs non-magic versions
Magical corruption should probably be 'mind control' or 'magical influence'. Good idea though.
QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Dec 30 2013, 11:26)

Very bizarre term to use for what should just be "coercion"; also it still sounds a lot like "blackmail".
re; responsibility
It's literally used as a 'magic phrase' in a lot of hentai. "Take responsibility." or "I will take responsibility" I did not make this up. It's kinda too common to miss.
QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Dec 30 2013, 11:26)

All of these are nightmarishly subjective and will lead to a lot of debating (especially on parody works where coupling is more canonical or a subject to fan shipping theories). We have enough trouble with "cheating" vs. "netorare" as it is precisely because people don't agree on whether something is a "good" scenario or a "bad" one from their perspective or from the perspective of the MC.
re:crush, in love, broken, triumph
I don't see it that way. The first two are so frequently spelled out it's rarely a point of debate. The last two, the actions should pretty make obvious, but I don't think the potential for misinterpretation make any less useful.
You have a proposed MC. You have a proposed target. The MC states he has a crush or can't stop thinking about target. Events happen. MC and/or crush consumate. MC and/or crush state 'I love you'.(sometimes MC doesn't). Events happen. MC keeps crush/love(good end) or MC gains harem/new target(good end) or MC loses control/access to crush/love(bad end).
I've just summed up 90% of one shot hentai with respect to proposed tags. For series hentai the issue is mostly 'target change', but some slide in escalating 'bad end' developments or actual plot.
I didn't exactingly define all these definitions because I figured there would be some debate about their common interpretation/use- but I should have- sorry about that.
These are just ideas. I didn't think I was proposing 'final versions' of any of these.
QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Dec 30 2013, 11:26)

Super subjective and anti-presence rule.
Re: bad end, happy end
It's only subjective to the reader- not the characters. If the MC is a 'good guy', did his best, and is depressed at the end, it a bad end- even if the viewer loves his misery. Bad MC, jerk, plot foiled- 'good end'. There are in-between variations. Don't tag. Kinda like breasts in-between 'big' and 'small'. Mistags just get overlooked/voted down. That's the system.
People can definitely identify these things, so if you opt not to let them tag them despite that, that's fine.
I'm not familiar with the anti-presence rule, and I couldn't find it in the wiki, so an explanation of this would be helpful. If I could guess what it meant though, it would seem 'cheating' and 'netorare' may suffer the same problem- but I'm probably wrong since I don't know what it actually is. (IMG:[
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QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Dec 30 2013, 11:26)

Just look for longer stories with "virginity"/"defloration" tags (remember they have to meet presence rule so yes the story should be bringing it up).
re: first
This isn't about deflowering. I specifically stated 'Not the same as virgin'. This is about finding stories with a chase and fulfillment dynamic or 'lucky circumstances- or whatever 'people finally getting it together' entails. Not every hentai story about 'first' is about some pre-college girl finally losing it to the MC. This is always identifiable from context, and though common would still be a helpful tag.
QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Dec 30 2013, 11:26)

"swinging" already exists for a portion of what you mentioned. Also most stories are one-offs; anything long enough to get this would just be a one-story tankoubon anyhow.
That was just an example- I'm not suggesting that exact use.
And that's exactly my point- there are a good number of one-offs that START with the characters having an ongoing relationship- just so they can get straight to the sex! The 'ongoing' tag would be for those.
Maybe an 'already sexing' tag would be more explicit? I'm not hung up on the label- just proposing ideas.
The 'ongoing' tag I would be more wanting of though- it's lack of presence 'could' imply first- but these story types are very different in content and presentation- especially in incest stories- an entire plot arc is removed when 'ongoing' is used, and some people like that 'how did they manage that' stuff.
Anyway I can see why these would be useful, but also why you'd be hesitant to add them.
QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Dec 30 2013, 11:26)

re: 'default affix'
I actually have no idea what you mean with this but it sounds like you're not using the existing search tools to their fullest.
Uh-huh.
If I'm searching, and I don't like futanari (I don't- but to each their own) I have to '-futanari' every time. which is fine- whatever- but I will likely never like futanari. I can overlook it in background chars in a big story, but as a MC- not my ideal. If that part of the search could be in another box 'forever' (or till I change it) and automatically added, then that would be good. I could filter a bunch of stuff in or out constantly, based on my personal likes. (-CG, -realporn, whatever. You wanna +'furry'? knock yourself out. Only wanna read english? 'Language:eng'). Think of it as a specific string, always pasted in at the end just before I hit the search button.
Of course being able to 'not do this' should be optional- but that's the basic idea.
Re: feature requests
I don't know what kind of stuff you're looking for- but it's good you have this thread. I'm sure 'more tags' is bad. I think some existing tags are way less useful than some I've proposed- but not my call. Still though, it's like 'over-specificity' and visual confirmation is more befitting of a tag ('dicknipples'? really? 'eye-penetration'? yes- that's a keeper)- more than 'common variations' (unless it applies to breasts, or ways women can please men- or ways men can please themselves despite women. That's 2/3 the list of tags easily. The rest look at the list is 'how big is my penis', random fetish items, monster girl variations, and other leftover identity/target tags). If you only want stuff in this vein (hehe- I said vein)- then fine. But hentai is more than that.
Why make it easier to find niche fetish fodder than actual, common themes and dynamics? A lot of people appreciate a good hentai story- and there is literally no good way to find it since great art with a crap story trumps a great story 9:1- but barring that, just finding 'the kind of story you like' is limited to finding/avoiding 'really bad men' tags (cheating/NTR/Rape/coersion, whatver- to whatever degree the searcher tolerates)
Almost all the tags are about 'eye candy identification', 'party tricks', or 'control variations'-- which is fine. I mean who am I kidding? we both know what we're here for, amIright? (IMG:[
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But artists do bother with silly words and plot. Some do a really good effort at presenting plausable and awesome stories- devoid of 'hentai logic's 'and then the dolls smash their genitals together' story construction. And even in the 'bad 'stuff they have styles and themes.
And that can be 'erotic' too- to be able to find those 'happy first love' stories- or seek out a 'tragedy overcome story'- or whatever- by injecting a few tags. right now all you can hope for is a lucky title match.
But- maybe not. It's just an idea. I actually read hentai, and would like to seek out specific themes- so apparently I'm in the minority, but I clearly don't understand the purpose of tags- which is why 'scrotal lingerie' exists, versus anything I've proposed (and I don't presume many (if not all) elements haven't been proposed already.
You propose tags remain slaves to the art.
I propose the story get some consideration too.
Thanks for your time.
Take care.
Oh- ever consider an 'self-rate' meta-tag?
It would be:
1star, 2star ... 5star, rating pending
It would be 'unvotable'- created by the server based on 'nearly current' rating (server could check 1/week or whatever a reasonable load would be- less frequent for really old galleries.
Just an idea.
Thanks again.
This post has been edited by bloggbigg: Dec 30 2013, 23:16