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But you said 1M per day by grinding, how does someone even do that, he gets mad drops? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

A lot of rounds played, a lot of drops.
If you're fast enough you get a lot of gain even if you buy multiple Energy Drinks per day.

When you have nothing, middle class look rich, but middle class is not rich, it doenst matter how it looks like for a real poor one.

yep. real rich guys is those who put up a WTB for 30 gold stars (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

And dont ask about hath, i dont give away hath for 5k. So not even a single credit income there.

say what you want, but it's still 8 hath/day. which will become 9 when you'll upgrade to a silver and 11 when you'll purchase a gold star. even if it doesn't mean 50k daily, it still means that you may be able to afford perks sooner or later. it's not like they are worth shit, you know

A lot of rounds played, a lot of drops.
If you're fast enough you get a lot of gain even if you buy multiple Energy Drinks per day.

it also means many GFs per day and a good monster lab. or are you speaking about 1M of mere drops?

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Nov 2 2016, 02:00

Well yeah, 20k a day is definitely middle class, and with 100k for me you're almost getting out of middle class, like i said.
But you said 1M per day by grinding, how does someone even do that, he gets mad drops? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

20k? Middle class? A single run Dance with the dragon make more as 20k just with the Trophys alone. How the hell could 20k be middle class? 20k is poor, sure as sure. So i guess you dont play on pfudor, with your lvl Hell maybe.

20k? Middle class? A single run Dance with the dragon make more as 20k just with the Trophys alone. How the hell could 20k be middle class? 20k is poor, sure as sure. So i guess you dont play on pfudor, with your lvl Hell maybe.

you don't need to play PF to raise 20k worth of trophies (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
but as i said, it's a matter of perspective: at his level i guess all the 2nd page arenas he can do at Hell should surely bring him more than 20k - which may be a lot for his standards. a few potions, maybe some repair feeds, a few LG/MG materials to forge... judging by the number of things he could do, i bet he'd be happy with such revenue atm


btw, speaking about monster lab:

Yoko Matsugane brought you a gift!
Received some Mid-Grade Cloth.
Adrianne Palicki brought you a gift!
Received some Low-Grade Leather.
Maria Mazza brought you a gift!
Received some Mid-Grade Cloth.
Violante Placido brought you a gift!
Received some Low-Grade Metals.
Sasha Alexander brought you a gift!
Received some Low-Grade Metals.

should i count this as +1k? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Nov 2 2016, 02:08

20k? Middle class? A single run Dance with the dragon make more as 20k just with the Trophys alone. How the hell could 20k be middle class? 20k is poor, sure as sure. So i guess you dont play on pfudor, with your lvl Hell maybe.

How could i even play Pfudor at my level? I'd get mauled to death (i tried (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) ).
Yeah, Hell is a good estimation.
If 20k for you is poor, and it definitely is thinking more about it since i make about that too, at what point does middle class start for you? 100k? Or more?

should i count this as +1k? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I'd count that as revenue too if you won't use them, yeah.

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Nov 2 2016, 02:11

at what point does middle class start for you? 100k? Or more?

which is the question i did a while ago and we're still trying to answer (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Everything is below the gain you can make with 20 stamina of arenas/gf (500 rounds) plus 24 random encounters (not counting eventual good drops) per day, on iwbth/pfudor, is poor.

Around that is middle class.

Above is rich.


And that's why I'm poor, I don't even play arenas since a couple of months (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

This post has been edited by ppp82p: Nov 2 2016, 02:13

which is the question i did a while ago and we're still trying to answer (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Everything is below the gain you can make with 20 stamina of arenas/gf (500 rounds) plus 24 random encounters (not counting eventual good drops) per day, on iwbth/pfudor, is poor.

Around that is middle class.

Above is rich.
And that's why I'm poor, I don't even play arenas since a couple of months (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

It seems i'm going to need another Economy course for this game (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Nov 2 2016, 02:17

Everything is below the gain you can make with 20 stamina of arenas/gf (500 rounds) plus 24 random encounters (not counting eventual good drops) per day, on iwbth/pfudor, is poor.

Around that is middle class.

Above is rich.
And that's why I'm poor, I don't even play arenas since a couple of months (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

i don't think it's a good criteria. this does only consider daily incoming, not preexistent richness. let's say stony doesn't play nowadays, would you call him poor?

Correction: if you don't care about exp, let's say 600 rounds/day (24 stamina)
Basically playing how much you can without dropping stamina and buying energy drinks.
If you play less than that, you have poor revenue.

If you have that revenue, you're middle class.

If you gain more, that means you buy ed, thus you're rich.

i don't think it's a good criteria. this does only consider daily incoming, not preexistent richness. let's say stony doesn't play nowadays, would you call him poor?

If you say that then no one is really poor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

If you say that then no one is really poor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

i'm simply applying your own criteria sir (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

If you say that then no one is really poor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

oh, i also guess you meant no one, but no nobody right?

Correction: if you don't care about exp, let's say 600 rounds/day (24 stamina)
Basically playing how much you can without dropping stamina and buying energy drinks.
If you play less than that, you have poor revenue.

If you have that revenue, you're middle class.

If you gain more, that means you buy ed, thus you're rich.

But, think of it like this:
If you only played one round, and got a drop worth 1M, and then stopped for the day, would you think that that day you had poor revenue?
I don't think so.

