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the discounts are made in base of the taxes, watch the taxes, the amount from it is so small (less than 50k) that it wouldn't have made any considerable discount to early bidders
super doesn't keep any of the taxes, it is implemented on the discounts

Ah, I see

Though looking at my case, lostwizard manually bid with a remaining 7 hours to the end of the auction, so, shouldn't he had received a tax?

Though looking at my case, lostwizard manually bid with a remaining 7 hours to the end of the auction, so, shouldn't he had received a tax?

But he was still winning for more than 18 hours, so it counts total winning time

But he was still winning for more than 18 hours, so it counts total winning time

I had a proxy bid for 10.5m until then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) that's what I don't understand; he had a proxy bid, then I did (10.5m), then he manually bid 7 hours before the auction ended and the result says he was winning for 22 hours

This post has been edited by yami_zetsu: Jul 8 2018, 02:40

I had a proxy bid for 10.5m until then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) that's what I don't understand; he had a proxy bid, then I did (10.5m), then he manually bid 7 hours before the auction ended and the result says he was winning for 22 hours

It counts the total time he had held the proxy bid for I'd assume

Isn't that obvious...It's the total time as others have mentioned already. Doesn't matter if he's proxy or bid manually, it's the total time he's been winning.

It counts the total time he had held the proxy bid for I'd assume

There is no other viable metric.
A bids 1 at the start
B bids 2 5 hours before the end
A bids 3 4 hours before the end

It would be completely counter-intuitive if A would get the tax because his last bid was made only 4 hours before the end.
As long as you show interest in the item before and you were winning you won't get the tax, as it should be.

There is no other viable metric.
A bids 1 at the start
B bids 2 5 hours before the end
A bids 3 4 hours before the end

It would be completely counter-intuitive if A would get the tax because his last bid was made only 4 hours before the end.
As long as you show interest in the item before and you were winning you won't get the tax, as it should be.

if A proxy bids and then B proxy bids more at the first day of the auction, could A & B engage in a snipe war at the last minutes and extra time without them receiving any taxes since they both showed interest at any given point?

btw I saw lastwizard in the thread, not that I'm trying to get you to pay more or I'm jelly, I'm seriously interested in the tax mechanic, I wouldn't had outbid you anyway (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

if A proxy bids and then B proxy bids more at the first day of the auction, could A & B engage in a snipe war at the last minutes and extra time without them receiving any taxes since they both showed interest at any given point?

I guess snipe war is not encouraged by Super‘s auction and is unfair to bidders that couldn't attend the auction at last minutes.

why is it that someone can change their mind on a bid but we cant change our minds on selling our items?

I think it's somewhat understandable if someone mistypes or reflexively bids too much in the heat of the moment. Sending an item via MM is a bit more deliberate. A removed bid is less disruptive than a removed item, and removing an item requires my personal intervention, so I don't want to encourage it. It's not that items can't be de-listed in unusual situations, but I don't really want to allow it to be done on a whim.

Following the auctions in the last 2 months, I've noticed a lot of medium-tier medium-to-high-level Legendary that noone bids for.

As for me, I didn't because I think the 50k start price is unjustified in such cases, but I would have bidded for some of them if the start price would have been e.g. between 20k to 25k

Simply returning them to the owners will in most cases just take them out of the market effectively.

If they go unsold at 50k, that's market proof that they're not really considered even medium-quality material. I think auctions should attempt to offer highlights of the uncommon high-quality to decent equips. Lowering the minimum bid would open up the possibility of lots more junk-tier equips getting listed, which may or may not get sold. If you want a listed item but don't want to offer 50k, you're free to PM the seller and ask something like "If it doesn't get minimum bid, might you sell it to me for 30k?"

There are many shops with large lists of common, low-quality equips to sell. They're much more suited for listing those sorts of things than auctions.

hi super, I bid [Clo04] [10,505k] [Jul 06 2018, 21:36] and got the winning bid, but I woke up to find out lastwizard05 had the actual winning bid (Lastwizard05 12.5m #80; winning for 22.3h / 63.8h; -0.0%) for more time than me, what happened? if he proxy bidded more than me, why did the auction told me I had the winning bid until i went to bed?

The time during which a player has been winning an item is cumulative. It wouldn't make much sense otherwise - imagine someone who's been winning an item from the beginning, and during the last couple hours, someone else comes along, bids the price up a bit, but loses to the original bidder. The original bidder's time shouldn't be disadvantaged as a result.

It seems that I didn't receive the early discount for bidding?

