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> Let's compare elemental(*4) vs Holy vs Dark
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Your preference?
Fire [ 6 ] ** [5.77%]
Cold [ 9 ] ** [8.65%]
Wind [ 6 ] ** [5.77%]
Elec [ 6 ] ** [5.77%]
Holy [ 23 ] ** [22.12%]
Dark [ 14 ] ** [13.46%]
Taste my Void Strike! [ 22 ] ** [21.15%]
Be despair with my Force Shield !!! [ 9 ] ** [8.65%]
You shall ask my monsters first :) [ 9 ] ** [8.65%]
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post Dec 13 2016, 02:26
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Oh god please no holy mage nerf (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Dec 13 2016, 05:50
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Dec 13 2016, 02:07) *

For mages you try to reach a threshold of offense to make up for your low defense. Though since the resist changes long ago, its really difficult to do so.

1H + shield is so popular because of good offense and the best defense.


But for high level guys (400+), going mage is the only thing to do, the time spent to clear all the battles is like 4x faster than a melee warrior, reducing the tedious and tiring process of killing stuff one by one, game time irl also reduced => profit.

Before 400 melee is very good indeed.
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post Dec 13 2016, 10:40
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Dec 13 2016, 04:50) *

But for high level guys (400+), going mage is the only thing to do, the time spent to clear all the battles is like 4x faster than a melee warrior

Sure it's faster, but 4x is overestimated.
My guess is around 1.5/2x faster against SGs and 2x/3x faster against normal enemies.
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post Dec 13 2016, 11:43
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Dec 13 2016, 16:40) *

Sure it's faster, but 4x is overestimated.
My guess is around 1.5/2x faster against SGs and 2x/3x faster against normal enemies.

yup , from my own experience ~ 2.x faster for normal arenas/IW and GF to me compare with 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Dec 13 2016, 13:48
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QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Dec 13 2016, 04:50) *

But for high level guys (400+), going mage is the only thing to do
[...]
tedious and tiring process

What about no? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Dec 13 2016, 14:49
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What about no? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

^ +1
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post Dec 13 2016, 16:38
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Dec 13 2016, 18:43) *

yup , from my own experience ~ 2.x faster for normal arenas/IW and GF to me compare with 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Nerf this! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Dec 13 2016, 16:39
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Nerf this! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Agree. I'm not even interested in maging, so nerf this! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Dec 13 2016, 16:43
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Dec 13 2016, 15:39) *

Agree. I'm not even interested in maging, so nerf this! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

i support both of you. and pretty sure sir scorpio would do as well.
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post Dec 13 2016, 16:45
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 13 2016, 15:43) *

i support both of you. and pretty sure sir scorpio would do as well.

I would've been glad to get acquainted with a such good guy.
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post Dec 13 2016, 16:56
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Dec 13 2016, 15:45) *

I would've been glad to get acquainted with a such good guy.

here you are. he's also a collector of obsoletes, btw.
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post Dec 13 2016, 17:02
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here you are. he's also a collector of obsoletes, btw.

I know but...

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post Dec 13 2016, 17:02
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QUOTE(hansvar92 @ Dec 13 2016, 21:38) *

Nerf this! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

hey , you is mage too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Dec 13 2016, 17:12
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I know but...
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maybe he will comeback someday (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

btw , his country flag is same with F4tal (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Dec 13 2016, 17:13
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maybe he will comeback someday (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

btw , his country flag is same with F4tal (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Oh, so russian people = good people
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post Dec 13 2016, 17:26
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I know but...
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

hey, what's the problem? do you follow only the ideals of people that you can personally meet everyday? i'm pretty sure that if you randomly say "mages are gay" someone will answer "where's Scorpio?" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(ppp82p @ Dec 13 2016, 16:13) *

Oh, so russian people = good people

[www.google.it] it may be.
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post Dec 15 2016, 18:45
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If "breached defense" work properly, I guess Holy is the best.
I would say Holy > Wind > Ice > Thunder > Dark > Fire based on the status effects, but I didn't think much to get this order.
I also like Holy for MP Drain for casual fights where you want to end the battle with full mp without wasting items.
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post Dec 15 2016, 18:58
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QUOTE(uareader @ Dec 15 2016, 17:45) *

I would say Holy > Wind > Ice > Thunder > Dark > Fire based on the status effects, but I didn't think much to get this order.

It's up to debate which is the best defensive proc.
It was briefly discussed here.
At least it should be Ice > Wind, no idea how Dark and Fire 10% damage reduction fit in (Void never reported back).
For offensive procs Holy > Elec.
But procs are only a part of mage effectiveness.

QUOTE(uareader @ Dec 15 2016, 17:45) *
I also like Holy for MP Drain for casual fights where you want to end the battle with full mp without wasting items.

It doesn't really work like that.
MP Drain on normal mobs is the most useless thing ever.
It's pretty good against SGs though.
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post Dec 15 2016, 19:45
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speaking of which, what's the best spike for holy? is it affected by difficulty/staff/quest/whatever else?
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speaking of which, what's the best spike for holy? is it affected by difficulty/staff/quest/whatever else?

I use fire spike (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


20% damage reduction is good ( fire + my dark proc ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


wind spike isn't that good from my personal data in GF (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

fire is better at least for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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