And, if you already have a really huge quantity of money, like 1000M, even if you didn't play, would you think of yourself as poor?
I don't think so, again.

It's more of a question of money that you get (or got), not effort you put in.

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Nov 2 2016, 02:28

But, think of it like this:
If you only played one round, and got a drop worth 1M, and then stopped for the day, would you think that that day you had poor revenue?

i'd rather say that i used the less time i played in the best way possible and i'd have to stop at that point in order to keep my positive strike (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It's more of a question of money that you get, not effort you put in.

that you get and you have, supposed that you don't waste everything into useless expenses just to claim you're poor. something like that.

that you get and you have, supposed that you don't waste everything into useless expenses just to claim you're poor. something like that.

Yeah, i was editing my answer to add that while you were replying (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Well Scremaz, it's a paradox.

Credits are too few or too many at the same time.

One million may seem a lot, but if you look at the endgame, endless perks, rare and expensive perfect gears, heavy forging, leveling up, keeping stamina alive...then almost everyone is poor.

But at the same time, most equipments are cheap, at a certain level you don't even buy potions, monster lab pays itself, you can do literally everything with less than 1m worth of equipment...then almost everyone is rich.

So how can we define the richness or the poorness of someone?

Credit balance? It may mean nothing. For example, rich players like sssss showed often screenshots with few millions of credits in inventory, I can make that too by not buying anything for a couple of month, but that doesn't make me rich. I have just stockpiled some credits, but I'm not rich.

Account longevity? An old player could be always "richer" than a newer one, but the newer one can surpass it.


I think the only way to define it is the daily revenue you can reach.
If I start to play like crazy I think that I will not manage to get that rich, probably I won't get even with the EDs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Plus people that have less time to play, will have less chances to get money, so they will be less rich, thus poor.

It's the easiest way to define a rich or a poor person.

Stony, just to take your example, may not play for a bit, but with Catgirl he still earns a shitload of credits and hath passively, gaining effectively the same as me playing 24 stamina/day.
That makes him richer than me.

This post has been edited by ppp82p: Nov 2 2016, 02:34

Well Scremaz, it's a paradox.

Credits are too few or too many at the same time.

One million may seem a lot, but if you look at the endgame, endless perks, rare and expensive perfect gears, heavy forging, leveling up, keeping stamina alive...then almost everyone is poor.

But at the same time, most equipments are cheap, at a certain level you don't even buy potions, monster lab pays itself, you can do literally everything with less than 1m worth of equipment...then almost everyone is rich.

uhu. give me 1M and i may do wonders with it. or not, it depends on what you actually expect (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

So how can we define the richness or the poorness of someone?

first time i posted this question was at post #2. if you don't answer it, then the whole thread is pointless and everybody may whine here (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Credit balance? It may mean nothing. For example, rich players like sssss showed often screenshots with few millions of credits in inventory, I can make that too by not buying anything for a couple of month, but that doesn't make me rich. I have just stockpiled some credits, but I'm not rich.

which is basically the reason because i started loaning. even if i can't engage in too many bidwars, credits just stockpiled without having an actual use for them past a certain threshold, but everyone would've benefitted from a few donations.
being called a shark wasn't exactly part of the plan though...

Stony, just to take your example, may not play for a bit, but with Catgirl he still earns a shitload of credits and hath passively, gaining effectively the same as me playing 24 stamina/day.
That makes him richer than me.

sheesh. the matter about stony, jenga and such ones isn't their catgirl badges. reason because stony is sometimes regarded as the richest player in all HV is here. and jenga as one of the richest ones in recent times is here.

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Nov 2 2016, 02:45

you don't need to play PF to raise 20k worth of trophies (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

At his lvl im quite sure Dance with dragons is still locked. Also Pfudor was an answer to his second question, not his first.

How could i even play Pfudor at my level? I'd get mauled to death (i tried (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) ).
Yeah, Hell is a good estimation.
If 20k for you is poor, and it definitely is thinking more about it since i make about that too, at what point does middle class start for you? 100k? Or more?
I'd count that as revenue too if you won't use them, yeah.

Hm, i guess it could be possible with the right equipment, good forged. But im not sure. Ah, dont think about that to much, at your lvl i played hell to. And just take a look at nintendo now and then, to make sure you raise the difficulty when you are ready. Well i guess that i something everyone has a different points of view. But i would say middle class starts with a regulary income of 200k ~ 400k per day. And rich starts around 1M per day. Just dont do the same mistake as i did. Invest 1M not into your training. Invest it into your equipment. You can invest 1M into training, when you have a good equipment forged. Otherwhise your killing speed deny any profit you could get out of your training.

TBH i have now around 500k credits, yes. And i made that money in one day. But, that was just luck that my monster bring me some good stuff. They do that once or twice per month what is no income on a regularly base.

sheesh. the matter about stony, jenga and such ones isn't their catgirl badges. reason because stony is sometimes regarded as the richest player in all HV is here. and jenga as one of the richest ones in recent times is here.

Just forgot that.
And that's part of the revenue.

See?
Higher revenue -> Rich
Average revenue -> Middle
Lower revenue -> Poor

Middle is playing how much a "normal person" (no donations, but training can be as high as you can, since they cost credits, and credits are sooner or later gained by anyone) can make without spending credits, playing at the highest difficulty.
So dawn + 24 re + 24 stamina is the standard.
Around 200k I'd say.

This post has been edited by ppp82p: Nov 2 2016, 02:47