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Apr 27 2018, 17:28
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Ass Spanker
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Apr 27 2018, 23:24)  Not profitable at all. Unless you're paid millions for a special and dedicated service (no, it's not a blowjob).
I tried to kill myself just doing my own IW and I really doubt if doing IW for people is worth it.
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Apr 27 2018, 17:37
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qw3rty67
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QUOTE(igs88 @ Apr 27 2018, 02:59)  IW service is really important for a noob like me that can't play mage.... Anyone can pfudor iw with frd, but you'll want the weapon to be forged. Mage can give more pxp/time on lower diffs if you use scrolls.
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Apr 27 2018, 17:45
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-vincento-
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well. If you don't have long gone before day light, it would ppl cost more than IW shops when you use tons of EDs. If you don't have Dark Descent, then you will have to send to others to reforge, and it takes more time. Considering those, for some hard, time-consuming IWs, I'd send to IW shops. PFD IW is never ever a problem for 1H though.
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Apr 27 2018, 18:53
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PervMeister
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"Anyone can pfudor iw with frd, but you'll want the weapon to be forged. Mage can give more pxp/time on lower diffs if you use scrolls."
Thanks for the info.
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Apr 27 2018, 18:57
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yami_zetsu
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Well, I remember Super saying it was worth it a reaaaally long time ago, after he stopped doing the service, I think it was before monsters didn't have too much health, so I don't if he still thinks the same (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Apr 27 2018, 21:32
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qw3rty67
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IW service exists to save the person's time, not shards. You aren't supposed to buy them. Ideally they give you the cash to buy the shards you'll need for the runs, unless either of you happen to have a bunch of shards laying around (most don't.) Without dd you'll have to mail the item back and forth. Most would rather reforge themselves to remove any chance of """accidental""" salvaging anyway (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) With gear and perks and trainings you make more money in the same amount of time by doing other things, but let us not forget that arenas are limited and gf is garbo unless you can get far and fast by using said gear and perks and trainings. Less money than something else does not equal unprofitable. QUOTE(PervMeister @ Apr 27 2018, 12:53)  "Anyone can pfudor iw with frd, but you'll want the weapon to be forged. Mage can give more pxp/time on lower diffs if you use scrolls."
Thanks for the info. To be more specific, you need enough attack speed to make the stun outlast the cooldown. Low-mid 20s is more than enough. Extra just gives you more oc wiggle room.
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Apr 28 2018, 02:34
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(igs88 @ Apr 27 2018, 08:59)  IW service is really important for a noob like me that can't play mage....
[[Hail IW service]]
why should mage be so important in this context, if you allow me? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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Apr 28 2018, 02:55
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igs88
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 28 2018, 07:34)  why should mage be so important in this context, if you allow me? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Because mage can play faster than heavy melee player like me. I did iw two months ago, and i did it a whole day long just to get jugg2 and many shards just on 1 armor (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) . So mage is ideal style for iw i think... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (Correct me if i'm wrong)
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Apr 28 2018, 03:40
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qw3rty67
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All that matters is pxp/time, followed by various costs if you're into that sort of thing. If you're not already mageing, it's probably not worth spending several tens of millions just to do iw slightly faster. My 2H shade pxp/time at pfudor is almost identical to mage time at iwbth. I can't do pfudor iw with mage at all. With armor like yours it'd be way easier to just grab some 2H weapon and use godslayer rank instead of making a pfudor-capable mage (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Apr 28 2018, 03:57
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igs88
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Apr 28 2018, 08:40)  All that matters is pxp/time, followed by various costs if you're into that sort of thing. If you're not already mageing, it's probably not worth spending several tens of millions just to do iw slightly faster. My 2H shade pxp/time at pfudor is almost identical to mage time at iwbth. I can't do pfudor iw with mage at all. With armor like yours it'd be way easier to just grab some 2H weapon and use godslayer rank instead of making a pfudor-capable mage (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) If i want to try 2h, what kind of weapon i should use? What about niten? Is it better than 2h?
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Apr 28 2018, 03:58
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yami_zetsu
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QUOTE(igs88 @ Apr 27 2018, 19:55)  Because mage can play faster than heavy melee player like me. I did iw two months ago, and i did it a whole day long just to get jugg2 and many shards just on 1 armor (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) . So mage is ideal style for iw i think... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (Correct me if i'm wrong) I believe it IS faster, but still you need to take into account survivality, which is hard for mages, around round 80 in a pf IW they hit so hard and constant that I have to use last elixirs, which are my last resource, sometimes I even get killed by carelessness on the last rounds or because I want to save an elixir by defending, waiting a couple turns until another heal spell/potion recovers, it's better not to risk it
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Apr 28 2018, 05:12
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igs88
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QUOTE(yami_zetsu @ Apr 28 2018, 08:58)  I believe it IS faster, but still you need to take into account survivality, which is hard for mages, around round 80 in a pf IW they hit so hard and constant that I have to use last elixirs, which are my last resource, sometimes I even get killed by carelessness on the last rounds or because I want to save an elixir by defending, waiting a couple turns until another heal spell/potion recovers, it's better not to risk it
For me, it's still unbelievable (because i never tried once (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) but when i watched the video that posted few days ago, i think mage is undefeatable....
