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post Oct 21 2019, 16:53
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Oct 18 2019, 15:49) *

In this particular case, I observed your actions and believe you are bidding completely honestly on every item, so I have no dispute with you.

However, it won't be the case with every other bidder, and this auction was a great example to show a problem that could arise. Just last year, on a Peerless Demonic Rapier of Slaughter the same thing happened, and someone did also bid 100m and cancel, creating some complaints. This person was eventually partially banned from Superlatanium auction, when his behavior persisted for months.

But he was not completely dishonest either, and he had lots of money, about the same as us. It shows that when it comes to bidding, people should not be allowed to fool around, it can occasionally hurt the system for others.

Even though I have no dispute with you, I still think this bidding rule should be changed. It's not a good rule.

What if I went and bid 1000000000000 credits on every item? Then I can cancel them all, just 5 minutes before the auction ends? At 5 am in the morning when some people are sleeping? It's not fair.


I understand your feeling and this is why I make the rule. You know, I can't make the ending time convenient for everyone in all timezone. I don't mean to shirk my responsibility. In fact, if you really want that item, you should keep an eye on this till the end and by any mean necessary (at least in the last hour because most people choose to bid in the final moment). Setting an alarm clock, asking your friend to proxy for you, I can do this for you too if you ask. And because of this, it's not really matter for the cancel deadline is one hour or 24 hours.

But if there is someone trying to mess up the competition, that's another story. My rule have to keep the balance between fair and reasonable. If the rule can't stop some ugly act, I have the final say.

Btw: one can cancel freely only before the last one hour, not 5 minutes before end. In the last hour, one can only cancel his last bid in five minutes after he post this, in order to recheck his bid. So if someone really give an enormous number, he should cancel this before 4 am in your timezone or this bid will be solid.

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post Oct 21 2019, 17:25
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QUOTE(lestion @ Oct 18 2019, 20:17) *

To elaborate on another possible abuse, in defense of the idea of narrowing the window of opportunity for cancellations:

If one was to bid very highly at the very start of the auction, nobody is going to make any other valid bids on that item. Then if they cancel, the only valid bids would be any few that started before that, if there even were any.

Obviously, a player could use this to cancel and then bid lower, and only have to worry about much more limited competition (if you knew an item was already well above your price range, would you still watch it very closely at the last hour? or would you just give up and go to bed?).

Even though this would be easily spotted and the offender could be punished, there's also the possibility of a 2-man con, where the same behaviour is repeated either as a way to 'protect' an early low bid from being outbid, or by masking the intention of the cancellation by making it look like the other one was just a lucky fellow that turned up and paid attention at the last minute.


*When you cancel the bid, it means both your current and former bids on this item are cancelled. The current highest bid will return to the minimum winning bid (must be valid) from the second highest bidder.
e.g:
bidder A: 100k,200k,700k,1m,3m
bidder B: 150k,300k,800k,2m,5m
bidder C: 50k,500k
If B cancel his bid, the minimum winning bid should be 700k from A.

I think playing the cancel trick you said won't do any good to them (only bad news for the seller). But if someone give up and quit before the last hour, I can only feel sorry for him. One should keep an eye on the thing he want till the end by any means necessary, at least in the last hour.
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post Oct 22 2019, 15:26
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QUOTE(SakiRaFubuKi @ Oct 21 2019, 16:53) *

asking your friend to proxy for you

this is always valid, btw.
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post Nov 16 2019, 20:47
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Good job on the last auction.
Amazing how every other player got a warning about invalid bid if they had..
I just didnt.
So 10/10 work on auction, will not bother trying my luck in the future.
Also, the minimum bid system is wonky.
That is all.
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post Nov 17 2019, 14:36
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QUOTE(Hero Of Time @ Nov 17 2019, 02:47) *

Good job on the last auction.
Amazing how every other player got a warning about invalid bid if they had..
I just didnt.
So 10/10 work on auction, will not bother trying my luck in the future.
Also, the minimum bid system is wonky.
That is all.


