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Aug 24 2016, 23:21
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 24 2016, 23:16)  I forgot trophies give equipment withs 100% conditions, I checked the last auction and none of Tim's equipment have 100% condition so not really possible.
why? use them a bit and condition will decrease. for multiple of 10 in particular it's quite easy.
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Aug 24 2016, 23:30
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 24 2016, 23:21)  why? use them a bit and condition will decrease. for multiple of 10 in particular it's quite easy.
Why would anyone use equipments that are gonna be auctioned (all of them and with random number as result)? Doesn't make sense, I prefer to use Occam's razor here since there are too many assumptions (he buys trophies even if he was selling them, he shrine them and use all the equips for a random amount of time and then auction them).
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Aug 24 2016, 23:43
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 24 2016, 23:30)  Why would anyone use equipments that are gonna be auctioned (all of them and with random number as result)? Doesn't make sense, I prefer to use Occam's razor here since there are too many assumptions (he buys trophies even if he was selling them, he shrine them and use all the equips for a random amount of time and then auction them).
i only wanted to point out that your assumption that condition =/= 100% doesn't mean anything on its own (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) but frankly speaking, this seems only a (very) lucky guy to me. since there are so many unlucky guys, well - maybe he only monopolized mine and other few's luck? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Aug 25 2016, 00:16
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Aug 25 2016, 00:43
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 24 2016, 23:16) 
P.S. I should also stop writing from smartphone because fuck autocorrect.
First thing I disable on a phone (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Aug 25 2016, 00:50
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Aug 25 2016, 00:43)  First thing I disable on a phone (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) aye.
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Aug 25 2016, 01:19
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Colman
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QUOTE(sssss2 @ Aug 25 2016, 01:38)  I guess most of them are dropped from one, due to equipment's bound level.
Run a few parallel bots and they should have similar levels (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) It is not like 10B have time to ban the bots recently. So, as long as his bots could pass certain tests, they were able to bots for a long time.
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Aug 25 2016, 01:39
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yami_zetsu
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how does he even cheats? I'm asking to avoid doing that on accident
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Aug 25 2016, 01:56
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RoadShoe
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QUOTE(fatemoe @ Aug 25 2016, 01:32)  There is no range or randomness. Tim Duncan (also known as minidora) (formal known account name FJK) is a cheater.
Tenboro banned FJK earlier this year, but fail to stop his cheating from second account. Please eliminate this guy or all our LOTD will to drained EMLP all 4 tier drop in same round
Ahh sheet! I just bid 1m on one of his on Lian's auction. I don't want to enable a cheater, how do I back out now? Edit: He hadn't updated the auction yet. Officially backed out with the famous quote "nvm". This post has been edited by redphil: Aug 25 2016, 02:02
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Aug 25 2016, 02:12
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(redphil @ Aug 25 2016, 01:56)  Ahh sheet! I just bid 1m on one of his on Lian's auction.
I don't want to enable a cheater, how do I back out now?
Edit: He hadn't updated the auction yet. Officially backed out with the famous quote "nvm".
(IMG:[ i1.kym-cdn.com] http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/353/279/e31.jpg) A random guy in the internet says another random guy (with a different name) is cheating in a browser game where equipments are randomly generated server-side. No one doubts that (he posted screenshots!). That's the internet I love. This post has been edited by Sapo84: Aug 25 2016, 02:13
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Aug 25 2016, 02:21
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ariosty
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"randomly", gentlemen, "randomly".
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Aug 25 2016, 06:06
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crute
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If you grind *cough* bot *cough* enough all things average out. It's like getting pair aces in poker, it's rare but play enough and there'll be multiple instances.
This post has been edited by cirrux: Aug 25 2016, 06:08
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Aug 25 2016, 06:40
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RoadShoe
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 25 2016, 02:12) 
A random guy in the internet says another random guy (with a different name) is cheating in a browser game where equipments are randomly generated server-side. No one doubts that (he posted screenshots!). That's the internet I love.