See the bid times page, and click on Time-Based Price Multipliers:

[reasoningtheory.net] https://reasoningtheory.net/bidtimes217573

Each auction, the sum of discounts always equals the sum of penalties. If there are very few snipers, or if the sniped items' value is quite low in comparison to the rest of the sold items, then the discount rate will be tiny or nonexistent for some items. This time, because the items won by snipers were of very little value in comparison to the total value of sold items (47k in late fees vs 151.7m worth of items sold total), the resulting discount rate was next to nothing.

One of the main reasons why the discounts exist is to demonstrate that the sniping penalty revenue is distributed among the other participants, rather than something that I personally make money from (which would seem somewhat unethical). If there happen to be very few fees and very few discounts, similar to the way things were before except without snipers, mission accomplished - see what I posted before this began:

I can only guess, but since people will probably quickly adjust their behavior to avoid sniping now that the rule is in place, the maximum discount may well end up being pretty low compared to 8%, since there probably won't be much revenue to take from the snipers.

(Which would be a good thing - it would be great if everyone bids before the end and there's no need for any penalties or discounts.

A new equilibrium the same as before but without people sniping would be ideal)

The uncertain discount that everyone else receives is more of a side effect rather than something meant to be substantial.

winning 65 hours is the onbly way that we can only avail discounts

This is not the case. Whenever there are any significant discounts to go around, you only need to be winning for more than 1/4th of the auction duration to get a discount.

if A proxy bids and then B proxy bids more at the first day of the auction, could A & B engage in a snipe war at the last minutes and extra time without them receiving any taxes since they both showed interest at any given point?

Yes, they could, as long as A was winning for a sufficiently long period of time before B's initial bid (so that, by the end, both would have accrued enough time to be over the penalty limit). With perfect timing, four people could be competing at the last minute, with none of them being on the hook for any penalty.

If you want an item, be courteous to other bidders by bidding early and consistently. Early bidders will be rewarded with a discount.

I just wanted to say that it's bullshit.
Even if I bid early or multiple times (way) before the end, if in the end I don't have time to swoop by regularly, I'll be done for because I won't have the most time as winning bid. Or should I say: that system favors even more those who are here 24/7.

Super, I will be direct: that system only adds one more problem on top of the one that it's supposed to solve. Except it doesn't solve it. Ain't the first time I'm saying it utterly sucks anyway.

There's some truth to that. But if you bid high enough early, then you won't need to be around 24/7 for the maximum discount. Also if you are only trying to avoid the tax it's not that hard.

Superlatanium's system ultimately raises prices a little I believe. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. It also comes with the benefit of being able to see the true worth of items earlier and more clearly. It slightly rewards someone who is around 24/7 but I think that is better than significantly rewarding someone who happens to be around when the auction ends.

the true worth of items

Religion is weird (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Religion is weird (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

aye.

plus, bump.

As for the proxy bid, is it possible to set proxy in millions rather than only thousands? As some people are not sensitive to so many zeros
I believe this would help reduce proxy mistakes

next time people will complain as they don't know how to use decimal to proxy for item below 1mil.
or the fight between . or , separator.

also, you just need to put the number on million then multiply it by 1000, or add 3 zero behind, people who might have problem are those who have 10000 denomination on their language, (hence using 4 zeros instead of 3 out of habit) which is only japan, korean and Chinese ?

maybe some easy fix is giving amount notification in real number (i.e after putting 30000 to the proxy bid form, clicking the "submit button" will show not only : (sure update/sure don't update) but also a confirmation like "you will proxy bid up to [ 30.000.000 credits ] (sure update/sure don't update"
bold, size 42, and color coded the amount you wish.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Sep 1 2018, 18:20

if you note, he already added a big red warning somewhere because of this. which is strange, numbers should be universal, right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

if you note, he already added a big red warning somewhere because of this. which is strange, numbers should be universal, right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

a big red notification that "auction has expired" doesn't stop people to bid on the auction

you know, this is the kind of reason that some people propose that every cautionary and advisory label should just disappear for a year or so

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Sep 2 2018, 13:30

a big red notification that "auction has expired" doesn't stop people to bid on the auction

you know, this is the kind of reason that some people propose that every cautionary and advisory label should just disappear for a year or so

of course we're not at these levels, but i doubt going to a cop telling him "i didn't see the big red warning" would work. for how i see it, the amount of functional analphabetes is growing, and this is an offense for all those who spend some minutes of their lives to try and understand how a stuff works.

however thanks for reporting, fixed that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

As for the proxy bid, is it possible to set proxy in millions rather than only thousands? As some people are not sensitive to so many zeros
I believe this would help reduce proxy mistakes

I hope a live updating display of what someone's inputted value translates to in plain English will work. eg "84 Million, 242 Thousand Credits". This is a mostly English forum, so I hope that'll make sense to most people

Good thing that only digits are allowed in the input box, I wouldn't want to try to guess at what everyone means with commas and/or periods interspersed with numbers