Something you guys always misunderstood is, my auction is not automatic, not even a semi one. So sorry for not noticing you.

And from now on, I WON'T ****ING warn anyone who mess up my minimum raise to super's one anymore.
I held this auction for 159 weeks. My minimum raise always +50k or +10%, and so did the wannaf and issary auction that I inherit from.
And ALMOST EVERY WEEK there are someone just playing super's rule in my auction(No offence to Super, you are cool (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)).
I know you all don't mean it. Sorry for the bad mood, but it is disrespect to my work and I really doubt I should respond this kind of bully anymore.

That is all.

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post Nov 17 2019, 15:02
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By the way, I'm thinking about retirement from a long time ago. Still I keep doing my part since nothing better to do and this job has welded solidly to my boring life.
Frankly, super's service is far more efficient to mine and it is quite meaningless for me to stick to this.
Will still doing this for some weeks and finger cross there gonna be a happy ending.
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post Nov 17 2019, 16:33
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QUOTE(SakiRaFubuKi @ Nov 17 2019, 13:36) *

Something you guys always misunderstood is, my auction is not automatic, not even a semi one. So sorry for not noticing you.

And from now on, I WON'T ****ING warn anyone who mess up my minimum raise to super's one anymore.
I held this auction for 159 weeks. My minimum raise always +50k or +10%, and so did the wannaf and issary auction that I inherit from.
And ALMOST EVERY WEEK there are someone just playing super's rule in my auction(No offence to Super, you are cool (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)).
I know you all don't mean it. Sorry for the bad mood, but it is disrespect to my work and I really doubt I should respond this kind of bully anymore.

that much is clear - the fact that warnings about min raise are sent manually, i mean. if nothing else, because format slightly changes every now and then.

QUOTE(SakiRaFubuKi @ Nov 17 2019, 14:02) *

By the way, I'm thinking about retirement from a long time ago. Still I keep doing my part since nothing better to do and this job has welded solidly to my boring life.
Frankly, super's service is far more efficient to mine and it is quite meaningless for me to stick to this.
Will still doing this for some weeks and finger cross there gonna be a happy ending.

just to be clear again, i think nobody is asking you to retire, but it's understandable at a point RL has priority, or one is simply not in the condition/mood to run a certain service anymore.

should you consider retirement for good, i think all the community should thank you for your service and the efforts you continuously put into these events. not by comparing with someone else's service, but by checking what you were able to bring out (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(Hero Of Time @ Nov 16 2019, 19:47) *

Good job on the last auction.
Amazing how every other player got a warning about invalid bid if they had..
I just didnt.
So 10/10 work on auction, will not bother trying my luck in the future.
Also, the minimum bid system is wonky.
That is all.

sorry to tell you, but once you send an item to an auctioneer to hold it in your stead you implicitly accept *ALL* his terms of service. and this is valid for many other things, RL too. which is less-or-more what my fellow mod said as well:
QUOTE(DJNoni @ Nov 16 2019, 19:44) *

SakiRaFubuKi, maybe it would have been kind if you had warned Hero of Time that his bid was invalid. It is in your rules, minimum bid increment 50k if <500k. But still, he would probably have bid 100k if he had received a friendly reminder of that rule.

A reminder to all: read the rules carefully!


as for extension rules - i, too, thought they may be a bit industrious, but if he keeps proposing it he probably found them working.
if you think that "is wonky", you may want to suggest him something to make it a bit lighter, because "the system is wonky. that is all" means basically nothing.

