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check the auctions, katanas even in the 90s range don't get bid that high

people even throw them to bazaar

people even throw them to bazaar

don't remember how much I paid for this, but I highly doubt more than 500k
auctions are weird sometimes, leg rapiers with 50% adb barely get bid on and now the demonic this week and the peerless from last week baffles me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Legendary Demonic Rapier of SlaughterIt's already 11m in auction. 86%adb, 14crit, the only high stats is parry...

Why? 86% adb is not high?

Why? 86% adb is not high?

In fact, not high at all...There are tons of rapier that has 90%+adb but fail to reach 2m only because they have low parry and they are not demonic or hallowed. Peerless demonic is different, for it has special value for collection.
In comparison, Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter this rapier got 10m only, which I believe is the best one I've seen. ADB 97%, Parry 81%, Attack Crit 99%, Penetrated Armor 25%, almost perfect stats. I'd be happy to buy this one for 10m, and keep it IW9, and use infusions.
86%, that 10% loss would make big differences after forging. It certainly worth 6m or so since it's demonic, but 11m is too much for this one....Uncle's hallowed rapier is also perfect, which I believe could easily reach 10~15m in auction.

This post has been edited by -vincento-: Apr 14 2018, 11:37

In fact, not high at all...There are tons of rapier that has 90%+adb but fail to reach 2m only because they have low parry and they are not demonic or hallowed. Peerless demonic is different, for it has special value for collection.
In comparison, Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter this rapier got 10m only, which I believe is the best one I've seen. ADB 97%, Parry 81%, Attack Crit 99%, Penetrated Armor 25%, almost perfect stats. I'd be happy to buy this one for 10m, and keep it IW9, and use infusions.
86%, that 10% loss would make big differences after forging. It certainly worth 6m or so since it's demonic, but 11m is too much for this one....Uncle's hallowed rapier is also perfect, which I believe could easily reach 10~15m in auction.

OK, now I know your High ADB means over 90%.

In fact, not high at all...There are tons of rapier that has 90%+adb but fail to reach 2m only because they have low parry and they are not demonic or hallowed. Peerless demonic is different, for it has special value for collection.
In comparison, Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter this rapier got 10m only, which I believe is the best one I've seen. ADB 97%, Parry 81%, Attack Crit 99%, Penetrated Armor 25%, almost perfect stats. I'd be happy to buy this one for 10m, and keep it IW9, and use infusions.
86%, that 10% loss would make big differences after forging. It certainly worth 6m or so since it's demonic, but 11m is too much for this one....Uncle's hallowed rapier is also perfect, which I believe could easily reach 10~15m in auction.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about, neither in terms of equipment nor in terms of players. Your judgement is based on things that make no sense in the first place: auctions. You're forgetting a lot of parameters in the equation, really.

Nothing against you, but you're miles away from understanding why things are the way they are, why players behave the way they do, and why the market (and its prices) is how it is. You've stepped in a field of things that is out of your current experience in the game and its players. Right now you're a bit too "young" to know what you're talking about, but no worries your time cill come. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

As for the actual reasons why the rapiers market is how it is, without getting into details I'd say that it's a matter of mixing in a melting pot many kinds of players:

• those who "just" need a rapier
• those who don't have millions to spend in them
• those who have been brainwashed to how great a rapier is and have absolutely no idea what they're doing
• those (like me) who do know what is the actual difference between a "low stat" equipment and a "high stat" one and who will buy only something that is quite affordable for them
• those who swim in an ocean of credits and who will throw them away for an equipment that is 0.01% better than the previous one

Of course, for every rapier that pops up in auctions, you cannot predict which of those players will find themselves in competition.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about, neither in terms of equipment nor in terms of players.

Keep it friendly, guys. I know you mean well.

Why? 86% adb is not high?

In fact, not high at all...

feel free to gift me the next 90-ish rapier you'll see.

In fact, not high at all...

feel free to gift me the next 90-ish rapier you'll see.