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Apr 28 2018, 05:31
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yami_zetsu
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QUOTE(igs88 @ Apr 27 2018, 22:12)  For me, it's still unbelievable (because i never tried once (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) but when i watched the video that posted few days ago, i think mage is undefeatable.... Oh, that holy mage level 500 with (almost?)perfect gear video? yeah, how could that happen...let's not forget that it was before the buff to monster's hp Now that I think about it, now I remember the time when even I could get tons of drops in Hard, that was life man
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Apr 28 2018, 05:36
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qw3rty67
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QUOTE(igs88 @ Apr 27 2018, 21:57)  If i want to try 2h, what kind of weapon i should use? What about niten? Is it better than 2h? Would not recommend niten for iw. Or ever (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Agile estoc is ideal for frd lockdown, but a mace with the same weapon damage should outperform it using power + godslayer + spirit stance + imperil. "Should," because I get equal arena times with a weaker mace, but leg 80 round item world was three minutes slower than estoc because of all the healing and potting. Ideally you'd swing a couple of times to stun, cast imperil, then kill them all, but even with op5 they parry too much for that to work consistently. Instead I used stanced rending blow - shatter strike on the top half, then swung down the rest. I'd need scrolls and void shards on top of a better weapon to make the imperil-only style work better, but even then I'd rather use frd to save on item costs. That mage video's not realistic if you're not uber rich. That's several hundreds of millions of gears and perks, and flower vase - bubble gum is expensive to use all the time (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) For plain mortals, maging outside of arenas is risky business.
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Apr 28 2018, 05:36
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Ass Spanker
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QUOTE(yami_zetsu @ Apr 28 2018, 09:58)  I believe it IS faster, but still you need to take into account survivality, which is hard for mages, around round 80 in a pf IW they hit so hard and constant that I have to use last elixirs, which are my last resource, sometimes I even get killed by carelessness on the last rounds or because I want to save an elixir by defending, waiting a couple turns until another heal spell/potion recovers, it's better not to risk it
Don't you use scrolls? I don't even have a slot for LE.
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Apr 28 2018, 05:38
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igs88
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QUOTE(yami_zetsu @ Apr 28 2018, 10:31)  Oh, that holy mage level 500 with (almost?)perfect gear video? yeah, how could that happen...let's not forget that it was before the buff to monster's hp Now that I think about it, now I remember the time when even I could get tons of drops in Hard, that was life man
Yeah, that one.. That one really made me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) and got more "depressed" as a member of poor players club... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Imagining tri-star-tier set of holy mage...
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Apr 28 2018, 05:44
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yami_zetsu
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QUOTE(as013 @ Apr 27 2018, 22:36)  Don't you use scrolls? I don't even have a slot for LE.
of course, but as I say it's around 80th+ round that i have to be careful
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Apr 28 2018, 08:29
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Noni
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QUOTE(igs88 @ Apr 28 2018, 05:38)  Yeah, that one.. That one really made me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) and got more "depressed" as a member of poor players club... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Imagining tri-star-tier set of holy mage... dudes, that video was against SG iirc, DWD pfudor. I never die against SG. I die regularly, almost ever other day, in PFfest, around round 800. And IW, I need scrolls after round 60, especially for peerless IW at PFUDOR. Without scolls, I have a chance of dying. This post has been edited by DJNoni: Apr 28 2018, 08:30
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Apr 28 2018, 12:32
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igs88
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Apr 28 2018, 10:36)  Would not recommend niten for iw. Or ever (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Agile estoc is ideal for frd lockdown, but a mace with the same weapon damage should outperform it using power + godslayer + spirit stance + imperil. "Should," because I get equal arena times with a weaker mace, but leg 80 round item world was three minutes slower than estoc because of all the healing and potting. Ideally you'd swing a couple of times to stun, cast imperil, then kill them all, but even with op5 they parry too much for that to work consistently. Instead I used stanced rending blow - shatter strike on the top half, then swung down the rest. I'd need scrolls and void shards on top of a better weapon to make the imperil-only style work better, but even then I'd rather use frd to save on item costs. That mage video's not realistic if you're not uber rich. That's several hundreds of millions of gears and perks, and flower vase - bubble gum is expensive to use all the time (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) For plain mortals, maging outside of arenas is risky business. So 2h is estoc+agile armor. If the shadowdancer is out of reach what kind of suffix i should choose as an alternative? That video was wow... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) but that used flower-flavoured gum? I missed it i guess.... QUOTE(DJNoni @ Apr 28 2018, 13:29)  dudes, that video was against SG iirc, DWD pfudor. I never die against SG. I die regularly, almost ever other day, in PFfest, around round 800. And IW, I need scrolls after round 60, especially for peerless IW at PFUDOR. Without scolls, I have a chance of dying.
(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) I thought if i got like (maybe) 3-star or 5-star tier set of holy/dark mage, it would be "real godslayer" that undefeated... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) even without help of items...
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Apr 28 2018, 13:07
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Noni
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QUOTE(igs88 @ Apr 28 2018, 12:32)  So 2h is estoc+agile armor. If the shadowdancer is out of reach what kind of suffix i should choose as an alternative? That video was wow... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) but that used flower-flavoured gum? I missed it i guess.... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) I thought if i got like (maybe) 3-star or 5-star tier set of holy/dark mage, it would be "real godslayer" that undefeated... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) even without help of items... no, no gum or vase used. yes, if you are way more rich than I am (and I am not a poor HV player, just here for the moderation), then you could play with ease and speed.
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