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post Nov 17 2019, 19:14
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 17 2019, 22:33) *

just to be clear again, i think nobody is asking you to retire, but it's understandable at a point RL has priority, or one is simply not in the condition/mood to run a certain service anymore.

should you consider retirement for good, i think all the community should thank you for your service and the efforts you continuously put into these events. not by comparing with someone else's service, but by checking what you were able to bring out (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


It's not about comparing. I've running out passion and had made a lot of mistake this year. Can't even prove myself trustworthy anymore (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) . Better quit and spare some time to real life.
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post Nov 17 2019, 19:16
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Don't you dare quit at that. I appreciate talking to a human when I send my stuff over, and all the automation in the world will never replace that.
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post Nov 17 2019, 19:18
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QUOTE(SakiRaFubuKi @ Nov 17 2019, 15:02) *

By the way, I'm thinking about retirement from a long time ago. Still I keep doing my part since nothing better to do and this job has welded solidly to my boring life.
Frankly, super's service is far more efficient to mine and it is quite meaningless for me to stick to this.
Will still doing this for some weeks and finger cross there gonna be a happy ending.



Don't think you should retire.
I recommend on doing what you're doing.
I was slightly peeved as I assumed that it was something personal.
If it was a human mistake? Thats understandable.
Not trying to bully you to stopping, simply stated what happened in a more... Unpleasant tone.
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post Nov 17 2019, 20:29
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QUOTE(Hero Of Time @ Nov 18 2019, 01:18) *

Don't think you should retire.
I recommend on doing what you're doing.
I was slightly peeved as I assumed that it was something personal.
If it was a human mistake? Thats understandable.
Not trying to bully you to stopping, simply stated what happened in a more... Unpleasant tone.


Nothing personal. It is already in the schedule, not about you. No offence.
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QUOTE(SakiRaFubuKi @ Nov 17 2019, 20:14) *

It's not about comparing. I've running out passion and had made a lot of mistake this year. Can't even prove myself trustworthy anymore (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) . Better quit and spare some time to real life.

i think no one is allowed to blame you for mistakes
you, Superlatanium and decondelite are doing a great job for HV with auctions

for a record: super also makes mistakes. dunno about decon, i used his auction just a couple of times and everything went fine, but anyway nobody is perfect

well, auctioning is a hard job, automatic or not. dunno about others, but i'll salute you in any desission
retire from something is always a little bit sad thing, but moving forward is always good thing
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Also here to both verbalize a vote of confidence in your abilities and say thank you for running a consistent auction.
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I want to take this chance to thank SakiRaFubuKi for his hard work, that in the last weeks bocome even a free service.

You always done a great work, i had some complaint myself time ago but i always tought great of you're work, hope you will continue doing it keeping a bit of choice in the HV scene.

Thank you very much from a long time satisfied customer. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Nov 18 2019, 03:33
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Although I like it, not everyone likes Superlatanium's idea to place a tax on sniper bids. It's good to have at least two auctions with different kinds of rules and system. By the way I always wondered but never asked, why is this auction called Kedama's auction?
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post Nov 18 2019, 16:37
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Nov 18 2019, 09:33) *

Although I like it, not everyone likes Superlatanium's idea to place a tax on sniper bids. It's good to have at least two auctions with different kinds of rules and system. By the way I always wondered but never asked, why is this auction called Kedama's auction?


See my avatar? That's a kedama(furball) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) .
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post Nov 18 2019, 16:55
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Too bad your auction will probably not be around when I'll reach the neighbourhood of Lv. 500 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I wish you the best for your RL, that should always be the first priority for all of us. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

But I know I'll miss your service, and I myself will probably never have the strength and ability required to run one; that much I have to admit.
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QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Nov 18 2019, 14:55) *

Too bad your auction will probably not be around when I'll reach the neighbourhood of Lv. 500 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)


Will anyone? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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QUOTE(SakiRaFubuKi @ Apr 4 2017, 19:01) *

Kedama's Auction #169 preview
(The following are not the final version and may have changes.)

Gonna retire from this job. Let this be the final week for Kedama's auction. You can still send me items until Jan 22 13:00(UTC).



Thank you for your devotion until now. I wish joy and happiness in your future.
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