I also want to book one, lvl doesn't matter as long as ADB > 90% (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

In fact, not high at all...

feel free to gift me the next 90-ish rapier you'll see.

If people say 86% is low, I'm waiting for some 86% donation. I paid 7m for my holy one (74%)

If people say 86% is low, I'm waiting for some 86% donation. I paid 7m for my holy one (74%)

it's either 99.9% or nothing
btw, thanks for your monster slot table, just noticed I need only 8200 tokens more (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

don't remember how much I paid for this, but I highly doubt more than 500k

I hope not. Dat burden (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

In fact, not high at all...There are tons of rapier that has 90%+adb but fail to reach 2m only because they have low parry and they are not demonic or hallowed. Peerless demonic is different, for it has special value for collection.
In comparison, Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter this rapier got 10m only, which I believe is the best one I've seen. ADB 97%, Parry 81%, Attack Crit 99%, Penetrated Armor 25%, almost perfect stats. I'd be happy to buy this one for 10m, and keep it IW9, and use infusions.
86%, that 10% loss would make big differences after forging. It certainly worth 6m or so since it's demonic, but 11m is too much for this one....

All true, though the market and the people are partly to blame.

Agree with that particular ethereal rapier, it was the best DW rapier I've seen in a while. I already said I was surprised when its auction ended for such a price. (also considering some months ago someone bought a similar rapier but with 25% parry for 16+ millions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) )

On the later part. 86% is good.
But it's also true about the difference when you forge.
Sure, most people forge their rapiers to 100 anyway.
But the most optimal ADB to forge above 60/70, is a nearly perfect one.

Uncle's hallowed rapier is also perfect, which I believe could easily reach 10~15m in auction.

I think Uncle's is more in the 20m+ range, it is peerless without the peerless name, literally.

those who have been brainwashed to how great a rapier is

But it is.
Penetrated armor allows you to imperil the monsters by poking them with your stick without having to use a bindkey and skip turns in order to do that.

There are three types of play:
- fastest play
- smoothest play
- all the rest

Fastest play is mage. You are the fastest, but you have to watch out for your HP, and in some cases you need to set up your imperils at the start of every round.

Smoothest play is 1h, WITH A RAPIER. You just have to activate Spirit Stance at the first 50 OC, then activate regen and heartseeker when they expire, and hover. Full stop.


Everything else is everything else. Will it be 1h with another weapon (also...Axe > Club > Shortsword if your aim is clearspeed) just to challenge yourself to spam debuff every turn (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif), will it be any other melee style, will it be 1h mage. None of those are faster than mage, neither they are smoother than 1h rapier (EVEN IF YOU DON'T CURE). These styles are personal choices of players, can be good, can be bad, but they aren't the best in anything except their own niche, that is an unnecessary niche though. But still cool to have, for personal reasons or whatever other reason.

[*]those who have been brainwashed to how great a rapier is and have absolutely no idea what they're doing

Smoothest play is 1h, WITH A RAPIER. You just have to activate Spirit Stance at the first 50 OC, then activate regen and heartseeker when they expire, and hover. Full stop.
Everything else is everything else. Will it be 1h with another weapon (also...Axe > Club > Shortsword if your aim is clearspeed) just to challenge yourself to spam debuff every turn (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif), will it be any other melee style, will it be 1h mage. None of those are faster than mage, neither they are smoother than 1h rapier (EVEN IF YOU DON'T CURE). These styles are personal choices of players, can be good, can be bad, but they aren't the best in anything except their own niche, that is an unnecessary niche though. But still cool to have, for personal reasons or whatever other reason.

Before starting a new (but recurrent) discussion, I have the following opinion.

For high level players (maybe higher than 350), I think a rapier is the ideal weapon for 1H style. I will not go into detail because this has already been widely spoken and debated.