You know... it "is" kinda suspicious. And FJK "was" banned. And this guy "did" skyrocket. It really "could" be aliens. And what if those aliens sucked all the water out of our oceans with a huge straw? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) And then.... that would obviously force John Wayne out of hiding, and he's going to be pissed! There's a lot riding on this kinspeerassee. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Edit: Seriously.. How do you get dropped so many Legendaries, and a Peerless in a couple of levels? That's what I grabbed onto. I still play lower difficulties to keep from leveling fast. I play PFUDOR, and I'm up 5 or 6 levels in a day with not a hint of a Legendary. (Admittedly - I'm not level 415 and I trained for Tokens and Artifacts) He would have to play PFUDOR to get the weapon tier high enough, and there isn't an honest way to get that lucky in two levels. This post has been edited by redphil: Aug 25 2016, 06:52
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Aug 25 2016, 06:43
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someloser1
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its something that pisses people off
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Aug 25 2016, 08:34
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QUOTE(fatemoe @ Aug 25 2016, 07:32)  -snip-
Yes! This was what I'm talking about. Now I'll have something to link to when talking about this. Anyway, to those that want to pretend its due to some uber luck rather than consider it to be something sinister, that's fine by me. As someone who doesn't sell equips, that just means more gears to choose from. Just don't complain when your genuinely lucky good drop starts selling for a dime a dozen.
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Aug 25 2016, 08:50
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H-elp
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It could well be that the RNG used in HVerse is actually abused itself. Depending on how drops are generated (drop already determined when the round start, for example) he could just see the monster lineup and know if he's getting a good drop. I'm not sure how Riddlemaster works but I can sometimes do three 70+ rounds arenas and see only one but then do a 25 one and see it at round 4 and round 23 again. Or maybe it just wants to be a dick and not give me extra mana for the important arenas :|
Also, for the record, what is "fast" leveling? I just switched to hard and with training adept learner and doing arenas I can get like one or two levels a day, which is wonderful for me.
This post has been edited by H-elp: Aug 25 2016, 08:53
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Aug 25 2016, 09:32
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(H-elp @ Aug 25 2016, 08:50)  It could well be that the RNG used in HVerse is actually abused itself. Depending on how drops are generated (drop already determined when the round start, for example) he could just see the monster lineup and know if he's getting a good drop.
Disregarding the fact that you're assuming that Tenboro is incompetent and can't fix a simple RNG problem even if can see which drop will be generated what's the point? It's not like he can request another lineup if the drop won't be good. Moreover RNG abuse is a thing usually found on weaker hardware (was a thing in old Pokémon games for example) but it still was heavily tied on timings, I really doubt you can do it in a client/server (still assuming the RNG code is crap, which is a thing I doubt) QUOTE(redphil @ Aug 25 2016, 06:40)  You know... it "is" kinda suspicious. And FJK "was" banned. And this guy "did" skyrocket.
I honestly only saw fatemoe talking about FJK, and always with those same screenshots. And even then how can you link two different people without proof? If Tenboro could be sure that a banned user signed himself again he would have banned him already (I can assure you admins hate those kind of things). QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Aug 25 2016, 08:34)  Anyway, to those that want to pretend its due to some uber luck rather than consider it to be something sinister, that's fine by me.
Sinister? Now we have conspiracy theories? If he's botting or multi-accounting he will be banned sooner or later so who cares.
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Aug 25 2016, 09:38
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sssss2
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QUOTE(chjj30 @ Aug 25 2016, 03:42)  Difference makes Things interesting. And, you dropped also already 3 Legendary Radiant Phase Gloves of Freyr yourself according to your Droplist, right? Some other People can play more than you, while another some People can also play less than you. And some other People can also be luckier than you, while another some People can also be unluckier than you. You've already reached Lv 500, so I think you may understand some Facts, not only in HV, but also in the real Life, right?
If some one rolls a dice 100 times and get ALL 6, most people will have doubts about the balance of the dice. QUOTE(Colman @ Aug 25 2016, 08:19)  Run a few parallel bots and they should have similar levels (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) It is not like 10B have time to ban the bots recently. So, as long as his bots could pass certain tests, they were able to bots for a long time. Oh, multi-accounts and bots... QUOTE(fatemoe @ Aug 25 2016, 08:32)  There is no range or randomness. Tim Duncan (also known as minidora) (formal known account name FJK) is a cheater.
Tenboro banned FJK earlier this year, but fail to stop his cheating from second account. Please eliminate this guy or all our LOTD will be drained
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I don't know whether he is a cheater or not. I wonder that RNG on HV equip drop is really random and doesn't have a flaw or a bug. (10B loves very complex formulas, which include so many variables.)
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