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post Nov 11 2017, 18:36
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Nov 11 2017, 23:33) *

Gosh, another one.

No one touched the kite though.

I'll try to make a comparison.

Shd02: not endgame, more soul fragments for a low level, dmms to forge, 6m wasted when salvaging
Shd03: not endgame, less soul fragments for a low level, no dmms to forge, 50k wasted when salvaging
Boys, the shield to spend 4-7m on are 98-99% SDE at an high level...(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

I thought anything >90% with SDE was endgame already
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post Nov 11 2017, 18:58
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QUOTE(as013 @ Nov 11 2017, 17:36) *

I thought anything >90% with SDE was endgame already


It is. Jug Santa has a different definition of endgame.
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post Nov 11 2017, 19:00
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i wouldn't have paid 6M for it, but i'm a dirty cheapskate. also, STR and DEX are a bit weak but seems a solid shield to me.
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post Nov 11 2017, 19:00
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Nov 11 2017, 16:33) *

Gosh, another one.

No one touched the kite though.

I'll try to make a comparison.

Shd02: not endgame, more soul fragments for a low level, dmms to forge, 6m wasted when salvaging
Shd03: not endgame, less soul fragments for a low level, no dmms to forge, 50k wasted when salvaging
Boys, the shield to spend 4-7m on are 98-99% SDE at an high level...(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Dude? 91% block force shield with SDE not end game? I bet you only drink Crystal champagne too?
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post Nov 11 2017, 19:15
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He does what he wants with his credits you know.
I'm not going to dump 6m for any shield at all any time soon, not even for a SDE Peerless Force Shield.

When you have that much credits, you play mage, period.
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post Nov 11 2017, 19:16
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QUOTE(as013 @ Nov 11 2017, 17:36) *
I thought anything >90% with SDE was endgame already



QUOTE(DJNoni @ Nov 11 2017, 17:58) *
It is. Jug Santa has a different definition of endgame.



It is NOT.

End game is when you block is P or max 0.1% (at most) less at max level and 1h prof.

91% is 0.3% less, not endgame for sure.

If you think "0.3% is very small!"
1) it is not, when avoidance is high a small number added does a lot
2) if 0.3% is small then just go for 0.5 or 1...still small and you spend 10-50 times less

Having a non P but somewhat close to P shield at low level makes no sense.
Level scaling makes stats low and rolls almost insignificant.
And it's expensive as fuck. Just wait before tossing money.

It's the same as the power armor debate over again.
Lv 300...should I spend 1-3M for close to perfect power of protection? Nope, get some high roll wardings and save for slaughter.

Lv 310 mage...should I spend 3-5 times more to get endgame gear now? Nope, get some cheap phase (inb4 "starting mage" Cit. DJNoni) and wait to bid on lv 500 good phase.


QUOTE(DJNoni @ Nov 11 2017, 18:00) *
Dude? 91% block force shield with SDE not end game? I bet you only drink Crystal champagne too?

Never drank a single ml of alcohol in my life.

QUOTE(decondelite @ Nov 11 2017, 18:15) *

I'm not going to dump 6m for any shield at all any time soon, not even for a SDE Peerless Force Shield.

Right. But he did dump 6m for a not even close to Peerless SDE Force Shield
What is worse?

QUOTE(TakanashiRi @ Nov 11 2017, 17:33) *

so you think i overpay it?....

Yes. I paid 5.000.000 for a way better shield.

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post Nov 12 2017, 06:22
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But market is floating,there may not be any SDE force shield with blk>0.1% less than max on auction until he's level 450
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post Nov 12 2017, 06:24
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QUOTE(issary @ Nov 12 2017, 05:22) *

But market is floating,there may not be any SDE force shield with blk>0.1% less than max on auction until he's level 450

So 350 since soulfusion. But until 400 you don't really need it.

Also, I got my shield veery recently. And in that month 3 or 4 other similar shields popped up.
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post Nov 12 2017, 07:13
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Nov 12 2017, 04:24) *

So 350 since soulfusion. But until 400 you don't really need it.

Also, I got my shield veery recently. And in that month 3 or 4 other similar shields popped up.

i try to compared the shield i bid and the one in your signature with HV Chart
(IMG:[i.loli.net] https://i.loli.net/2017/11/12/5a07d6476e9ad.png)
why HV Chart show both of the shield have 91%Block chance?

but ...
Soulbound, Str Dex End, IW 10, forged 50, BLK 97%
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/124178707/f01459c82b

335, Str Dex End, BLK 91%
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/144366609/3f3da5f0c2

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post Nov 12 2017, 11:18
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/me raises hand.

Judging from hv chart's code, it uses a very simplified way to reverse-calculate base values - that is, the simple ln formula. Which slightly overestimates coefficients, thus slightly underestimates base values. This error raises with forge level. And with level scaling factor as well, if we want.

Equip comparison (and all comparison-based scripts like hv toolbox) uses a different algorithm, which should provide more accurate results.


Tl;dr: you're basically comparing pears with apples. Your shield of course has 91%, while juggy santa's is slightly higher than that.
Btw, this error is not that big and should be fixed in one of the next versions of toolbox, so not even the need to report it.


[Edit]: while we're at it, it wouldn't be a bad idea to drop this kind of annoying e-peenis contests.

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post Nov 12 2017, 11:41
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 12 2017, 10:18) *

[Edit]: while we're at it, it wouldn't be a bad idea to drop this kind of annoying e-peenis contests.

+1

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post Nov 12 2017, 17:40
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Noni almost got 500 level^^
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post Nov 12 2017, 17:44
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 12 2017, 16:40) *

Noni almost got 500 level^^

499.76 at the moment.

1 day? 2? Something like that.
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post Nov 12 2017, 17:46
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post Nov 12 2017, 18:02
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Nov 12 2017, 16:44) *

1 day? 2? Something like that.

what was your schedule?

QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Nov 12 2017, 16:46) *

._.

yes? is anything the matter? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

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post Nov 12 2017, 18:48
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Please refrain from going offtopic.

Here, we only whine about misery, discuss about true poorness, make charity, and give market advices to avoid poor people from becoming miserable.

For everything else there is the accomplishment thread.
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post Nov 12 2017, 18:55
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yes ヽ(`⌒´メ)ノ too much happy
more sad pls
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post Nov 12 2017, 19:01
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post Nov 12 2017, 19:21
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Right. Now Im sad, because of my poor judgement of this thread.
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post Nov 13 2017, 14:01
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Now Im sad

welcom back ヽ(*・ω・)ノ


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