But for low level players, I believe in a very simple rule: any kind of weapon is useful as long as it is better than the one you have at the moment. I did so when I was low level. If someone is using an Average Rapier, he can trade for a Superior Club, an Exquisite Axe, and then a Magnificent Shortsword. Even because, it is practically unlikely that someone will make soulfuse on low-level (or non-definitive) equipment, and therefore will perform constant exchanges.

And unlike mages, the melee style is more flexible and with reasonably close and acceptable results.

But for low level players, I believe in a very simple rule: any kind of weapon is useful as long as it is better than the one you have at the moment. I did so when I was low level. If someone is using an Average Rapier, he can trade for a Superior Club, an Exquisite Axe, and then a Magnificent Shortsword.

True. But also not.
Or, well, probably lv 250 is already too high then.
That's the level I swapped my Magnificent Fiery Shortsword of Slaughter for a Superior Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter.
And the Rapier performance was leagues better than the Shortsword's.
The fact I did have only one Power piece could be to blame though.
But when I IW10 an Exquisite Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter I had almost full Mag Power (I was lv 270 or so), and at that point the Rapier was better anyway.

I'd say when you pass 200, Rapier is better than any other weapon UNLESS the other weapon is at least 2 qualities higher.
So: Average Rapier <= Exquisite Shortsword/Club/Axe < Superior Rapier <= Mag Shortsword/Club/Axe < Exquisite Rapier <= Leg Shortsword/Club/Axe < Mag+ Rapier
When you pass lv 300, just Rapier.


This, of course, for mindless play.
I'm not saying that using an Axe and spamming Imperil isn't legit.
It just isn't optimal.
It makes you focus more on the game to use additional actions to make it work.
That's it.

This post has been edited by Juggernaut Santa: Apr 15 2018, 00:32

True. But also not.

I fully understand this, and I fully agree with you, from the point of view of optimization of the gameplay.

I just added something that happened to me. Unfortunately I've never been lucky enough to get myself a rapier of slaughter, not even a low quality one. So I often changed the equipment until I got an Exquisite Axe of Slaughter with high ADB, which I used for a long time. And I just changed again when I got a Legendary Rapier of Balance shortly before reaching level 300. Who knows if other players are also as unlucky as me? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Thinking about it, I gave my opinion. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Well, basically the advice I would give to a novice player would be more or less a mix of what you usually write about it, with what decondelite says. I do not know if it makes the same sense in English (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) , but I would say the following proverb: not so much to heaven, nor so much to hell.

Unfortunately I've never been lucky enough to get myself a rapier of slaughter, not even a low quality one

Neither was I. I had to buy them both from bazaar (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
The exq one was lv 355 so I had to use quite a bunch of fragments to fuse it, since I was lv 270 (or 271? can't remember (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) )
The sup one was unassigned, someone dumped some obsolete trash and I happened to see it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

True. But also not.
Or, well, probably lv 250 is already too high then.
That's the level I swapped my Magnificent Fiery Shortsword of Slaughter for a Superior Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter.
And the Rapier performance was leagues better than the Shortsword's.
The fact I did have only one Power piece could be to blame though.
But when I IW10 an Exquisite Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter I had almost full Mag Power (I was lv 270 or so), and at that point the Rapier was better anyway.

I'd say when you pass 200, Rapier is better than any other weapon UNLESS the other weapon is at least 2 qualities higher.
So: Average Rapier <= Exquisite Shortsword/Club/Axe < Superior Rapier <= Mag Shortsword/Club/Axe < Exquisite Rapier <= Leg Shortsword/Club/Axe < Mag+ Rapier
When you pass lv 300, just Rapier.
This, of course, for mindless play.
I'm not saying that using an Axe and spamming Imperil isn't legit.
It just isn't optimal.
It makes you focus more on the game to use additional actions to make it work.
That's it.

iirc you were a low level player in a different version of HV. Bear in mind that the monster scaling has been adjusted, which may have made more melee styles feasible since you were a little ppp.

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This post has been edited by sickentide: Apr 15 2018, 20:20

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